[Noel] Bad for business Log Out | Topics | Search
Moderators | Register | Edit Profile

Lateral Puzzles » Solved Lateral Thinking Puzzles » Solved Puzzles - September 2011 » [Noel] Bad for business « Previous Next »

Author Message
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2776
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 2:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A manufacturer makes a product that no one wants. Some customers started buying the product. After some time, the manufacturer decided to prevent those customers from buying any more of the product, even though the customers were not doing anything illegal and the manufacturer still has way more of the product that it needs or knows what to do with. Why?
Redwine (Redwine)
New member
Username: Redwine

Post Number: 973
Registered: 1-2011
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 2:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the manufacturer gain any profit if noone bought the Product?
Did the manufacturer make only the Product?
Did the manufacturer make many Products? 1-10? 10-100? 100-1000? >1000?
Is Product harmful?
Is time relevant? Is location?
True story?
Lynne (Lynne)
New member
Username: Lynne

Post Number: 5103
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 2:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it one of those products that people need but don't want to have to use it? e.g a fire escape ladder, even a first aid kit
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 4070
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 2:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the customers use the product? Did they sell it? Modify it? Make a profit from it?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2778
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the manufacturer gain any profit if noone bought the Product? no
Did the manufacturer make only the Product? no
Did the manufacturer make many Products? 1-10? 10-100? this one 100-1000? >1000?
Is Product harmful? no
Is time relevant? yes Is location? yes
True story? yes
Is it one of those products that people need but don't want to have to use it? e.g a fire escape ladder, even a first aid kit no
Did the customers use the product? some did, most didn't Did they sell it? noish Modify it? no Make a profit from it? yes
Lynne (Lynne)
New member
Username: Lynne

Post Number: 5105
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 2:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they selling them on ebay?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2779
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 2:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they selling them on ebay? no
Lynne (Lynne)
New member
Username: Lynne

Post Number: 5106
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You had a noish for seling - did they rent the product out?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2780
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You had a noish for seling - did they rent the product out? no. I think a better answer to the selling question than noish might be "DOYD of selling."
Lynne (Lynne)
New member
Username: Lynne

Post Number: 5108
Registered: 12-2000
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the customers exploiting others?
Redwine (Redwine)
New member
Username: Redwine

Post Number: 976
Registered: 1-2011
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could the manufacturer make the profit from product the same way that customers did?
Did the manufacturer prevent customers from buying the product for their benefit? for his benefit? to prevent something bad happening?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2781
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were the customers exploiting others? yes
Could the manufacturer make the profit from product the same way that customers did? no
Did the manufacturer prevent customers from buying the product for their benefit? no for his benefit? This is not the primary reason, but the manufacturer did benefit somewhat from preventing the purchases, too. Also, FA. to prevent something bad happening? yes
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2782
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Actually, let's simplify that. I realized that I've based my answer to the previous question on an assumption that may or may not be true. I actually have no idea which reason was the primary purpose for the ban. So change the above answers to:

Did the manufacturer prevent customers from buying the product for their benefit? no for his benefit? Yes. Also, FA. to prevent something bad happening? yes
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1533
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the product some sort of fake?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2783
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was the product some sort of fake? no
Redwine (Redwine)
New member
Username: Redwine

Post Number: 978
Registered: 1-2011
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it happen in [LPTF list of centuries]?
Did it happen in [LPTF list of continents]?
Is specific location (like seaside, mountainside, urban, rural etc.) relevant?
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 4071
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 3:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the customers modify the product? Disassemble it? Is the product a: device? Substance? Food? Drink? Liquid? Relevant how it's packaged? Is it packaged? Will the bad thing affect the company negatively?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2784
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 4:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it happen in [LPTF list of centuries]? 21st
Did it happen in [LPTF list of continents]? North America - United States
Is specific location (like seaside, mountainside, urban, rural etc.) relevant? no

Did the customers modify the product? no Disassemble it? no

Is the product a: device? Substance? Food? Drink? Liquid? none of these

Relevant how it's packaged? no Is it packaged? yes Will the bad thing affect the company negatively? no
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1538
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 4:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the manufacturer make this product on purpose?

is it faulty in some way?
Redwine (Redwine)
New member
Username: Redwine

Post Number: 979
Registered: 1-2011
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 4:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The bad thing to happen would result from:
posessing the product?
using the product?
gaining benefit from the product?
selling (DOYD) product?

