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Hominid (Hominid)
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I just realized that I had a passive scrund about New Zealand. I had to have a certain amount of knowledge in the beginning to even have it.
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Perhaps you thought the silver fern was a kiwi feather?
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Kiwis involved? Kiwi fruit? Kiwi birds? Australia involved? Lord of the Rings? Did you think New Zealand was really Middle Earth? *grin*
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Perhaps you thought the silver fern was a kiwi feather?

Kiwis involved? Kiwi fruit? Kiwi birds? Australia involved? Lord of the Rings? Did you think New Zealand was really Middle Earth? *grin*

No to all, I'm afraid.
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Is it related to a specific city in NZ? Is the abbreviation NZ relevant? The word "New"? Did you think there was an "Old Zealand"? Is the scrund about a certain activity related to New Zealand? The climate? Political state?
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There isn't an Old Zealand?
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Zeeland is part of the Netherlands.

Is it related to the history of NZ? The natural history of NZ? The people? Animals? Plants? Other countries?
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Thanks Jenburdoo! I learned something new :-D
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yes to animals, no to rest.
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Was it about what animals were native to New Zealand? Not native? Wild? Domesticated? Land animals? Sea animals?
Mammals?
Birds?
Fish?
Reptiles?
Insects?
Amphibians?
Did I forget anything?
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Animal: A specific species? Domesticated? Invertebrate? Mammal, bird, reptile, amphibian, fish?
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Was it about what animals were native to New Zealand? this. Not native? Wild? and this. Domesticated? Land animals? and this. Sea animals?
Mammals? and this.
Birds?
Fish?
Reptiles?
Insects?
Amphibians?
Did I forget anything? yes, but nothing important to the puzzle.
Animal: A specific species? noish. Domesticated? Invertebrate? Mammal, bird, reptile, amphibian, fish? see my responses to Kaylee.
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Did you think there were kangaroos in New Zealand? Koalas?
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A general type or class of animals?
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Did you think there were kangaroos in New Zealand? Koalas? no to both, but good guesses. I have encountered people with these scrunds. (Actually, there are kangaroos in New Zealand unfortunately, but they are introduced.)
A general type or class of animals? Well, mammals are a class. The scrund was about a certain attribute of certain mammals.
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Giving birth relevant? Lactation?
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New Zealand is full of sheep. Did you think sheep were native to New Zealand?

Were they marsupials? or placental mammals?

The certain mammals: could they be considered a species? genus? family? order? some other commonly recognized group of similar species?
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Giving birth relevant? Lactation? no to both.

New Zealand is full of sheep. Did you think sheep were native to New Zealand? no.

Were they marsupials? or placental mammals? this.

The certain mammals: could they be considered a species? genus? family? order? some other commonly recognized group of similar species? Mammals native to New Zealand would be more like it.
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They're not humans, are they? (just checking)...
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They're not humans, are they? (just checking)...no, but I would definitely consider humans animals/mammals in puzzles. Good thinking.
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Thanks, Hominid! *blushes* I thought marsupials were native to New Zealand, too, so you may count me among those scrunded. *is still pondering what's going on* Hmm...monotremes relevant?
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Thanks, Hominid! *blushes* I thought marsupials were native to New Zealand, too, so you may count me among those scrunded. *is still pondering what's going on* Hmm...monotremes relevant? nope.
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Are the certain mammals also native to other countries/continents?
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Are the certain mammals also native to other countries/continents? The scrund is about mammals native to New Zealand in general, most of which are native to other places.
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Is a specific order of mammals relevant? Family? Genus? Species?
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So no specific type of mammal is involved, just ones native to New Zealand?

Is the scrund that these species evolved there, when they were actually introduced by humans?
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Is a specific order of mammals relevant? Family? Genus? Species? this.

So no specific type of mammal is involved, just ones native to New Zealand? A specific species is involved, but the scrund is about native NZ mammals in general.

Is the scrund that these species evolved there, when they were actually introduced by humans? no.
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Was the scrund that a specific species was native to NZ? Wasn't? But it actually was? Wasn't?
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Was the scrund that a specific species was native to NZ? Wasn't? But it actually was? Wasn't? no to all.
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Is the scrund that the specific species was part of a specific group of mammals?
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Is the scrund that the specific species was part of a specific group of mammals? no. To have the scrund, one needn't have any knowledge of this species.
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Is the scrund about where the species is located in NZ? Mainland? Coast?
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Is the scrund about where the species is located in NZ? Mainland? Coast? no. THE SCRUND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY SPECIFIC SPECIES.
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So the scrund is about mammals in New Zealand in general, correct? Is it the amount of species native to NZ? Are there many? Few? One?
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So the scrund is about mammals in New Zealand in general, correct? Is it the amount of species native to NZ? no. Are there many? Few? this. One?
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Is some characteristic of NZ mammals relevant?
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Is the isolation of NZ relevant?
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Is some characteristic of NZ mammals relevant? YES!
Is the isolation of NZ relevant? only indirectly.
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Fur relevant? Limbs? Feet? The number of something?
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Fur relevant? Limbs? Feet? The number of something? no, with a slight "ish" to limbs.
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Hands? Fingers? Arms? Legs?
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tails?
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Wings? Flippers?
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Hands? Fingers? Arms? Legs? tails? Wings? Flippers?
not any specific limbs, but what can be done with limbs.
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Walking?
Running?
Swinging?
Sliding?
Swimming?
Bouncing?
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Walking? this, generally. Basically any movement on the ground.
Running?
Swinging?
Sliding?
Swimming?
Bouncing?
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That NZ mammals can walk? Cannot?
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Is this about NZ native bats?
And the way they walk?
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That NZ mammals can walk? Cannot? this...ish. You're definitely getting warmer.

