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Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Sometimes we feel that it might be better this way
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"We" = humans? adults? teenagers? children? males? females?

is "we": 2? a number between 3 and 10? between 10 and 50? 50-100? 100-1000? greater?

True story? FYOI? FSEI?

are "we" expressing this sentiment to other relevant people?

"it": a situation? a thing?
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"We" = humans? Yes adults? Mainly this teenagers? This is also possible, but less likely children? No males? females? Gender irrelevant

is "we": 2? a number between 3 and 10? between 10 and 50? 50-100? 100-1000? greater? This

True story? Hmm.. Yope FYOI? FSEI?

are "we" expressing this sentiment to other relevant people? Yes

"it": a situation? This one a thing? No
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"we" = between a thousand and ten thousand? ten thousand to fifty thousand? fifty thousand to a million? more?

"we" = all residents of the same country? Romania? Another European country? is a country in Asia relevant? North America? South America? Africa? Australia? Oceania?
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"we" = between a thousand and ten thousand? ten thousand to fifty thousand? fifty thousand to a million? more? The phrase in the title is a subjective opinion, so the exact number is unknown and irrelevant anyway

"we" = all residents of the same country? Romania? Another European country? is a country in Asia relevant? North America? South America? Africa? Australia? Oceania? The location is not relevant
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Are "we" having two of "these"?

"These":
parts of anatomy?
relations?

Is it about winning:
benefits?
honors?
titles?
money?
access to something?

In a:
random drawing?
physical competition?
mental competition?
refereed selection?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Are "we" having two of "these"? The title is only vaguely relevant

"These":
parts of anatomy?
relations? No to both

Is it about winning:
benefits?
honors?
titles?
money?
access to something?
FA
In a:
random drawing?
physical competition?
mental competition?
refereed selection?

No to the rest
Redwine (Redwine)
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We - the members of certain organisation? People sharing common beliefs? religion? political views? hobby? physical features?

Was "it" organised (performed/whatever can be done with it)some way in past and it is organised better now?
If so, [LTPF list of centuries and decades] for when it changed.

Is "it" organised some way now but we think it may be done better?

Is "it" organised some way now and we think it is organised well but there are some circumstances, under which other way would be better?
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We - the members of certain organisation? No
People sharing common beliefs? In a sense religion? No religion involved political views? YES, politics is all that matters in this puzzle hobby? physical features? No to the rest

To clarify: "We" are people sharing some views on politics as a whole.

Was "it" organised (performed/whatever can be done with it)some way in past and it is organised better now? "We" think the opposite, but in a humorous way

If so, [LTPF list of centuries and decades] for when it changed. It never really changed at some point in history

Is "it" organised some way now but we think it may be done better? Yes, but again in a humorous way

Is "it" organised some way now and we think it is organised well but there are some circumstances, under which other way would be better? Noish
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Two-party system relevant? Do you and your friends despise it? If so, I share your disgust
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Two-party system relevant? No Do you and your friends despise it? Yes, and a lot of others If so, I share your disgust Feel free to join the club
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Short RECAP:

Sometimes we feel that it might be better this way

Established: Politics is relevant.

To do: What "this way" means.

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Is two of anything relevant?
The number two?

Elections relevant?
National politics?
International?
State?
Local?

Schools of political thought in general?

Are "we" part of the US?
UK?
Other relevant country?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Is two of anything relevant? The title gives a hint to the solution
The number two? The number in itself no, but two of something

Elections relevant?
National politics?
International?
State?
Local?

Schools of political thought in general?
Politics in general, as perceived by "we"
Are "we" part of the US? Possibly
UK? Ditto
Other relevant country? It can be any country. "We" are simple citizens that look in the political arena and feel that it might be better in another way
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Are social issues relevant?
Freedoms and rights?
Administration?

Montesquieu division of powers relevant?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Are social issues relevant?
Freedoms and rights?
Administration?
No to all
Montesquieu division of powers relevant? Not at all

HINT: This puzzle came out from what some of us perceive as incompetent policy making. No theory of politics is necessary or relevant. We have to go a bit in a lateral way :-)

The title can help a little bit also

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Two:
Two politicians?
Two presidential candidates?
Two sections of the law? Sections that contradict each other?
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Two:
Two politicians?
Two presidential candidates?
Two sections of the law? Sections that contradict each other?
No to all. The title might be helpful, but in a lateral way
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Do "we" think that some issue was solved better in past? If so, please [LTPF list of centuries] for when in past?

Is law relevant? If so: public law? criminal law? civil law? family law? international law?

Was the opinion of "us" ever publicly expressed?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Do "we" think that some issue was solved better in past? YES! -- good question If so, please [LTPF list of centuries] for when in past? First century AD

Is law relevant? If so: public law? criminal law? civil law? family law? international law? Not relevant

Was the opinion of "us" ever publicly expressed? No, or at least not directly, as far as I know
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Are biblical stories relevant?
Was the issue solved better in the Bible? In Roman Empire? Outside Europe?
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Are biblical stories relevant? No
Was the issue solved better in the Bible? No In Roman Empire? YES! Outside Europe? No, in Rome
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So... first century AD...
Times of early Caesars are relevant, right?
Roman Republic is not relevant, correct?
Is the relevant issue:
electing politicians?
paying politicians?
taxes?
transparency?
conditions to fulfill to become a politician?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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So... first century AD...
Times of early Caesars are relevant, right? Yes
Roman Republic is not relevant, correct? Yes
Is the relevant issue:
electing politicians? Yes!
paying politicians? No
taxes? No
transparency? No
conditions to fulfill to become a politician? Yes!
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Consul Incitatus relevant?
Is the idea that sometimes it's better to have a .. as consul than a .. as .. ?
Rbruma (Rbruma)
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Consul Incitatus relevant? Well, I guess we have a winner as wel, thrice in a row
Is the idea that sometimes it's better to have a .. as consul than a .. as .. ?

*** SPOILER ***

While we were having a small talk a few days ago, concerning polititics and politicians, together with some friends we decided that Incitatus -- the famous horse of Caligula, made a senator and a consul -- might be a better version that our elected officials.

The hint in the title -- with two of these you cannot win -- was a reference to the the fact that, normally, with two knights and a king versus a king, you cannot force a checkmate.

Thanks to Jens for the solve and to the rest who participated.
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.. and I was thinking the title refers to the two consuls in the Roman Empire, so I was thinking immediately of the story of the horse as a consul.

Great puzzle. And yes, you're completely right. A horse has at least no pockets to fill.

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