Is the product physical? Is it a service? Is it an e-product?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2785
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 4:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the manufacturer make this product on purpose? yes

is it faulty in some way? no

The bad thing to happen would result from:
posessing the product? no
using the product? no
gaining benefit from the product? yes
selling (DOYD) product? no

Is the product physical? yes Is it a service? no Is it an e-product? do you mean a product used online or on a computer? no.
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 14245
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Friday, August 12, 2011 - 10:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the manufacturers breaking the law?
Is a contest relevant?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2789
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 4:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the manufacturers breaking the law? no
Is a contest relevant? no
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1547
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 9:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it the worthless bonds produced by goldman sachs?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2791
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Saturday, August 13, 2011 - 2:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it the worthless bonds produced by goldman sachs? no, but this guess is at least near the right forest
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2799
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Tuesday, August 16, 2011 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Clarification (in case I intimidated anyone with my last answer, which seems likely given the absence of questions since Saturday!):

You do not need to know anything about worthless bonds, or any bonds. You do not need to know anything about Goldman Sachs. There is simply one way in which this guess is closer than all other guesses so far. But the puzzle requires NO specialized knowledge of any kind to answer. There are other ways to get to the answer than to follow my feeble attempt at a mini-hint, so if the previous post doesn't help you at all or intimidates you, please ignore it and pretend I didn't say anything.
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 4120
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 9:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it play money? Something that appears valuable but isn't? Are the customers breaking the law?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1566
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 9:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the item not so much a physical product, or at least a thing which represents something else? like insurance? debts?
Redwine (Redwine)
New member
Username: Redwine

Post Number: 987
Registered: 1-2011
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 2:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the item the planned, main product of the manufacturer? Or is it something produced from waste/leftovers after main production?

Did the customers who bought the product, store it at their houses? If yes, did they store it in living rooms? kitchens? bathrooms? garages? gardens? balconies? cellars? offices?
Did the customers who bought the product, have any relevant feature in common?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2803
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 5:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it play money? no, but... Something that appears valuable but isn't? no Are the customers breaking the law? no

is the item not so much a physical product, or at least a thing which represents something else? it is a physical product like insurance? no debts? no

Is the item the planned, main product of the manufacturer? yes Or is it something produced from waste/leftovers after main production? no

Did the customers who bought the product, store it at their houses? some did, most did not If yes, did they store it in living rooms? kitchens? bathrooms? not likely garages? gardens? not likely balconies? not likely cellars? offices? could be any of the others, but I'd guess that offices or bedrooms are probably the most likely choices

Did the customers who bought the product, have any relevant feature in common? yes
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 4134
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 5:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant which material(s) the product is made from? If so: metal? Plastic? Wood? Leather? Rubber? glass? Ceramics? Food? Liquid? Gas? String? Fabric? Paper?
Any relevant writing? Numbers? Is it electrical?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2805
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Wednesday, August 17, 2011 - 8:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant which material(s) the product is made from? If so: metal? this one. No others. Plastic? Wood? Leather? Rubber? glass? Ceramics? Food? Liquid? Gas? String? Fabric? Paper?

Any relevant writing? yes, there are a few words on the product Numbers? yes Is it electrical? no
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 4135
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 6:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Coins? Tokens?
Redwine (Redwine)
New member
Username: Redwine

Post Number: 998
Registered: 1-2011
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 9:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the product an advertising item of the manufacturer?

