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Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
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Posted on Tuesday, June 21, 2011 - 3:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If he were Christian, the clever response would likely never have been made.

True story, so I'm told.
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Was he a different religion? An atheist?
He = HAM?

Other people relevant? 1? 2? a few? 10s of people? 100s of people? 1000s of people? more?
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did he make the response?

or was he being responded to?

was he addressing many people? was it a private conversation?

was the clever response funny? sarcastic? genuinely clever?
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Did the response rely on a scrund about Christianity?

Was it a pun of some kind?
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Was he a different religion? Yes, to spare yout he LTPF List, Jewish An atheist?
He = HAM? Yes

Other people relevant? 1? Yes, HAF though gender is irrelevant 2? a few? 10s of people? 100s of people? 1000s of people? more?

did he make the response?

or was he being responded to? this

was he addressing many people? was it a private conversation? i believe this

was the clever response funny? sarcastic? genuinely clever? I'd say clever, perhaps funny too.
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if he had been a Christian, would the reply have made any sense?
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Did he ask a question?
Did he ask somebody a favor?
Did he just mention something and the response was a comment on what he said?
Had he expected a response?
Had he wanted a response?

Was the response bible-related?
Related to a certain biblical person?
To a biblical event?
To a biblical verse?

To a famous person who has to do with Christianity?
Martin Luther?
A pope?
Mother Teresa?

To a Christian ceremony?
Or a Christian holiday?

Fasting relevant?
Crucifix relevant?
Preaching relevant?
Robes relevant?
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Did the HAM and HAF know each other prior to this conversation? Are they related?
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I think you missed my earlier questions

Was the reply (probably) made because he was Jewish? or simply because he was NOT Christian?
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Can we call the man Abraham?

Is he or the woman a beggar? Is anyone seeking a religious conversion?
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if he had been a Christian, would the reply have made any sense? Depends. There are two potential "if he were a Christian" Scenarios. Number one is that he makes the same (or rather a very similar) comment to the same person and gets the same response. In this case, the response would have made sense but would likely not have been made. Number two is he makes the similar comment to a different person (explore this) and gets a slightly modified response. I suppose the response could be modified one of two ways; in one it would make no sense and in the second it would probably make some sense but would not really be all too clever. I just gave you a minor hint. Explore this

Did he ask a question?
Did he ask somebody a favor?
Did he just mention something and the response was a comment on what he said? this is closest
Had he expected a response? assume yes
Had he wanted a response? he probably wanted some response, yes.

Was the response bible-related? Not really, so no to the next three too
Related to a certain biblical person?
To a biblical event?
To a biblical verse?

To a famous person who has to do with Christianity? No, the remark did not concern famous people of any kind. But [insert relevant detail here] ...
Martin Luther?
A pope?
Mother Teresa?

To a Christian ceremony?
Or a Christian holiday? No to all.

Fasting relevant?
Crucifix relevant?
Preaching relevant?
Robes relevant? No to all

Hint: establishing more detail about the people themselves would help

Did the HAM and HAF know each other prior to this conversation? They knew of each other most certainly, but i don't believe they knew each other personally. Are they related? You mean like family? Then no. To paraphrase something my history professor once said, they didn't know eachother in the Biblical sense either. Actually, it's funny that I should bring up that comment here, although I can't say why just yet. But unless you've been in one of my classes, specifically the one where she made that comment, this digression won't help you much, so I'll just explain why when I can.
Did the response rely on a scrund about Christianity? No.

Was it a pun of some kind? No.

Was the reply (probably) made because he was Jewish? or simply because he was NOT Christian? It could have worked in a similar context if he were one of several other religions, although likely not in the same context, and CERTAINLY not in the same context for at least one religion. But there are some which it would not work for. So just focus on the fact that he was Jewish for now.

Can we call the man Abraham? For now, but since this is a true story, you might want to use his real name when you figure out who he is.

Is he or the woman a beggar? No Is anyone seeking a religious conversion? No

Hint: It would help you to determine more about who these people are.
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Did he make the comment to a rabbi? If so, would the "different person" in the alternate scenario be a priest?
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did this take place in or around a place of worship? a church? a synagogue?

a school? a convention? a dinner? a wedding?

indoors? outdoors?
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Did he make the comment to a rabbi? So no If so, would the "different person" in the alternate scenario be a priest? No, but your logic is OTRT if you can figure out who he made the comment to.

did this take place in or around a place of worship? a church? a synagogue?

a school? a convention? a dinner? a wedding?

indoors? outdoors? the location is irrelevant and I'm not sure for certain, but at the same time if you can find some details about the location it will hep.. Assume indoors and not in a place of worship or school. Definitely not at a wedding.
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Going out on a limb here: Is the man's name Greg?
Is the woman someone at the university?
Is the location related to a business setting? or social setting?
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Does he have to be Jewish for this to work?
Or just non-Christian?

Does this work with all stripes/flavors of Christianity?
Or only certain ones?

Is the day of worship/services relevant?
Is Christ relevant?
The New Testement?
The Apostle Paul?
Any saints?
Any Christian traditions?
Any part of Christian ritual?
Communion?
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Going out on a limb here: Is the man's name Greg?
Is the woman someone at the university? no to all
Is the location related to a business setting? DOYD of "business" or social setting? No
Does he have to be Jewish for this to work? No, but ....
Or just non-Christian? no again, but ...

Does this work with all stripes/flavors of Christianity?
Or only certain ones? There are a few where it *might* be possible for the witty remark to be made. However, it still wouldn't have had nearly the same effect.

Is the day of worship/services relevant?
Is Christ relevant?
The New Testement?
The Apostle Paul?
Any saints?
Any Christian traditions?
Any part of Christian ritual?
Communion? No to all
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Is the idea of "going to hell" relevant?
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Did the dialogue occur online? on television? in real time?

