| Author | Message | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1202 Registered: 8-2001 |
Stupid or less than prepared criminals are common fodder for puzzles around here – and with good reason! Tales of poorly planned and shoddily executed crime are entertaining and a good lateral thinking workout as there are endlessly novel ways for folks to be dumb. However, this isn’t one of those puzzles… Leo had thought through every step of his crime. In fact, he was caught because of his thoughtfulness. | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1104 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he leave evidence in the process of planning the crime? If so: Material one, like notes? Or only data, like logfiles and library records? Was he caught before actually committing the crime? While committing it? After committing it but while securing the advantage he got out of it (e.g. while selling the haul)? Even later? What crime(s): Murder? Robbery? Theft? Embezzlement? Fraud? Arson? Assault? Doing damage to property? Treason? Bribery? Smuggle? Tax evasion? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1207 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did he leave evidence in the process of planning the crime? No If so: Material one, like notes? No Or only data, like logfiles and library records? No Was he caught before actually committing the crime? No While committing it? Yes After committing it but while securing the advantage he got out of it (e.g. while selling the haul)? Even later? No to these What crime(s): Theft with a side order of B&E | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 13959 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he call ahead his crime in advance ("Hello, P&C Bank, I'm going to rob you in 20 minutes, have the 10s and 20s ready")? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1489 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he want to be caught? (To cover another major crime, for instance, or to obtain an alibi) | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 887 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he plan for something which didn't happen and then gave him away? did he break into a house? shop? factory? was the building empty when he broke in? was he discovered by the police? a passer-by? the occupants of the building? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1210 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin Did he call ahead his crime in advance ("Hello, P&C Bank, I'm going to rob you in 20 minutes, have the 10s and 20s ready")? No, but very entertaining thought! Rbruma Did he want to be caught? No (To cover another major crime, for instance, or to obtain an alibi) Nope Shez did he plan for something which didn't happen and then gave him away? No, but OTRT did he break into a house? No shop? Yes, shop/cafe factory? No was the building empty when he broke in? NO was he discovered by the police? No a passer-by? No the occupants of the building? No | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1492 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the one / ones who discovered him humans? Animals? Security devices? (Like motion sensors, etc) Is this a true story? Relevant when this happened? (Like year? Or like: time of day?) Relevant the location of the cafe? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1213 Registered: 8-2001 |
Was the one / ones who discovered him humans? One human Animals? No Security devices? (Like motion sensors, etc) No Is this a true story? Yes Relevant when this happened? (Like year? No Or like: time of day? A little...It was night. Relevant the location of the cafe? No, general suburban area. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 892 Registered: 2-2011 |
was he discovered by a security guard? the owner of the shop/cafe? a customer? someone who had come to this building for a specific purpose? did he switch on a light? answer a phone? did he plan for something which he thought would happen, and it did happen? did it happen at the wrong time? or in an unexpected way? did he break in through a window? a door? was there a burglar alarm? did the plan involve a disguise? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1220 Registered: 8-2001 |
was he discovered by a security guard? No the owner of the shop/cafe? Yes a customer? No someone who had come to this building for a specific purpose? No did he switch on a light? No answer a phone? No HOW he was discovered is not terribly relevant. He made too much noise; the owner heard him. did he plan for something which he thought would happen, and it did happen? Yes... did it happen at the wrong time? In a way or in an unexpected way? Also, in a way did he break in through a window? a door? Door. was there a burglar alarm? Irrelevant did the plan involve a disguise? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 897 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the thing he planned for that the owner would be away? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1223 Registered: 8-2001 |
was the thing he planned for that the owner would be away? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 901 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the amount of noise relevant? did he make a lot of noise as a result of his meticulous planning? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1329 Registered: 9-2010 |
Did he take copious notes of his plan, then leave said copious notes at the crime scene by mistake? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1228 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez is the amount of noise relevant? No-ish did he make a lot of noise as a result of his meticulous planning? The noise that alerted the owner? No. Gregoryuconn Did he take copious notes of his plan, No then leave said copious notes at the crime scene by mistake? No | ||