About the customers who bought the product, did they share: location? age? nationality? religion? political views? hobbies? family status? profession?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1586
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 11:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it counterfeit money?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2809
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 12:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Coins? YES Tokens? no

Is the product an advertising item of the manufacturer? no

About the customers who bought the product, did they share: location? age? nationality? religion? political views? hobbies? family status? profession? none of the above, but I suppose hobbies is closest.

is it counterfeit money? no. Remember, neither the manufacturer nor the customers were doing anything illegal.
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1595
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 1:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was there a flaw in the coins which made them valuable for collectors?
Redwine (Redwine)
New member
Username: Redwine

Post Number: 1001
Registered: 1-2011
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 1:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could one pay with those coins? Were they coins for collectioning?

Did they stop selling coins to make them rare and thus increase their value?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1596
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 1:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was there a flaw in the coins which made them valuable for collectors?
Vesica (Vesica)
New member
Username: Vesica

Post Number: 1811
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You say "no one wants" this product, yet there are buyers...Exploring further here.

Is the product one that comes as part of a larger product people do want?
Such as pretend money in a game?

Is the product designed to serve a purpose during shipping?
During the packing process in the plant?
During the time the product is at the store?
(Is the product sold at a brick-and-mortar stores?)

Is the product on that has a negative connotation?
Such as the physical slips used to write parking tickets...which no one wants to get?

Is the product one that no would wish to use, but once a circumstance occured, one would need it?
Like a product to treat cancer?

Is the product unusable?


(I do see that the product is coins...I was just trying to get at why no one wants it.)
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2812
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 10:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was there a flaw in the coins which made them valuable for collectors? no

Could one pay with those coins? yes Were they coins for collectioning? they were originally intended to attract collectors, yes

Did they stop selling coins to make them rare and thus increase their value? no

You say "no one wants" this product, by the way, "no one" is admittedly a bit of an exaggeration, but not by much yet there are buyers...Exploring further here.

Is the product one that comes as part of a larger product people do want? no
Such as pretend money in a game? no

Is the product designed to serve a purpose during shipping? no
During the packing process in the plant? no
During the time the product is at the store? no
(Is the product sold at a brick-and-mortar stores?) no!

Is the product on that has a negative connotation? no
Such as the physical slips used to write parking tickets...which no one wants to get? no

Is the product one that no would wish to use, but once a circumstance occured, one would need it? no
Like a product to treat cancer? no

Is the product unusable? no, the coins are legal tender


(I do see that the product is coins...I was just trying to get at why no one wants it.)
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 14371
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 11:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they US coins? State quarters? "Landmark" quarters? Presidential dollars?
Solitiare (Solitiare)
New member
Username: Solitiare

Post Number: 140
Registered: 7-2011
Posted on Thursday, August 18, 2011 - 11:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ia there any way I can e-mail you?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2813
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 2:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are they US coins? State quarters? "Landmark" quarters? Presidential dollars? this one

Is there any way I can e-mail you?
I emailed you, you can reply to me
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2814
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 12:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Since you've figured out one milestone, I think it's time for an updated puzzle statement.

The US government has discovered, to its dismay, that Americans are just not interested in the presidential dollar coins that are currently being minted in enormous quantities. Some people did start buying the dollar coins, but after some time, the US government decided to prevent those customers from buying any more of the product. No one was doing anything illegal with the coins, and the government still has way more of the coins than it needs or knows what to do with. So why has the US government prevented these people from buying presidential dollar coins? (fyi, everything said above also applies to Sacajawea coins)
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 14385
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 2:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because they're rarely used?
Are they still worth a dollar? Less? More?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2816
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 3:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because they're rarely used? that's true, but it's not why the government stopped letting these people buy them.
Are they still worth a dollar? yes Less? More?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1615
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 3:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the government only stop certain people buying them?

were these people US citizens? dealers? foreign governments?

were they stockpiling the coins?
Vesica (Vesica)
New member
Username: Vesica

Post Number: 1819
Registered: 8-2001
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are the coins being purchased by folks outside the US?
I know that some ridiculous percetage of US money is never even used in the US...

