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| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1736 Registered: 8-2001 |
Will and Ollie journeyed for 8 long months to reach a sign, but, once there, neither of them observed what the sign said. Explain. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1834 Registered: 6-2008 |
Are Will and Ollie HAM? Observed as in "noticed"? or as in "obeyed"? | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 137 Registered: 6-2011 |
The sign signify some place like (Welcome to L.A)? The vehicle they used relevant? Car? bike? motorbike? Self(i.e on foot}? Plane? Spacecraft? Your question makes me think of around the world in 80 days. 8 long months o.O. I would say that in long 8 months they lost interest in the sign simply :D Sign means sign like sign on board,Yes? Is the sign in the language they know? When they decided to travel did they wanted to read the sign? when they were travelling? Is the sign readable? Are they literally travelling? | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 138 Registered: 6-2011 |
Are they mathematician or physician(or some type of scientist) finding some formula or deriving something? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1743 Registered: 8-2001 |
Biograd Are Will and Ollie HAM? Will - HAM, Ollie - M, possibly A Observed as in "noticed"? This meaning of observed. or as in "obeyed"? Not this. Whoops! Sorry to not have been more clear. Yatin509 The sign signify some place like (Welcome to L.A)? Yes, but not "Welcome to LA" The vehicle they used relevant? I almost said No but then read your options below. Yes, see below. Car? No bike? No motorbike? No Self(i.e on foot}? YES Plane? No Spacecraft? No Your question makes me think of around the world in 80 days. 8 long months o.O. I would say that in long 8 months they lost interest in the sign simply :D *laughs* This could be true. Sign means sign like sign on board,Yes? Yes Is the sign in the language they know? Yope When they decided to travel did they wanted to read the sign? Yope when they were travelling? No, definitely before. Is the sign readable? Yes! Good Q Are they literally travelling? Yes Are they mathematician or physician(or some type of scientist) finding some formula or deriving something? No | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 527 Registered: 6-2005 |
Back here after months... Lots of new nicknames, well hi all! :-) Is Ollie an animal? An object? Relevant what "he" exactly is? Is there anything written on the sign? Is there something drawn? Is it important to find out where exactly the sign is? And all the places Will and Ollie visited while travelling towards the sign? Were they on planet Earth? If so, were they in [LTPF list of continents]? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14020 Registered: 4-2010 |
Nice to see you back, Mattiel! Longshot: Is it the Hollywood sign? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1746 Registered: 8-2001 |
Back here after months... Lots of new nicknames, well hi all! :-) Welcome back! I don't remember you from any of my previous periods of involvement here, so nice to meet you! Is Ollie an animal? Yes An object? No Relevant what "he" exactly is? Yes Is there anything written on the sign? Yes Is there something drawn? No Is it important to find out where exactly the sign is? YES! And all the places Will and Ollie visited while travelling towards the sign? Not each one, but in a general sense, yes Were they on planet Earth? Yes If so, were they in [LTPF list of continents]? North America | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 528 Registered: 6-2005 |
Nice to see you again too, Balin, and in great shape! 14000 posts, you were "only" about 3000 last time I was here :-) Is Ollie a: Mammal? Fish? Bird? Insect? Reptile? Is he Will's mean of transportation? (e.g. his horse) His pet? (Dog? Cat?) Is Will actually aware of Ollie's existence and presence? Is the sign in the U.S.? If so, is it in [LTPF list of US states]? Is it on a road? In a park? In a natural reserve? On a beach? On some building? What's written on it: is it a whole sentence? Is it a single word? Is it a location name? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 845 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did the sign basically say that here is a particular place? or give a direction to a place? did it contain an instruction? was it in written language? (i.e. not pictures or pictograms?) in English? Did Will and Ollie want to get to this place? to the place identified by this sign? Did they, even if they did not notice what the sign says, realize that they were there? Is any of them both color-blind? (and, thus, could not read a sign with red text on green) Is Ollie a horse? (just in case) | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1750 Registered: 8-2001 |