Is he Woody Allen? or another comedian?

You said it wasn't a pun, but was the wording what made the response so clever?
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Is the idea of "going to hell" relevant? No

Did the dialogue occur online? on television? in real time? In person

Is he Woody Allen? or another comedian? No, OTWT (on the wrong track)

You said it wasn't a pun, but was the wording what made the response so clever? I'm not sure what you mean by this, but probably not.

Hint: It would be of significant help to establish details about the identities of these two people.
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forgive me for repeating anything if the questions have already been asked then, but...

so the H/A/M and H/A/F are real people?
are they both famous?
are they from the U.S.? Elsewhere in North America?
South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia? Antarctica (hey, they could be polar explorers)?
would it have worked if they were talking penguins? =)

do they work in television? the film industry?
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so the H/A/M and H/A/F are real people? indeed
are they both famous? indeed
are they from the U.S.? Elsewhere in North America?
South America? Europe? Asia? Africa? Australia? Antarctica (hey, they could be polar explorers)?
would it have worked if they were talking penguins? =) He is from the USA, she was originally from Europe but is more commonly associated with a Middle Eastern nation. To spare you the LTPF List, that country is Israel.

do they work in television? the film industry? No to both, OTWT
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are they politicians?
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are they politicians? YES!
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are they involved in a public debate? on TV? in their place of work (sorry - bit hazy about details of the US system) - Congress? Senate? House of Representatives? State Capitol?
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are they involved in a public debate? No on TV? No in their place of work (sorry - bit hazy about details of the US system) FA - remember, SHE was Israeli - Congress? Senate? House of Representatives? State Capitol? Presumably, they were in her office in Israel. If not, you can safely assume they were.
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Is she Jewish too? Was the response related to Jewish culture? customs? religion?
Are they still alive? Still active in politics? Relevant what European country she was originally from?
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Is she Jewish too? Yes Was the response related to Jewish culture? customs? religion? Not quite any of these
Are they still alive? I had to look this up. He is, she isn't. And a slight BLOOPER: He was born in Europe, but was politically involved in America. Still active in politics? Not that I know of Relevant what European country she was originally from? Not at all, except that it might help you figure out who she was. Same applies to him.
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shot in the dark - Kissinger? Golda Meir?
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shot in the dark - Kissinger? Golda Meir? Yes to both! Lucky...
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Ok, so let me see if I got this.
Kissinger is an American (born in Europe) politician and Jewish (I did not know that he was Jewish before this puzzle. I have been enlightened =) yay, LTPF has taught me many things).
He made a remark to Golda Meir who is associated with Israel. If he had been Christian, she would not have said the response she did.
(To make absolutely sure, is Golda Meir Jewish as well, or merely associated with Israel?)
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Ok, so let me see if I got this.
Kissinger is an American (born in Europe) politician and Jewish (I did not know that he was Jewish before this puzzle. I have been enlightened =) yay, LTPF has taught me many things). The fact that Kissinger was born in Europe is irrelevant.
He made a remark to Golda Meir who is associated with Israel. If he had been Christian, she would not have said the response she did. Probably not. And he wouldn't have made the exact same remark in the first place but it would have been pretty close.
(To make absolutely sure, is Golda Meir Jewish as well, or merely associated with Israel?) She is. She was the Prime Minister when this took place, I believe.
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Come on... Ask some questions people.
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Is it relevant that it was Kissinger/Meir who made the comment? Are their positions relevant? Could it have been any two people who commented (with the puzzle still working)?
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Is it relevant that it was Kissinger/Meir who made the comment? Kissinger - only in that he's Jewish. Meir - well, it's relevant that she was PM of Israel because otherwise Kissinger wouln't be meeting her, but it could have been another PM I suppose. Are their positions relevant? Not in particular, except that it allowed them to meet. Could it have been any two people who commented (with the puzzle still working)? It could have been any prominent Jewish non-Israeli figure (preferably a politician) speaking to any prominent Jewish Israeli figure (preferably a politician) with the Israeli making the returning remark. However, Kissinger's remark would have to be changed slightly if it were someone else. Also keep in mind that certain prominent Jewish non-Israelis would be unlikely to have a meeting with the Israeli PM.
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Did Kissinger show special respect to Meir? Relevant?
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Did Kissinger show special respect to Meir? Relevant? Irr
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Anyone want to post on this? I'm having surgery a week from today and will $poyle this puzzle and my other two Sunday night if they aren't already done. And I'm not creating any more before the.
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Unless this puzzle magically becomes super active within the next 24 hours or so, I'm $poyling it before my surgery. I may grant an extension on Big Election puzzle if it gets activity, and I am doing so on the science complisult one. But not this one which has had no questions in several weeks.
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Since there has been no activity on this and I'm having brain surgery tomorrow, it's time for the


*****SPOILER*****
The following conversation is said to have occurred when Henry Kissinger (a Jew, and US Secretary of State) met with Golda Meir when she was the PM of Israel. I can't vouch for its veracity.

Kissinger: I am an American first, Secretary of State second, and a Jew third.
Meir: But in Israel, we read from right to left.

Of course, had Kissinger been Christian, he would likely not have had that exchange with Meir. And he wouldn't have had it with the Pope (or whatever the Protestant political/religious is, I am not familiar) either because Latin is read from left to right as well.
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Brilliant. And it really was much simpler than I thought; I'm thinking we all overthought what was said.

Protestantism has no single theopolitical head. (I don't know if "theopolitical" is a word, but it sounds nice.)
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But first, second, and third do not imply a direction... unless Meir herself was thinking in a left-to-right mindset when she heard the comment. Which sort of invalidates the point!

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