Are people hoarding the coins?
Are people melting down the coins?
Is the metal composition of the coins relevant?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2817
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the government only stop certain people buying them? no, not technically

were these people US citizens? US residents; it is irrelevant whether they were citizens or not dealers? foreign governments?

were they stockpiling the coins? no

Are the coins being purchased by folks outside the US? not for the purposes of the situation in this puzzle
I know that some ridiculous percetage of US money is never even used in the US... True. An interesting aside is that it turns out that US dollar coins are extremely popular in certain Central American, South American, and Caribbean countries where many/most daily transactions are carried out in cash, using US currency. They owe their popularity there to their durability, since people and businesses in those countries can't just walk into a bank and easily exchange a worn out dollar bill for a new one like we can here. But all of this is completely irrelevant. For this puzzle, we're talking about certain US residents buying the coins.

Are people hoarding the coins? no
Are people melting down the coins? no
Is the metal composition of the coins relevant? no
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1620
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 5:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do all these people have something in common? their profession? a hobby?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2818
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do all these people have something in common? yes their profession? no a hobby? yesish/yope
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1623
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, August 19, 2011 - 11:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they all coin collectors?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2819
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Saturday, August 20, 2011 - 2:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they all coin collectors? no

And let me add that I would not call it a hobby, but I think that at least some of them do. I wasn't really sure how to answer the hobby question, and now I'm doubting whether my original answer was the right one.
Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member
Username: Sundowner

Post Number: 873
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 12:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the people who bought these dollars use them in any "off-label" way? as replacement or makeshift replacement for some other item? for an item that is usually more expensive than one dollar?
Does the hobby involve sports? playing? gambling? arts? collecting?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2825
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 12:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the people who bought these dollars use them in any "off-label" way? no as replacement or makeshift replacement for some other item? no for an item that is usually more expensive than one dollar? no
Does the hobby involve sports? playing? gambling? arts? collecting? this one
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 14445
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they collect presidential memorabilia?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2827
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 5:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they collect presidential memorabilia? no
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1659
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Tuesday, August 23, 2011 - 9:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do they collect things with flaws in them?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2829
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 12:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do they collect things with flaws in them? no
Ostap (Ostap)
New member
Username: Ostap

Post Number: 102
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 1:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they collect these coins? or do they in fact collect something else and use the coins for something that is related to collecting the other items?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2832
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Wednesday, August 24, 2011 - 3:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they collect these coins? no or do they in fact collect something else yes and use the coins for something no! that is related to collecting the other items? yes

I had to break down the previous question because I couldn't figure out how to answer it in its entirety.
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 4230
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2011 - 12:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they keep the coins? Give them to someone else? Put them somewhere? Relevant how many coins each they buy? When they buy the coins, do they get the thing they're collecting too? would this happen if the coins were not legal tender? Or if they were not collectible?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2836
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2011 - 1:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they keep the coins? no Give them to someone else? noish Put them somewhere? no Relevant how many coins each they buy? yesish When they buy the coins, do they get the thing they're collecting too? yes would this happen if the coins were not legal tender? yes (if by "this" you mean that they would still get the thing they're collecting) Or if they were not collectible? yes
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1687
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2011 - 10:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they more interested in the box or display case the coins come in?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2839
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2011 - 11:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are they more interested in the box or display case the coins come in? no
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2846
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 12:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