Balin Longshot: Is it the Hollywood sign? Good guess, but no Mattiel Is Ollie a: Mammal? Yes Fish? Bird? Insect? Reptile? No to these Is he Will's mean of transportation? No (e.g. his horse) No His pet? Yope (Dog? YES Cat?) Is Will actually aware of Ollie's existence and presence? Yes Is the sign in the U.S.? Yes If so, is it in [LTPF list of US states]? Maine Is it on a road? No-ish In a park? Yes In a natural reserve? Yes, I think On a beach? No On some building? No What's written on it: is it a whole sentence? No, I think fragments/phrases Is it a single word? No Is it a location name? YES - this is the most relevant part of the sign (with one missing detail) Sundowner Did the sign basically say that here is a particular place? Yes or give a direction to a place? It gives this too. did it contain an instruction? No was it in written language? (i.e. not pictures or pictograms?) Yes, written language in English? Yes Did Will and Ollie want to get to this place? Yes! to the place identified by this sign? Yes Did they, even if they did not notice what the sign says, realize that they were there? Yes (good Q) Is any of them both color-blind? Ollie may be Is Ollie a horse? (just in case) Always good to check. No. Mattiel identified Ollie as a non-human of the canine persuasion. | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 140 Registered: 6-2011 |
Is Will nomad? Ollie is his dog,Yes(JUST TO CONFIRM)? Are there even a number of sheep? Or any other animal relevant? They were there to graze their (actually his) cattle? Ollie is a watch dog? The time period relevant? Spring? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1755 Registered: 8-2001 |
Is Will nomad? No Ollie is his dog,Yes(JUST TO CONFIRM)? Yes, Ollie is a dog. Are there even a number of sheep? No sheep Or any other animal relevant? No They were there to graze their (actually his) cattle? No Ollie is a watch dog? No The time period relevant? Please clarify Spring? Season not very relevant, though not winter. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4083 Registered: 9-2010 |
I think Yatin means does it matter what century/decade this takes place in. For example, was it possible when Maine was part of the 13 colonies (as part of Massachusetts, no less, with other colonies in between them)? after Maine became a state but before the 20th century? during the 20th century? after the year 2000 and not before? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1756 Registered: 8-2001 |
I think Yatin means does it matter what century/decade this takes place in. For example, was it possible when Maine was part of the 13 colonies (as part of Massachusetts, no less, with other colonies in between them)? after Maine became a state but before the 20th century? during the 20th century? after the year 2000 and not before? Ah ha! Um, not absolutely relevant. Time period late 20th Century. | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 45 Registered: 7-2011 |
As per the title, are trees involved in any meaningful way? Or just as part of the landscape? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1757 Registered: 8-2001 |
As per the title, are trees involved in any meaningful way? Nope. The title was a location clue as it's drawn from the state song of Maine. Since you smarties already figured that out, it probably won't help. Or just as part of the landscape? There are trees as part of the landscape. | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 529 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did they want to reach the sign, or more generically the place where the sign is? Does the sign indicate the name of: the park? The State? A city? A town/village? A region? A river? A forest? Is this name a particular reference/hint to their names (e.g. "Ollieville", for instance) or to something relevant for them? The other part of the sign text: is it a distance information (e.g. 20 miles)? A direction (e.g. turn left)? A welcome message? A simple information message (e.g. here is...)? When they arrive to this place, do they: look for the sign? Find the sign? Look at the sign without reading it? Look for something else which is supposed to be not far from the sign? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1758 Registered: 8-2001 |
Mattiel Did they want to reach the sign, Yes-ish or more generically the place where the sign is? Yes! This is more accurate. Does the sign indicate the name of: the park? The State? A city? A town/village? A region? A river? A forest? None of these Is this name a particular reference/hint to their names (e.g. "Ollieville", for instance) or to something relevant for them? Nope. The names are random. The other part of the sign text: The other part isn't terribly relevant, but it may help put some of the pieces together. is it a distance information (e.g. 20 miles)? Yes A direction (e.g. turn left)? No A welcome message? No A simple information message (e.g. here is...)? Yes, the name of X When they arrive to this place, do they: look for the sign? Yes Find the sign? Yes Look at the sign without reading it? Yes Look for something else which is supposed to be not far from the sign? No | ||
| Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member Username: Solitiare Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2011 |
Does it have anything to do with the Canadian border? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1380 Registered: 2-2011 |
is Willie blind? and Ollie his guide dog? | ||
| Mattiel (Mattiel)