Is this about NZ native bats? they are relevant.
And the way they walk? yope.
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Can walk on two legs? Four legs? Cannot walk on two legs? Four legs?
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Can walk on two legs? Four legs? Cannot walk on two legs? Four legs? no to all. The "cannots" are OTRT.
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Was the scrund that NZ mammals cannot do something? That they actually can do?
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Was the scrund that NZ mammals cannot do something? That they actually can do? not quite.
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That they can/cannot do something...under certain conditions? Alone?
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That they can/cannot do something...under certain conditions? Alone? no. The "not" part of cannot was OTRT; the "can" wasn't OTRT.
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That they will not do something?
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That they will not do something? no....
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That they MIGHT not do something?
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That they MIGHT not do something? no.
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All right, I'm officially scrambled.

Recap please?
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All right, I'm officially scrambled.

Recap please?

Okay. Here's a hint: it's something they simply DO not do.
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Hunting relevant? Their food?
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Hunting relevant? Their food? no, but you're asking the right kind of questions.
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Is eating relevant? Drinking? Do they not eat? Not drink water?
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Is eating relevant? Drinking? Do they not eat? Not drink water? food/drink not relevant.
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Their habitat relevant? Do they build homes? Did you think they did?
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Is it something they could do if they wanted to? Do they simply not have the opportunity?
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Their habitat relevant? yesish. Do they build homes? Did you think they did? both irr.

Is it something they could do if they wanted to? Do they simply not have the opportunity? remember, some of them actually do this thing, but I mistakenly thought that none did.
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Swim?
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...if not that, fly?
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Did you think they didn't have the opportunity? Are any other species relevant (for example, plants that they might use)?
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Swim? no.

...if not that, fly? no.

Did you think they didn't have the opportunity? no. Are any other species relevant (for example, plants that they might use)? no.

You're getting closer! You've figured out everything except what the action is.
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Climbing trees? Digging in the ground? Using tools?
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Climbing trees? Digging in the ground? Using tools? no to all.
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Relevant animal activity: eating? Drinking? Relieving themselves? Sleeping? Hunting? Fighting? Killing? Mating? Caring for young? Migrating? Dying? Making noise? Interacting with humans? With manmade objects?
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Relevant animal activity: eating? Drinking? Relieving themselves? Sleeping? Hunting? may be involved in this. Fighting? Killing? Mating? Caring for young? Migrating? not this, but close. Dying? Making noise? Interacting with humans? With manmade objects?
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Travelling long distances? To find food?
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Travelling long distances? no, but still close. To find food? no.
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Did you think no animals from NZ could fly?
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Did you think no animals from NZ could fly?
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Migrating?

Welcome to the forum, Prystege!
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Were they carried?
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Did you think no animals from NZ could fly? No, but close. And remember, this is about mammals, not animals in general.

Migrating? No.

Were they carried? if you mean introduced by humans, no. This is about native mammals. I was always aware that plenty of introduced mammals in NZ did the action in question.
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Bats relevant?
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Bats relevant? yesish. Especially relevant to what makes the scrund false.
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You thought "There are no mammals 'native' to NZ because mammals do not fly and all NZ animals arrived via flying?"

Except, there is a NZ mammal, a bat.

Bats fly. It got there by flying, long ago. It is the only mammal 'native' to NZ and therefore did not need to continue to fly once in NZ in order to avoid predators.
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You thought "There are no mammals 'native' to NZ because mammals do not fly and all NZ animals arrived via flying?"

Except, there is a NZ mammal, a bat.

Bats fly. It got there by flying, long ago. It is the only mammal 'native' to NZ and therefore did not need to continue to fly once in NZ in order to avoid predators.

All that's true, and very OTRT.
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Did you think there was more than one mammal native to NZ? That there were none?
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Why does I suspect spam...and not the Monty Python kind...
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Hmmm, is that a first on this forum? Cause I smell a spammer as well...
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Not a first, sadly, but it's usually easy to catch quickly and deal with, given the fact that legitimate posts here generally look very similar to each other...
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No not a first time i'm afraid. I have taken the liberty of deleting the offending post and will e-mail the poster asking them to desist from spamming .