HINT: you're all being TOO SPECIFIC trying to guess what is being collected. Back up and ask more general questions about what's being collected first. You'll need to get specific again eventually, but being that specific now is making it harder on yourselves than it needs to be.
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 4306
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 1:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the thing collected made from: metal? Plastic? Wood? Leather? Rubber? glass? Ceramics? Food? Liquid? Gas? String? Fabric? Paper? Stone? Glue? Is it a substance? Does it have a relevant smell? Or taste?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2849
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 5:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the thing collected made from: metal? Plastic? Wood? Leather? Rubber? glass? Ceramics? Food? Liquid? Gas? String? Fabric? Paper? Stone? Glue? Is it a substance? Does it have a relevant smell? Or taste?
No to all!!
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1745
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Thursday, September 01, 2011 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the thing collected not a tangible object?

is it a serial number?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2850
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2011 - 2:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the thing collected not a tangible object? yes

is it a serial number? no
Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member
Username: Sundowner

Post Number: 915
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2011 - 8:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do these people order the coins at the US Mint? (by mail? by internet? by phone?) Do they get the coins shipped to their home? Relevant how they pay?
Do they get the things they are collecting at the moment when they order the coins? when they receive the coins? when they pay for them?
Does a typical collector of these items own up to 10? up to 100? up to 1000? up to 10000? more? several millions? of them?
Would it alternatively be possible to buy these items? to obtain them in some other way? but through the US presidential dollars is the least expensive way?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2851
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2011 - 12:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do these people order the coins at the US Mint? yes(by mail? by internet? definitely this one. I'm not sure about the other two. by phone?)
Do they get the coins shipped to their home? irrelevant Relevant how they pay? yes

Do they get the things they are collecting at the moment when they order the coins? when they receive the coins? when they pay for them? this one

Does a typical collector of these items own up to 10? up to 100? up to 1000? up to 10000? more? several millions? of them? hard to answer. Typical people might have somewhere in the 100s to the 10000s. The people relevant to this puzzle could easily have in the 100,000s or even millions

Would it alternatively be possible to buy these items? no to obtain them in some other way? yes but through the US presidential dollars is the least expensive way? yes
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 4320
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2011 - 1:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they pay with: cash? Credit card? Check? Bank transfer? US presidential dollars? Relevant that they buy the coils form the treasury? Or could they buy them from somewhere else? Relevant how they get the coins? Do they pay: when ordering? Before reception? On reception+ Afterwards? Relevant?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2853
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, September 02, 2011 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do they pay with: cash? Credit card? this one Check? Bank transfer? US presidential dollars?

Relevant that they buy the coils form the treasury? see next Or could they buy them from somewhere else? I think the treasury is the only place they could have paid with a credit card.

Relevant how they get the coins? you mean, how they're delivered? No. Do they pay: when ordering? they use their credit card when ordering Before reception? On reception+ Afterwards? and actually pay for it afterwards, when their credit card is due, I suppose Relevant? no
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1761
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2011 - 10:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't even know what a US presidential coin is, but are they worth their face value? more? less?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1762
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2011 - 11:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

are these people holding onto the coins until they've all been issued - maybe the complete set will be worth more?

is the thing the people gain knowledge? education?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1768
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2011 - 6:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is there one particular president that no-one wants to buy? like Nixon?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2855
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Saturday, September 03, 2011 - 10:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't even know what a US presidential coin is, but are they worth their face value? They're just one dollar coins with pictures of US presidents on them. A one dollar presidential coin is worth one dollar. more? less?

are these people holding onto the coins until they've all been issued - maybe the complete set will be worth more? no

is the thing the people gain knowledge? no education? no

is there one particular president that no-one wants to buy? no like Nixon? actually I don't think the Mint has gotten to making Nixon coins yet (they're making coins for each president in order), but it's irrelevant. This puzzle applies equally to all presidential coins and also Sacagawea coins
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1775
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Monday, September 05, 2011 - 9:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have a solid silver 100 peso piece which is worth more than 100 pesos

do these coins actually get used as currency?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2857
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 8:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do these coins actually get used as currency? yes
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1811
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 5:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

but the ones we're talking about are the ones ordered from the Treasury?