New member Username: Mattiel Post Number: 530 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does the sign indicate the place where they actually are, or something else? (e.g. "Here you are at 1000 miles from north pole") The place indicated on the sign: is it a natural place (tree, lake, mountain, ...)? Or a man-made one (statue, bridge, ...)? If they only wanted to reach the place, and not the sign, isn't it "normal" that they don't read it? Or am I missing a particular relevance of the sign here? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1761 Registered: 8-2001 |
Solitiare Does it have anything to do with the Canadian border? No, not the best of my knowledge Shez Is Willie blind? YES!! and Ollie his guide dog? YES! Well played, Shez! Mattiel Does the sign indicate the place where they actually are, or something else? Per your example, where they are. The place indicated on the sign: is it a natural place (tree, lake, mountain, ...)? Yes, it's a mountain and something more... Or a man-made one (statue, bridge, ...)? No If they only wanted to reach the place, and not the sign, isn't it "normal" that they don't read it? Or am I missing a particular relevance of the sign here? See Shez's questions above. The place and the sign are in the same spot, give or take 3 feet. I don't know that I would say it is a "normal" for someone to look right at a sign but not read it. It's extremely difficult for someone who CAN read to look at readable text and NOT read it. (Really, try it sometime.) | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1762 Registered: 8-2001 |
So, we have made a very important discovery re: Will and Ollie. Will didn't "observe" the sign because he's blind. Ollie did not because he's a dog. NOW...what's up with the journey? And the sign? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1382 Registered: 2-2011 |
did the place have some particular significance to Willie personally? does it have some significance for blind people? bearing in mind that Willie could not see the view, is it somewhere like Niagara falls? or is it the location of a memorial? | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1472 Registered: 9-2010 |
Is there also Braille on the sign? Did he think there was when he began the journey? Is the place of any special significant to blind people? Would Willie have likely begun the journey if he had full 20/20 vision? If he wore glasses? If he were legally blind but not totally blind (ie he could see at very close distances, and could probably read a book if it were two inches away from his face)? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1763 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez Did the place have some particular significance to Willie personally? Yes to Yesish does it have some significance for blind people? No bearing in mind that Willie could not see the view, Corect is it somewhere like Niagara falls? It's not a waterfall or a scenic spot per se. Is this what you meant? or is it the location of a memorial? No Gregoryuconn Is there also Braille on the sign? No Did he think there was when he began the journey? No Is the place of any special significant to blind people? No Would Willie have likely begun the journey if he had full 20/20 vision? Perhaps If he wore glasses? Perhaps If he were legally blind but not totally blind? Perhaps To clarify...if you had asked "would he NOT have begun the journey if...", the answer would have been No for all. | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3395 Registered: 1-2001 |
Was Willie wanting to reach the northernmost point in the continental U.S.? Is the place in Maine where the sign is located in northern Maine? Southern? Eastern? Western? Does the sign indicate an entrance to something? Is the sign next to a road? A trail? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1765 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ixoye724 Was Willie wanting to reach the northernmost point in the continental U.S.? No, but OTRT Is the place in Maine where the sign is located in northern Maine? Southern? Eastern? Western? From eyeballing a map - Central? Sorry, I don't know Maine well enough to know what someone in the know would consider "northern" or "southern". My home state of Florida is a bit easier to guess with. Does the sign indicate an entrance to something? YOPE Is the sign next to a road? No A trail? Yes | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3396 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is it a point that's an extreme of some sort? "Highest point"? "Lowest point"? "Coldest point"? Something else like this? Does it indicate a border? Does it warn of danger? Imply a warning? "You are now entering..."? "You are now leaving..."? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1384 Registered: 2-2011 |
was Willy being sponsored for this walk? does the sign indicate the exit or end of something? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3397 Registered: 1-2001 |
Is the Appalachian Trail relevant? | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 229 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is it relevant what our heroes will do next? Or is arriving at that spot in and of itself the important thing? Will they stay a bit? Turn around and go home again? Relevant? Have any of them been there before? Relevant? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1767 Registered: 8-2001 |