If there's any reocurrance I can block the user but would ask Admin's permission before doing so.
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Did you think there was more than one mammal native to NZ? That there were none? There are actually many mammals native to NZ if you count marine mammals, and I was well aware of this. The only mammal relevant to the puzzle, however, is the New Zealand lesser short-tailed bat. Sapir was extremely close, but not quite close enough.
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Did it not fly there, but get blown there?
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Did it not fly there, but get blown there? irrelevant, but sort of OTRT.
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Did you think bats were only relevant to NZ? That this particular bat was? Wasn't?
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it hunts oon the ground? so it doesn't need to fly to get food?

did they float to NZ? or get stranded there following a flood or something?
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Did you think bats were only relevant to NZ? That this particular bat was? Wasn't? no.

it hunts oon the ground? so it doesn't need to fly to get food? That is true. Now play with that idea and you'll get the answer.

did they float to NZ? or get stranded there following a flood or something? irrelevant.
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so did you think the bats can no longer fly?
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so did you think the bats can no longer fly? no. Very OTRT.
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Bats in NZ are like sugar gliders or something along these terms. They climb trees and swoop on grasshoppers.
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Did you think that there's no mammal in NZ that can fly? Or that all mammals in NZ could fly?

Sorry to bump in so late. I hope I didn't miss an earlier answer to these questions
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Bats in NZ are like sugar gliders or something along these terms. They climb trees and swoop on grasshoppers. I'm not answering this, as it's not phrased as a question.

Did you think that there's no mammal in NZ that can fly? no. Or that all mammals in NZ could fly? close, but still no.

Sorry to bump in so late. No problem! I hope I didn't miss an earlier answer to these questions That's fine.
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Anything to do with sugar gliders? Insects? Climbing? Did you think that all NZ bats, or some bats, cannot fly? Or are extinct?
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did you think that all bats but the New Zealand lesser short-tailed bat could fly? or that only the New Zealand lesser short-tailed bat could fly?
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you thought bats couldn't smell things?
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you thought bats couldn't smell things?
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No to all. My scrund was about NZ mammals in general, but it is the NZ lesser short-tailed bat that makes my scrund not true.
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You thought all mammals native to NZ were marine, but the lesser short-tailed bat proves the contrary.
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You thought there were no native NZ mammals?
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You thought all mammals native to NZ were marine, but the lesser short-tailed bat proves the contrary. no. EXTREMELY CLOSE, though. HINT: I already knew of this bat's existence when I had the scrund, but there was something about it that I didn't know.

You thought there were no native NZ mammals? no.
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Is the scrund related to the bat's eating habits? To the fact that it hibernates?
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Did you think that all the native mammals were marine?

did you think that the lesser short-tailed bat could not fly? did you think they had arrived there by swimming? did they actually arrive some other way? were they true natives?

sorry to go back to basics but I think we're getting a bit confused
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Is the scrund related to the bat's eating habits? To the fact that it hibernates? nope.

did you think that the lesser short-tailed bat could not fly? no. did you think they had arrived there by swimming? no. did they actually arrive some other way? irr. were they true natives? yes.

sorry to go back to basics but I think we're getting a bit confused that's fine.
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You thought no native NZ mammals could fly?
Or you thought that no native NZ had ever flown?
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Did you think that there were no native animals of NZ that were able to fly (or had wings)?
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Sorry, i meant to write native 'mammals' in that last post. So, did you think no native mammals of NZ could fly?
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You thought no native NZ mammals could fly?
Or you thought that no native NZ had ever flown?
Did you think that there were no native animals of NZ that were able to fly (or had wings)? Sorry, i meant to write native 'mammals' in that last post. So, did you think no native mammals of NZ could fly? no to all.
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The bats are true natives.
Did you know they were?
Did you think they were not?

The thing you did not know about the bats:
How long they had been in NZ?
Their closest relevative outside of NZ?
How they got to NZ?
That they were different than other bats?
That they did not fly?
That they did not fly to NZ?
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The bats are true natives.
Did you know they were? yes.
Did you think they were not? no.

The thing you did not know about the bats:
How long they had been in NZ?
Their closest relevative outside of NZ?
How they got to NZ?
That they were different than other bats? THIS. Excellent question. No to rest.
That they did not fly? I think they actually do fly, but it wouldn't affect the puzzle either way.
That they did not fly to NZ?
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was the thing that you did not know that they feed on the ground?

or did you know that they fed on the ground? and thought that they could not fly? or their diet was different?
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was the thing that you did not know that they feed on the ground? close enough.

or did you know that they fed on the ground? and thought that they could not fly? or their diet was different?

***************SPOILER*************************
I thought that since all native New Zealand mammals were either this bat or marine mammals, then no mammals in New Zealand spend their time on the ground. However, when I read up on this bat, I found out I was wrong.

Good work, everyone. Sorry this was so confusing to some.
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yay! good puzzle - I think we were all being a bit dim
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AH ha! Very good. That certainly kept us guessing. And I agree with Shez - we were all being a bit dense.

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