is it relevant that they paid by credit card?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2859
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Wednesday, September 07, 2011 - 6:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

but the ones we're talking about are the ones ordered from the Treasury? yes

is it relevant that they paid by credit card? yes
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1814
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Thursday, September 08, 2011 - 8:21 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do they have to pay a premium for using a credit card?

do they benefit from the delay in purchasing the coins and paying off their credit card?

credit card receipts relevant?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2860
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 1:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do they have to pay a premium for using a credit card? no

do they benefit from the delay in purchasing the coins and paying off their credit card? no

credit card receipts relevant? you mean like the credit card bill? No. If you mean something else, what do you mean?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1820
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 8:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*sigh* I don't know what I mean any more!
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2861
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, September 09, 2011 - 7:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

*sigh* I don't know what I mean any more! haha, that's ok. We'll just pretend that question doesn't exist, since neither of us knows what you meant by it. =)
Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member
Username: Galfisk

Post Number: 4359
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 11:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To recap: people buy coins fomr the US treasury. When they pay for the coins by credit card, they get something relevant, which is intangible.
Correct?
Do we need to figure out what this thing is exactly? Or what they do with it afterwards? Did the mint decide not to sell more coins to them because of this intangible thing?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2864
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 1:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To recap: people buy coins from the US treasury. When they pay for the coins by credit card, they get something relevant, which is intangible.
Correct?
yes

Do we need to figure out what this thing is exactly? yes Or what they do with it afterwards? no, but when you figure out what it is, it's pretty obvious what they do with it

Did the mint decide not to sell more coins to them because of this intangible thing? yes
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1842
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 1:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do they get some sort of discount? like a tax discount?

does part of the payment go towards another organisation? is it because when people use their credit cards they get air miles? loyalty points? a donation goes to a charity?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2865
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Monday, September 12, 2011 - 8:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do they get some sort of discount? like a tax discount?

does part of the payment go towards another organisation? is it because when people use their credit cards they get air miles? YES!!! This! no to rest. loyalty points? a donation goes to a charity?
Shez (Shez)
New member
Username: Shez

Post Number: 1846
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 12:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so people were buying the coins at face value but accruing lots of air miles? why did they want to stop them? presumably the credit card companies finance the air miles?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2867
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 2:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so people were buying the coins at face value but accruing lots of air miles? yes why did they want to stop them? hmm - see below presumably the credit card companies finance the air miles? yes - see below

If you can figure the "why" part out in full, great, but it's not essential for solving the puzzle. Tell me what makes this situation unique among ways to earn credit card miles, and I'll consider it solved.
Enjay (Enjay)
New member
Username: Enjay

Post Number: 1366
Registered: 4-2007
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 9:18 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The fact that they are not losing anything, because they are gaining back all the money they spend in the form of coins? So they could get an unlimited supply of free airmiles?
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2870
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 4:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The fact that they are not losing anything, because they are gaining back all the money they spend in the form of coins? yes So they could get an unlimited supply of free airmiles? yes

***SPOILER***

The 50 States quarter program in the US was a resounding success. People got excited each time new quarters were released, and a significant portion of the population decided to start a quarter collection. Coin collecting (of real, currently circulating coins) is a good money maker for the government because at least for the higher value coins (but not the penny, for example), the face value of the coin is less than the cost of manufacturing it.

Congress attempted to capitalize on the success of the 50 States Quarter program, passing a law in 2005 requiring the creation of $1 coins of all the US presidents, in order. So now the US Mint makes tons and tons of Presidential $1 coins each year, as required by law. In addition, they also make tons of Sacagawea coins, because of a strange stipulation in the law that requires a certain proportion of $1 coins manufactured to be Sacagawea dollars.

Congress thought the law was a great deal. After all, it only takes 30 cents or so to make the coins, but people have to pay $1 to obtain them. Unfortunately, they failed to take into consideration the fact that Americans just don't like carrying around $1 coins. There are now somewhere approaching a billion $1 coins that nobody wants sitting around in secured warehouses.