Ixoye724 Is it a point that's an extreme of some sort? No "Highest point"? No "Lowest point"? No "Coldest point"? No Something else like this? No Does it indicate a border? No Does it warn of danger? No Imply a warning? No "You are now entering..."? No "You are now leaving..."? No, but these last two are getting closer. Shez was Willy being sponsored for this walk? No does the sign indicate the exit or end of something? Yes! The end(ish) of something! Ixoye724 Is the Appalachian Trail relevant? YES!! Abc Is it relevant what our heroes will do next? No Or is arriving at that spot in and of itself the important thing? Yes Will they stay a bit? Likely no Turn around and go home again? Yes Relevant? Not really Have any of them been there before? No!Relevant? Yes! | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1400 Registered: 2-2011 |
was Willy out to prove something? to himself? to others? | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3398 Registered: 1-2001 |
Did they successfully navigate and travel the entire AT, just not able to read the sign atop the mountain at the end of the trail? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 849 Registered: 6-2003 |
Was Will the first blind to complete the Appalachian Trail? Did he realize that he reached the final point? (because Ollie reacted in some way to the sign? or were there other people with him who told him?) | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14056 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did they not observe what the sign said because of the weather? Did something happen to the sign? Will? Ollie? Would they normally have been able to observe the sign? | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 219 Registered: 7-2011 |
I'm echoing others here, but will go ahead: Were Willie and Ollie taking part in: a sport? a hike? a contest? Did they expect to meet other people and other dogs? I'm in love with this puzzle. For some reason, stories about dogs who help people make me teary-eyed. Fiona (who should know because bf is from Maine) | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1775 Registered: 8-2001 |
Shez was Willy out to prove something? Yes to himself? to others? Yes to both Ixoye724 Did they successfully navigate and travel the entire AT, just not able to read the sign atop the mountain at the end of the trail? Yes!! Sundowner Was Will the first blind to complete the Appalachian Trail? Yes Did he realize that he reached the final point? Yes (because Ollie reacted in some way to the sign? No or were there other people with him who told him? Yes) Balin Did they not observe what the sign said because of the weather? No Did something happen to the sign? no Will? Ollie? No to both Would they normally have been able to observe the sign? NO! Fionakelleghan Were Willie and Ollie taking part in: a sport? no a hike? Yes a contest? No Did they expect to meet other people and other dogs? Probably I'm in love with this puzzle. For some reason, stories about dogs who help people make me teary-eyed. Then break out the tissues, I think we have enough here for the You-Know-What. | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1776 Registered: 8-2001 |
****** SPOILER ****** On November 21, 1990, Bill Irwin became the first blind individual to complete a hike of the entire Appalachian Trail, all 2,000+ miles of it. His companion for the entire journey was Orient, a German Shepard guide dog. "It was truly a team effort, " explained Irwin. "There were times when Orient lost his footing and I could steady the leash attached to the dog's guide harness before he fell and there were other times when Orient helped to prevent me from falling." He was the last “thru-hiker” (those attempting the entire trail) to complete the hike in 1990, finishing three and a half weeks behind the next nearest hiker and after a journey of 8 months. Along the trail, Irwin and Orient were known as “the Orient Express” by fellow hikers. Irwin was able to read the trail signs with his fingertips for much of the journey, though there were two areas with different trail sign types that he could not read. In these sections, fellow hikers helped mark the trail for Irwin with sticks attached to sign posts. Orient also helped out, getting a sense for the trail and following the scent of other hikers and even learning to recognize the cairn style trail markers used in some areas. His son made him audio tapes with information about the Trail from Georgia through Delaware and a trail staff member, learning of Bill’s trek, made tapes for the rest of his journey. A ten person support group at a church in Irwin’s hometown mailed packages to him along the journey as well. More info about Bill Irwin here: http://www.billirwin.com/home.html | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1511 Registered: 2-2011 |
brilliant! thanks Vesica and welcome back! | ||
| Fionakelleghan (Fionakelleghan)
New member Username: Fionakelleghan Post Number: 295 Registered: 7-2011 |
Vesica, you are amazing - I remember that, when I was still working at my library, I was cataloging a set of DVDs about harsh-climate adventures and the crazy people who - Well, hell, I don't care if the reckless people do what they do. But I always cry about the dogs. I suppose you're familiar with the movie "8 Below"? |