| Arek_fu (Arek_fu)
New member Username: Arek_fu Post Number: 801 Registered: 12-2007 |
Was he aware of the noise that he made? Did he expect the owner not to hear his noise? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1230 Registered: 8-2001 |
Was he aware of the noise that he made?Yes Did he expect the owner not to hear his noise? Yes | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 752 Registered: 6-2003 |
Title relevant? Did he stumble over a garbage can? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1119 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did he expect the owner to be absent? Distracted? Deaf? Dead? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1237 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sundowner Title relevant? In a general way Did he stumble over a garbage can? No, though that would have been clever of me. Markobr Did he expect the owner to be absent? Yes Distracted? Deaf? Dead? None of these HINT: Repeating what I said on 05/25 "HOW he was discovered is not terribly relevant. He made too much noise; the owner heard him." The owner "discovered" he was in the building, but this is NOT the "caught" used in the title. He was caught by the police...why? | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1122 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did the owner, hearing the noise, think it was a burglar? Did the owner call the police? Did the burglar, before commiting his crime, contact the owner? Contact the police? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 823 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he leave evidence on the crime scene? Did he leave any personal item behind, which helped to identify him? Was he seen by anybody while committing a crime? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1244 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr Did the owner, hearing the noise, think it was a burglar? Yes Did the owner call the police? Yes...but there is a key event between these two questions missing. Did the burglar, before commiting his crime, contact the owner? No Contact the police? Before? No. Redwine Did he leave evidence on the crime scene? No Did he leave any personal item behind, which helped to identify him? no Was he seen by anybody while committing a crime? I don't know if seen, but the owner was there at the time so... | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1132 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did the burglar try to leave before the police arrived? When the police arrived? Did the owner do anything relevant between hearing the noise and calling the police? Did the burglar contact the police during his crime (as opposed to the normal case of the police "contacting" the criminal)? If so: Intentionally? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3233 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was the shop/cafe open for business when the burglar entered the building? Or was this after business hours? Is it relevant what the owner was doing in the shop/cafe at the time the other man entered? Is this particular shop/cafe a stand alone building? Or is this a business which occupies a portion of a larger building? Did the burglar bring any tools along? A phone? Another electronic device? Any other type(s) of object(s)? So...owner hears the noise, does something, then calls the police - right? Did the owner investigate the source of the noise before calling police? Was he investigating it as he was calling police? Did the burglar, at any time, activate an audible or silent alarm? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1249 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr Did the burglar try to leave before the police arrived? Yes and... When the police arrived? No Did the owner do anything relevant between hearing the noise and calling the police? YES! Did the burglar contact the police during his crime (as opposed to the normal case of the police "contacting" the criminal)? In a way If so: Intentionally? Irrelevant Ixoye724 Was the shop/cafe open for business when the burglar entered the building? No Or was this after business hours? And thus yes Is it relevant what the owner was doing in the shop/cafe at the time the other man entered? No. But as it happens, he was asleep. Is this particular shop/cafe a stand alone building? Or is this a business which occupies a portion of a larger building? Irrelevant Did the burglar bring any tools along? A phone? Another electronic device? Any other type(s) of object(s)? Irrelevant So...owner hears the noise, does something, then calls the police - right? Correct Did the owner investigate the source of the noise before calling police? Yes Was he investigating it as he was calling police? No Did the burglar, at any time, activate an audible or silent alarm? Irrelevant | ||
| Markobr (Markobr)
New member Username: Markobr Post Number: 1134 Registered: 5-2009 |
Did the owner do something which prevented the burglar from leaving? Something to be sure it's a burglar who is making the noise? Did the burglar leave before being caught by the police? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3234 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was the burglar inside the shop when police arrived? Outside, but still near the building? Outside, and not near the building? Was the burglary successful? In other words, did the burglar steal what he intended to steal? Was the motive of the burglary to take money? Merchandise? Something else? Possible longshot - did the burglar attempt to impersonate the owner when the police arrived, and make it look as if the actual owner was the one who had attempted the burglary (this would take some thinking ahead of time)? Is it relevant where the owner was sleeping? In a bed? On the floor? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1271 Registered: 8-2001 |
