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Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 7:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I had a peculiar childhood scrund about airplanes & have since learned that many other children had it, too. It is NOT about such obvious things as what holds the plane up or whether air travel is more dangerous than ground travel.What is it?
Dbw (Dbw)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you get this scrund by looking at planes on the ground? Pictures of planes? Reading about planes in books? Flying on planes? Seeing planes overhead? Having a family member fly on planes?

Is it about planes in particular and not air travel in general? Does it apply to all planes equally?

Does it apply to Cessnas? 747s? Harrier jets? B-52s? Stealth bombers? Biplanes? Ultralights? The Wright Flyer? The Spirit of St. Louis?

Does it apply to hot air balloons? Hang gliders? Helicopters? Saturn V rockets? Cruise missiles? Predator drones?
Yatin509 (Yatin509)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 7:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it related to something inside the plane ? outside?

Is it about that they believe that the airplane is very small since far off object looks small?

They believe that it's a bird?
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 9:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Plane fuel relevant?
Pilots relevant?
Sectioning of the inside of a plane relevant?
Plane wheels relevant?
Jet engines relevant?
Plane crashs relevant?
Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 4:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I had the illogical fear that if I watched a plane flying overhead, I might somehow cause it to explode or crash. The author Don DeLillo has a character thinking this, too, so I know it was not only me.
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 5:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dbw (Dbw)
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Did you get this scrund by looking at planes on the ground? Pictures of planes? Reading about planes in books? Flying on planes? Seeing planes overhead? Having a family member fly on planes? no to all

Is it about planes in particular and not air travel in general? yesDoes it apply to all planes equally? yes

Does it apply to Cessnas? 747s? Harrier jets? B-52s? Stealth bombers? Biplanes? Ultralights? The Wright Flyer? The Spirit of St. Louis? yes to all

Does it apply to hot air balloons? no Hang gliders? I never heard of hang gliders as a child Helicopters? yesSaturn V rockets? I don't know what they areCruise missiles? yes Predator drones? yes
Yatin509 (Yatin509)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 7:51 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Is it related to something inside the plane ? no outside? yes

Is it about that they believe that the airplane is very small since far off object looks small? no

They believe that it's a bird? no
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Friday, July 01, 2011 - 9:03 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Plane fuel relevant? no
Pilots relevant? no
Sectioning of the inside of a plane relevant? no
Plane wheels relevant? no
Jet engines relevant? no
Plane crashs relevant? yes
Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
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Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2011 - 4:29 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
I had the illogical fear that if I watched a plane flying overhead, I might somehow cause it to explode or crash. The author Don DeLillo has a character thinking this, too, so I know it was not only me. That's not it
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The relevant phase of the plane crash:
Before the plane falls?
While the plane falls?
During the crash?
After the crash?

You said that the outside of the plane is relevant, so the scrund doesn't have to do with anything that happens inside the plane in case of a plane crash, right?

Is the cause of the crash relevant (e.g. technical problems)?
Relevant how the plane is damaged in a plane crash?
Relevant how persons inside the plane are harmed in a crash?
Relevant how the plane protects the persons?
Relevant what to do when leaving the plane after the crash is dangerous (e.g. due to dangerous surroundings)?

Security measures relevant?
Emergency exits relevant?
Slides leading out of the plane relevant?

Does the scrund apply to crashs on land?
Does it apply to crashs over water (ditchings)?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Potato (Potato)
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The relevant phase of the plane crash:
Before the plane falls? yes
While the plane falls? no
During the crash? yes
After the crash no

You said that the outside of the plane is relevant, so the scrund doesn't have to do with anything that happens inside the plane in case of a plane crash, right? yes

Is the cause of the crash relevant (e.g. technical problems)? yes
Relevant how the plane is damaged in a plane crash?yes
Relevant how persons inside the plane are harmed in a crash? no
Relevant how the plane protects the persons? no
Relevant what to do when leaving the plane after the crash is dangerous (e.g. due to dangerous surroundings)? no

Security measures relevant? no
Emergency exits relevant? no
Slides leading out of the plane relevant? no

Does the scrund apply to crashs on land? yes
Does it apply to crashs over water (ditchings)? yes
Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it have to do with whether the engines fail, or whether it is rather caused by structural damage to the rest of the plane?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 9:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)
Does it have to do with whether the engines fail, or whether it is rather caused by structural damage to the rest of the plane?yes
Dbw (Dbw)
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Posted on Sunday, July 03, 2011 - 11:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it apply to engine failures? lightning strikes? bird strikes? structural failures? loss of control?

Does it involve planes colliding in midair?

Does it involve fire? explosions? water?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Monday, July 04, 2011 - 12:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dbw (Dbw)
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Does it apply to engine failures? nolightning strikes? no bird strikes? no structural failures? no loss of control? no

Does it involve planes colliding in midair? yes

Does it involve fire? no explosions? no water? no
Dbw (Dbw)
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Posted on Monday, July 04, 2011 - 1:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you think that a plane crash usually involved 2 planes crashing together, like a car crash?
Potato (Potato)
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Posted on Monday, July 04, 2011 - 3:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you think that if one certain part of the plane stops working, the plane is bound to crash?
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Monday, July 04, 2011 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dbw (Dbw)
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Did you think that a plane crash usually involved 2 planes crashing together, like a car crash? yes!!
Potato (Potato)
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Did you think that if one certain part of the plane stops working, the plane is bound to crash? no

******** SPOILER ****************
When I was a child, I thought that a plane crash was a collision when 2 planes crashed into each other. In fact, this is a very rare sort of plane crash.What is not very rare is my misjudging the difficulty of a puzzle--I thought this one would be much harder. Please check out my new one!!
Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 5:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nimue, I love your story - I can empathize.

The science fiction novel, "Millennium" [and its not so great film adaptation] is a suspense story that deals exactly with what you describe. In fact, it's the major event in the novel.

And if you've seen the movie "Hot Fuzz," there is a great bit in which Simon Pegg explains that they are no longer "traffic accidents" but, rather, collisions, because "accident" means that someone was to blame.
Dbw (Dbw)
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Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2011 - 7:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, Fiona, in Hot Fuzz he explains they're called collisions for the opposite reason: because accident implies NO one is to blame. (It was relevant in context, because in the movie he suspected the "traffic collision" they found was actually a murder.)
Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
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Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2011 - 6:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, geez, you're right, and that was a huge brain fart that I did there.

I've watched the film only 15 or 16 times, and can recite most of the dialogue, yet I am arrogant enough that I demand you to forget my rookie error.

Hot red face here re Hot Fuzz.

Okay, I'll allow you to josh me 2 more times. TWO more times ONLY!

Oh, and have you seen "Paul"? I liked it, but I adore Hot Fuzz.

Especially when they repeatedly leaped through the air firing all guns simultaneously.

And when... aw, geez, I could talk about it until the cows come home. And then I'd tell the cows about it.

Cheerios,
Fiona
Dbw (Dbw)
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Posted on Monday, July 11, 2011 - 11:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...crusty jugglers...

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