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Vesica (Vesica)
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Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2011 - 2:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The tortoise won by keeping the hare from running at all. How so?
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The tortoise an actual testudine? Is the hare an actual leporid? If not, are they humans?

Are both male? Relevant?

Were they engaged in an actual footrace? Was the race longer than 100m? Longer than 1km?

Is this the same race that was set up in Aesop's Fables, or are you using that race as a metaphor for something else?
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The tortoise an actual testudine? Yope
Is the hare an actual leporid? No
If not, are they humans? No

Are both male? Relevant? Gender unknown and Irrelevant

Were they engaged in an actual footrace? No
Was the race longer than 100m? Longer than 1km? Thus not applicable

Is this the same race that was set up in Aesop's Fables, or are you using that race as a metaphor for something else?
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Sorry I missed these:
Is this the same race that was set up in Aesop's Fables, Not literally
or are you using that race as a metaphor for something else? More this...
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Is the tortoise a non-human animal? a reptile?

Is the hare a non-human animal? a mammal?

Is this a real-world scenario? Or at least a realistic scenario (i.e. not something involving talking rabbits)?

Is the foot speed of the tortoise relevant to this situation? Thinking speed? Fighting ability? Shell? Longevity?
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Is the tortoise a non-human animal? Yes
a reptile? Yes
I think my answer might have been misleading. It should have been "Yes, slight FA

Is the hare a non-human animal? No
a mammal? No

Is this a real-world scenario? Yes, based on real life.
Or at least a realistic scenario (i.e. not something involving talking rabbits)? And thus, real.

Is the foot speed of the tortoise relevant to this situation? Yes
Thinking speed? No
Fighting ability? No
Shell? No
Longevity? No
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Were their starting point same?

Is it a real tortoise? Or it's name is tortoise?
Is it a real rabbit? Or it's name is hare?

Are the physical condition of both right? hare's? tortoise's?

Was the race planned before?

Were they running in the same direction?

Is the track known by both? Hare? Tortoise?

Was it a slow race?
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Were their starting point same? Yes-ish

Is it a real tortoise? Real animal of the genus testudine
Or it's name is tortoise? No
Is it a real rabbit? No
Or it's name is hare? No

Are the physical condition of both right? Not sure I understand this. Like "are they injured?" No and FA
hare's? Irrelevant/FA
tortoise's? Yes

Was the race planned before? FA

Were they running in the same direction? FA

Is the track known by both?
Hare? Tortoise? FA

Was it a slow race? FA
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It is like folk tales where animals act like people, right (i.e they talk, plan etc.)?
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It is like folk tales where animals act like people, right (i.e they talk, plan etc.)? A fable, yes. This puzzle - No.
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Does the hare represent a group of people? A group of hares? A species of animal? A group of animals?

Does the tortoise represent anything besides a tortoise? Such as a group of tortoises? A species?

Was an election involved? Evolution? Galapagos?
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they ain't acting like people so why are they racing I didn't so any animal racing(exception when it costs life), hmmmmm

They race with their own wish?


Does the hare stop by his own wish?

Is the hare lazy?

Is the hare stopped by something done by tortoise?

Are they on foot?

Does both of them wishes to win?


Path relevant?

Some other animal or human relevant?

Are they(hare&tortoise) friends? Foe?

Was it a normal race?


I am a bit confused "Is the hare a non-human animal? No
" So the tortoise was a tortoise but hare wasn't a hare. Right?
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Dbw
Does the hare represent a group of people? No
A group of hares? No
A species of animal? No
A group of animals? No

HINT: The "hare" represents something that shares a characteristic with the hare in the fable. It wasn't completely random, my choosing this framework for the puzzle.

Does the tortoise represent anything besides a tortoise? Er...see next Q
Such as a group of tortoises? YES! The "tortise" is literally a group of turtles.
A species? No

Was an election involved? No
Evolution? Not except in a highly lateral way. I'd lean towards No
Galapagos? No

Yatin509
they ain't acting like people so why are they racing I didn't so any animal racing(exception when it costs life), hmmmmm

I think you may have missed one of DBW's very first questions:
Were they engaged in an actual footrace? No

They race with their own wish? No literal race involved. But both parties are doing what they are doing of their own wish.

Does the hare stop by his own wish? Yes

Is the hare lazy? No

Is the hare stopped by something done by tortoise? Yes!

Are they on foot? The turtles, yes. The hare - No

Does both of them wishes to win? DYOD of "win

Path relevant? Yes!

Some other animal or human relevant? Some humans, but this could be more misleading than helpful.

Are they(hare&tortoise) friends? Foe? Not relevant/FA - Perhaps explore the nature of the "hare".

Was it a normal race? No race involved.


I am a bit confused "Is the hare a non-human animal? No
" So the tortoise was a tortoise but hare wasn't a hare. Right?
Correct. The "tortoise" is literally a group of turtles, as determined above. The "hare" is something being used as a metaphor, as it shares a key characteristic with the "hare" from the story. It is not a literal animal or person.
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O.K now I get a Idea but I maybe acting stupid

Was the hare stopped because of too many tortoise covering the whole path?

So the path's width is not so big?

Like in cycle races(marathon types) the hare is trapped between and can't get out faster?

It's a marathon?


So the faster(whatever it is) can't get in front because of the slower ones in front of him?
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O.K now I get a Idea but I maybe acting stupid All questions are good questions in my book.

Was the hare stopped because of too many tortoise covering the whole path? Yes!!

So the path's width is not so big? No

Like in cycle races(marathon types) the hare is trapped between and can't get out faster? I don't understand this question. Please clarify.

It's a marathon? No. No race is occurring.

So the faster(whatever it is) can't get in front because of the slower ones in front of him? At a high level - YES.
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By this "Like in cycle races(marathon types) the hare is trapped between and can't get out faster?"
I meant a Cyclothon in which a large number of cyclist take part and they move tyre to tyre so there is no way to get pass through even if the cyclist can cycle fast.


Even the fastest man can't get infront when there is no way.

Hare is used for a human, right? other animal?

Is he in some kind of jungle environment?

Is his profession relevant?
Wildlife photographer? Explorer? Some Adventurous ?

Is some event occurring like some festival?
Hare a participant?

Is this all taking place below water? On land?
Is the hare some sort of fish?


Hare on some vehicle?
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Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 6:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are the turtles climbing up the beach to lay eggs? or are they newly hatched?
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Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2011 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yatin509
Ah, I see! No, nothing like a Cyclothon-style race here.

Hare is used for a human, right? No
other animal? No

Is he in some kind of jungle environment? No

Is his profession relevant? FA
Wildlife photographer? Explorer? Some Adventurous ?

Is some event occurring like some festival? No
Hare a participant? FA

Is this all taking place below water? No
On land? Yes

Is the hare some sort of fish? No

Hare on some vehicle? No....

Shez
are the turtles climbing up the beach to lay eggs? Yes, but be careful.
or are they newly hatched? Nope. All adults.
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Thanks Shez Maybe You gave me a path

Hare is a snake(or something like it)?
It is coming to eat the newly born turtles but they get away to survive?

Turtles are going towards Water i.e what they do after they hatch?
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Thanks Shez Maybe You gave me a path

Hare is a snake(or something like it)?
It is coming to eat the newly born turtles but they get away to survive?

Turtles are going towards Water i.e what they do after they hatch?
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I do my best

is the hare not ON a vehicle but actually a vehicle?
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Yatin509
Hare is a snake(or something like it)? No. As previously answered, the hare is neither animal nor human.
It is coming to eat the newly born turtles but they get away to survive? Thus, no.

Turtles are going towards Water i.e what they do after they hatch? No, as answered above. They are moving OUT of the water.

Shez
is the hare not ON a vehicle but actually a vehicle? Huzzah! Yes!!
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is it an amphibious vehicle?

a boat? car?
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is it an amphibious vehicle? No
a boat? No
car? No
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a tank? a truck? a bicycle? motorbike? plane?

surfboard? windsurfer? canoe? beach buggy?
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Are these sea turtles? Small pet turtles? Snapping turtles? Tortoises? Relevant what kind of turtle?

Were the turtles blocking a road? A beach? Did they lay eggs before the "race"? Are they on their way to lay eggs? Are they looking for food? Migrating?

Is the vehicle ("hare") driven by a human? More than one human in the vehicle? Is this a specific person? HAM? Or could it be anybody?
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Was the vehicle ATV?
Pick up truck?
Jeep?
Hovercraft?

Was the vehicle crossing the beach when the tortoise came out of water?Was it getting out of water too?

Were the Vehicle and the tortoise going on the same direction? Opposite ? Perpendicularly ?
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Shez
a tank? a truck? a bicycle? motorbike? No to these
plane? This!
surfboard? windsurfer? canoe? beach buggy? No to these

Dbw
Are these sea turtles? I believe, yes.
Small pet turtles? No
Snapping turtles? No
Tortoises? No
Relevant what kind of turtle? Not terrribly.

Were the turtles blocking a road? Yope
A beach? No
Did they lay eggs before the "race"? No
Are they on their way to lay eggs? Yes
Are they looking for food? No
Migrating? No

Is the vehicle ("hare") driven by a human? Yes
More than one human in the vehicle? Yes
Is this a specific person? HAM? Or could it be anybody? Could not be anyone, but not a specific person as in "President Obama".

Yatin509
Was the vehicle ATV? No
Pick up truck? No
Jeep? No
Hovercraft? No

Was the vehicle crossing the beach when the tortoise came out of water? No
Was it getting out of water too? No

Were the Vehicle and the tortoise going on the same direction? No
Opposite ? No
Perpendicularly ? This is the best description.
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OK was the plane was unable to land because of tortoise passing through the runway?
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Or was it not able to take off bcoz of the turtles on the runway?
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Did they laid eggs on the runway?
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Or was it not able to take off bcoz of the turtles on the runway? Yes!

****** SPOILER *****

Flights were halted at New York’s JFK airport on June 29, 2011 because of a rather unusual problem – over 150 turtles on the runway. The turtles came out of the bay and were crawling across the runway to a sandy beach area to lay their eggs.

This problem reoccurs every year and staff at the airport acted quickly to help the turtles across and clear the runway.

The puzzle occurred to me because usually there would be no question of who would win an airliner/turtle confrontation. It made me grin to read that staff were diligently moving the little guys before they got stuck in a real life version of “Frogger”.


Congrats to Yatin509 for the solve! Silly little puzzle, I know! But we need some levity sometimes. Particularly since my new puzzle is of the classic sort – dead guy and all.
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All questions and puzzles are good questions in my book.

Nice Puzzle .Really Well Played by Shez and Dbw
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I'm just imagining those guys with the fluorescent vests and earmuffs running back and forth, carrying turtles to the other side of the runway so flights can resume. Cue the Benny Hill music...
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I'm sure it looked like all it needed was a soundtrack to be a comedy sketch! The article said there were only 15 minutes of delay, so they must have had a small army of "turtle relocators" at work. :D

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