Markobr Did the owner do something which prevented the burglar from leaving? YES! Something to be sure it's a burglar who is making the noise? No Did the burglar leave before being caught by the police? No Ixoye724 Was the burglar inside the shop when police arrived? No Outside, but still near the building? Yes Outside, and not near the building? No Was the burglary successful? No In other words, did the burglar steal what he intended to steal? No Was the motive of the burglary to take money? Merchandise? Something else? Not Relevant Possible longshot - did the burglar attempt to impersonate the owner when the police arrived, and make it look as if the actual owner was the one who had attempted the burglary (this would take some thinking ahead of time)? No Is it relevant where the owner was sleeping? In a bed? On the floor? Not relevant | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 931 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the burglar intend to leave by car? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1274 Registered: 8-2001 |
did the burglar intend to leave by car? Yes! | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3236 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did the burglar intend to leave by his own car? Or by another car? By the same car he used to get to the store? Or did he not arrive at the shop by car? When police arrived, was the burglar inside a car? In the act of getting into a car? Getting out of a car? Driving a car? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1278 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did the burglar intend to leave by his own car? Yes Or by another car? No By the same car he used to get to the store? Yes, his own. Or did he not arrive at the shop by car? No, he did. When police arrived, was the burglar inside a car? No In the act of getting into a car? No Getting out of a car? No Driving a car? No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 937 Registered: 2-2011 |
did his careful planning involve leaving his car in a particular spot? with the engine running? had his tax disc expired? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3237 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is it relevant to know what the burglar was doing when police arrived? Was he readily identifiable as the burglar? Or did the owner have to identify him to police? Was anyone else present at the crime scene besides the burglar and the owner? Had the burglar locked his car with the keys inside it? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1289 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez did his careful planning involve leaving his car in a particular spot? No with the engine running? YES! had his tax disc expired? No Ixoye724 Is it relevant to know what the burglar was doing when police arrived? Not really Was he readily identifiable as the burglar? Perhaps not Or did the owner have to identify him to police? Perhaps Was anyone else present at the crime scene besides the burglar and the owner? No Had the burglar locked his car with the keys inside it? No I think we have nearly all the pieces here...Anyone care to put them together? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3238 Registered: 1-2001 |
Preferably someone else, I'm hitting dead ends... Did the car run out of gas during the robbery? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 773 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did the owner take out the car key? and after the thief had entered the car he locked the car doors? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 839 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did the owner drive away in burglar's car? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 941 Registered: 2-2011 |
did someone else steal his car? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1299 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ixoye724 Preferably someone else, I'm hitting dead ends... I know that feeling. Did the car run out of gas during the robbery? No Sundowner Did the owner take out the car key? No and after the thief had entered the car he locked the car doors? No, but this would have been clever. Redwine Did the owner drive away in burglar's car? YES!! Shez did someone else steal his car? Yep, see above You-know-what coming right up! | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1300 Registered: 8-2001 |
****** SPOILER ****** Leo thought he had every detail covered in his planned break-in to a café in a suburb of Tampa, FL. However, he didn’t count on the owner being there or being so quick thinking. Hearing noises, the owner awoke, became aware Leo was in his café, and headed out the back door – where he found Leo’s getaway car, with the engine running. The owner got in Leo’s car and drove away, calling the police on his cell phone. Leo came out to find his car gone and the police arriving, who he was initially happy to see. The owner returned to his café once police arrived and Leo tried to get the police to arrest the owner for stealing his car. However, the police weren’t having any of it and took Leo away instead. Thanks to all who played! Hopefully it was fun and 100 points to Redwine for the final solve. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 945 Registered: 2-2011 |
excellent puzzle! thanks | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3241 Registered: 1-2001 |
Ha, I thought perhaps the owner would have done that but then thought, "That's too obvious, it must be something else." Great puzzle. |