The coins can be obtained from the Treasury Department via the internet. There are groups (on message boards, etc.) within the US Population that are composed of people who spend a lot of time and energy trying to scam their way into as many credit card miles as possible, and then using them to take free vacations. These groups realized that they could collect enormous quantities of free airline miles by ordering boxes of $1 coins, which they immediately deposited at the bank upon receipt.

The banks have no use for the coins, since they won't give them to their customers unless the customers specifically request $1 coins. So when the banks get the coins, they return them to the Treasury, which returns them to one of the storage warehouses.

Not only does this cost the credit card companies a fortune in free unearned trips, which isn't fair and also isn't all that good for the economy at a time when many financial institutions are still struggling, it's also a very bad deal for the government. See, the Treasury had made the decision to cover shipping costs. So every time one of these people ordered heavy boxes full of $1 coins to get free airline miles, taxpayers were bearing the burden of shipping those heavy boxes across the country twice -- once to the credit card mile collector, and then again from the bank to the Treasury!

They were finally able to put an end to this problem by getting approval to eliminate credit cards as an option for purchasing $1 coins (In typical bureaucratic fashion, it took a very long time for that approval to come). So now, the government still has warehouses full of $1 coins that no one wants, and is still required by law to keep manufacturing them, but at least taxpayers and credit card companies are no longer financing free vacations!

One interesting aside: Back in the Susan B Anthony dollar days, the government urged people to switch to dollar coins because the durability of coins made them less expensive than dollar bills for the government in the long run. People still quote this as fact; however, it is no longer true. Modern dollar bills are so much more durable than they used to be that they're now the more cost effective option.


Out of curiosity, has anyone actually seen one of the Presidential $1 coins in person? I've seen lots of the Sacagawea ones, but never a Presidential one.
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2871
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 4:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oops, the first paragraph should have said that the face value is MORE than the cost of manufacturing
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 14786
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice puzzle!

To answer your question, yes; the first time was when a guy put one in a vending machine thinking it was a quarter. It came out in the coin return slot; as the next customer, I found it and gave it back when the guy returned. (It was a Washington, BTW)
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member
Username: Kayleetonkslupin

Post Number: 4346
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 6:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I haz wun my mom givz me...truman? iz nawt enuf for cheezburgur, so I keepz it...but nawt knoez where it went rite nao...
Balin (Balin)
New member
Username: Balin

Post Number: 14789
Registered: 4-2010
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 6:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They haven't released Truman yet; they're only up to Hayes.
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member
Username: Kayleetonkslupin

Post Number: 4349
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Tuesday, September 13, 2011 - 7:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oh...huh, can't remember then. I iz thinkz beginz with t tho...could be wrong. I haz not seen in a while...dunno where it iz went.
Noel (Noel)
New member
Username: Noel

Post Number: 2874
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 1:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My vending machine at school returns $1 coins as change if you pay with a $5 bill, but the only time I've ever done that, my change was all Sacagawea dollars. I don't know if they ever put Presidential dollar coins in there instead.
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member
Username: Kayleetonkslupin

Post Number: 4357
Registered: 9-2010
Posted on Wednesday, September 14, 2011 - 3:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

kaylee kitteh can haz bad memory...but located dollar. Iz Millard Fillmore. iz no t anywere in dat...*face-pawz*
Kalira (Kalira)
New member
Username: Kalira

Post Number: 742
Registered: 2-2009
Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 4:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have a Millard Fillmore and a James K. Polk in my wallet... used to have a few more, but I used them at a yard sale 'cause I didn't have any other small "bills." Back when I worked on an Army base, our change machine returned them, and there were signs on the vending machines that said something along the lines of "Yes, we take presidential dollar coins." Apparently they had to clarify...

Add Your Message Here
Post:
Username: Posting Information:
This is a private posting area. Only registered users and moderators may post messages here.
Password:
Options: Enable HTML code in message
Automatically activate URLs in message
Action: