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Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 11:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I suddenly burst out laughing and said "now there's a kid with potential"

Why did I say that?
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Posted on Monday, July 18, 2011 - 11:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Talking about a talent like singing? fighting? Dancing? Comedy?

He tried something and ended up in something else?

Was he showing some trick?

Was the talent worth appreciation?

Some other person relevant?

Place relevant?

Related to schools?
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Talking about a talent like singing? fighting? Dancing? Comedy? No nothing like this

He tried something and ended up in something else? No

Was he showing some trick? No

Was the talent worth appreciation? Hmm hard to answer. He didn't display a particular talent other than cleverness or shrewdness

Some other person relevant? Yes

Place relevant? This happened in France but that's not relevant

Related to schools? No
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I= You, Peter365? Did this happen during your holiday? Is the kid one of your kids? (You have kids, don't you?)

Is the kid a girl? boy? [LTPF list of integers] years old?

Was the kid present when this happened? Did you burst out laughing because of something the kid did? said?

Is the other relevant person said kid? If not, H/A/M?F? another kid?
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I= You, Peter365? Yes Did this happen during your holiday? Yes but this could have happened anywhere Is the kid one of your kids? (You have kids, don't you?) I have 3 lovely daughters but it wasn't one of them

Is the kid a girl? boy? this [LTPF list of integers] years old? at a guess he was about 9 or 10

Was the kid present when this happened? Yes Did you burst out laughing because of something the kid did? This said?

Is the other relevant person said kid? No If not, H/A/M?F? another kid? this
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Is the other kid a girl? boy? younger/same age/older than the other kid?

Were they playing together? Did they have any relevant objects? If so, toys? food? bikes/skateboards/...?
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did he show business acumen?

did he charge money for something which he might have supplied free?

did he provide a service? an item?

was he selling something at a profit?
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Is location relevant?
Where you (and the kid) in a public place?
At a mall?
At a restaurant?
At a show?

Was the child responding to a question?
A request from a parent or adult?

Did you laugh because of something he did?
Something he said?
Both?
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Is the other kid a girl? boy? This but could have been a girl younger/same age/older than the other kid? Assume the same age

Were they playing together? Yes Did they have any relevant objects? Yes If so, toys? food? bikes/skateboards/...? But none of these.
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did he show business acumen? You could argue this but the potential he showed might not be percieved as a positive thing.

did he charge money for something which he might have supplied free? No

did he provide a service? an item? No

was he selling something at a profit? No
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Is location relevant? No other than it took place outside
Where you (and the kid) in a public place? Yes we were
At a mall?
At a restaurant?
At a show? But none of these

Was the child responding to a question?
A request from a parent or adult? No to both

Did you laugh because of something he did? Yes
Something he said? No
Both?
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did you think he showed the potential to become a criminal?
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did you think he showed the potential to become a criminal? I wouldn't go that far but he did show a certain ruthlessness but in a pretty ingenious way
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Don’t want you to be bored, Peter! Have some questions.

So, to briefly RECAP:

While in France (though it need not be France),
You saw two 9-10 year old boys playing
With a relevant, yet to be determined object.
One did something that made you laugh and say "now there's a kid with potential".
This potential might not be perceived as a positive thing.
Good so far?

Was the object a toy?
Some adult object they were playing with such as a cell phone?
The two children – may we call them Jacques (he who made you laugh) and Pierre (the other one)?
Is it relevant who had the object?
Jacques?
Pierre?

Did Jacques trick Pierre in some way?
Get the object away from him?

Did Jacques make you laugh because he did something very “grown up”?
Perhaps parroted something he may have heard his parents saying but perhaps did not fully understand?

Did Jacques’ action make you think he had potential in a specific profession?
Future potential “with the ladies”?
That he would be a party animal when he got older?
Potential about his later education – perhaps college potential?
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Don’t want you to be bored, Peter! Have some questions. Thanks V and damn fine questions they are too

So, to briefly RECAP:

While in France (though it need not be France),
You saw two 9-10 year old boys playing There were more than two playing but only two are relevant
With a relevant, yet to be determined object. FA there is a very relevant object but they were not playing with it
One did something that made you laugh and say "now there's a kid with potential". Yes
This potential might not be perceived as a positive thing. Yes
Good so far? Yep taking the above clarifications into account

Was the object a toy? No
Some adult object they were playing with such as a cell phone? Not such as a cell phone IT IS A CELL PHONE
The two children – may we call them Jacques (he who made you laugh) and Pierre (the other one)? You can Pierre is a fine name ;)

Is it relevant who had the object? Yes. They each had a phone
Jacques?
Pierre?

Did Jacques trick Pierre in some way? That would be a reasonable way to describe it
Get the object away from him? No see above

Did Jacques make you laugh because he did something very “grown up”? No
Perhaps parroted something he may have heard his parents saying but perhaps did not fully understand? no

Did Jacques’ action make you think he had potential in a specific profession? Not really
Future potential “with the ladies”? Not this
That he would be a party animal when he got older? Not especially
Potential about his later education – perhaps college potential? Possibly would point to his intelligence

Major spoiler inducing progress from Vesica there
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Were Jacques using the phone to make a call?
Play a game?
Some other non-phone related usage?
Is the brand of phone relevant?
Such as an iPhone?
Was Pierre using the phone he had?
To make a call?

Did Jacques threaten to call someone?
Did Jacques use an app?

Did Jacques intend to make Pierre:
Scared?
Angry?
Happy?
Like him?
Respect him?
Obey him?
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Posted on Friday, July 22, 2011 - 3:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were Jacques using the phone to make a call? Yes he made a call
Play a game? If you mean playing a game on his phone then no
Some other non-phone related usage? No he just made a call
Is the brand of phone relevant? No
Such as an iPhone?
Was Pierre using the phone he had? He did yes
To make a call? No

Did Jacques threaten to call someone? No
Did Jacques use an app? No

Did Jacques intend to make Pierre:
Scared?
Angry? Well i imagine he knew it would make Pierre cross but that was not why he did it
Happy?
Like him?
Respect him?
Obey him? No to rest
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Did Jacques call Pierre?
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If not, was Pierre texting? When he shouldn't have been? And Jacques called Pierre's parents?
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Did Jacques call Pierre? Yes
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If not, was Pierre texting? When he shouldn't have been? And Jacques called Pierre's parents? No to all
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did Jacques call Pierre and tell him to do something? threaten him?

were they both in the smae location (ish)?

like was Pierre standing at a hot dog stand and Jacques called him from yards away to demand extra onions?
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Did Jacques call Pierre and then hang up?
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did Jacques call Pierre and tell him to do something? threaten him? No to both

were they both in the smae location (ish)? Yes

like was Pierre standing at a hot dog stand and Jacques called him from yards away to demand extra onions? Not like this no
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Did Jacques call Pierre and then hang up? Yes
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Did Jacques call Pierre because he wanted to speak with him?
He wanted Pierre to take out his phone?
He wanted to prove Pierre had a phone?
Was he trying to get Pierre in trouble?
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Did Jacques call Pierre because he wanted to speak with him? No - Good Question
He wanted Pierre to take out his phone? Noish
He wanted to prove Pierre had a phone? No
Was he trying to get Pierre in trouble? No
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did Jacques call Pierre in order to distract him?
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did Jacques call Pierre in order to distract him? No
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Did Jacques want that his phone number appears on Pierre's phone?
To make it appear as if the owner of Jacques' phone had called the owner of Pierre's phone?
Relevant to whom the phones belonged? (to Jacques' and Pierre's parents?)
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Did Jacques want that his phone number appears on Pierre's phone? No
To make it appear as if the owner of Jacques' phone had called the owner of Pierre's phone? No
Relevant to whom the phones belonged? (to Jacques' and Pierre's parents?)No they were Jacques and Pierre's phones
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Did this happen indoors or outdoors?
Was Jacques able to see Pierre when he called him?
Did Pierre expect Jacques to call him? (maybe they agreed before that Jacques would call in order to give Pierre a signal of some sort)
Did Pierre hear the call?
Did he pick up the call?
Did he expect already before picking up the call (before looking at the display?) that it's Jacques who is calling?
Did Jacques want to find out something? (Pierre's ring tone? whether Pierre has Jacques' number in his list of friends?)
Did Pierre have the phone in his pocket? or was the purpose of the call to find out where Pierre's phone is?
.. and by the way: Jacques is using his phone to make the call? (they did not swap their phones?)
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Did this happen indoors or outdoors? Outdoors
Was Jacques able to see Pierre when he called him? No
Did Pierre expect Jacques to call him? No (maybe they agreed before that Jacques would call in order to give Pierre a signal of some sort)
Did Pierre hear the call? Yes
Did he pick up the call? No
Did he expect already before picking up the call (before looking at the display?) that it's Jacques who is calling? No it would have caught him completely by surprise
Did Jacques want to find out something? Yes (Pierre's ring tone? whether Pierre has Jacques' number in his list of friends?) No to these
Did Pierre have the phone in his pocket? Yes or was the purpose of the call to find out where Pierre's phone is? Yes.... and....
.. and by the way: Jacques is using his phone to make the call? (they did not swap their phones?) Yes he was

Should be a doddle from here
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Had Pierre been unable to find his phone? Had he been looking every-which-where for it? And it was in his pocket the whole time?
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Had Pierre been unable to find his phone? No Had he been looking every-which-where for it? And it was in his pocket the whole time? So no to these
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Hint : Think about what Jacques &Pierre were doing
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You said Jacques tricked Pierre, correct?
Was the ringtone of Pierre's phone similar to some other sound? Another phone?
Did Pierre answer the call at all?
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Were Jacques and Pierre playing hide and seek?
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You said Jacques tricked Pierre, correct? Yes
Was the ringtone of Pierre's phone similar to some other sound? Irr Another phone? Irr
Did Pierre answer the call at all? No
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Were Jacques and Pierre playing hide and seek? Not quite but certainly close enough to declare a

**************Spoiler**************
This happened while we were enjoying a nice picnic in a public park.

The group of children were actually playing Forty Forty or Kick the Can. Jacques had found all of the other players but Pierre had chosen a really good hiding place in a thick bush. Jacques got tired of looking for Pierre and simply rang his phone, followed the ringtone sound, located Pierre and rushed back to the home area shouting "Quarante Quarante Je Vois Pierre".

Yeah I know he cheated but you've got to admit it was a pretty good piece of thinking and shows excellent problem solving potential. How this potential might manifest itself is anyone's guess.

It also cracked me up that the french kids also called (albeit in French) the game Forty Forty as we do in Ireland . I was surprised with the literal translation as I would assume this game has many names in many different countries.

What do you call it.

Thanks for playing and well done Sundowner. I thought it would go quicker but it took a long time for someone to ask what they were playing.

Any guesses on why the puzzle is titled as it is?
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brilliant!
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Brilliant indeed!

I've never seen or played a game of Forty Forty here in the US; looking it up, it looks a lot of fun.

And I have no idea how you came up with the puzzle title. Is it a generic ringtone? Or does the name of the game have anything to do with it?
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It's a fun game alright which kind of combines the best elements of Hide n Seek and Tag. We played it endlessly as children.

As for the puzzle title the phrase Be Bop A Lula is sung in the song Walk of Life by Dire Straits which also contains the line "Oh Yeah the boy can play" which Jacques most certainly can.

Another to add to your "must listen to" list Balin. It's on their "Brothers In Arms" album which in my humble opinion was one of the best of the 80's.
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Pulled it up on YouTube to listen to -- I have heard this one before; just never knew what it was called. Thanks!
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We just called it Kick the Can. We played it a lot until I somehow managed to kick the can hard into my sister's lip (she had been caught and was sitting next to it waiting to be free). After that, Kick the Can was banned at my house.

Any idea how the name "forty forty" came about?

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