| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14362 Registered: 4-2010 |
A man attempted suicide and tried to make it look like murder. Because he failed, people knew it was not murder. How? | ||
| Yatin509 (Yatin509)
New member Username: Yatin509 Post Number: 194 Registered: 6-2011 |
Did he tried to shoot(with a gun) himself? Did he tried to hurt himself to some sharp think? Did he tried to break any part of his body? Jumped from a building? Tried to block to supply of oxygen? The place at which he was relevant? Home? Office? Hospital? Man = He? Did he told that it wasn't a murder attempt but he tried to suicide after e survived? Did he stopped the attempt to suicide on his own? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4137 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he fail to die? Or did he just fail to make it look like murder? Did he fail to even get hurt? Did he try to pin it on a specific person? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1807 Registered: 8-2001 |
People = revelant who? The police? The person that found him? Just to check: Did he die? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14367 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he tried to shoot(with a gun) himself? No Did he tried to hurt himself to some sharp think? No Did he tried to break any part of his body? No Jumped from a building? No Tried to block to supply of oxygen? No The place at which he was relevant? Not really, but... Home? ...assume it was here. Office? Hospital? Man = He? Yes Did he told that it wasn't a murder attempt but he tried to suicide after e survived? No Did he stopped the attempt to suicide on his own? Yope Did he fail to die? Or did he just fail to make it look like murder? Both Did he fail to even get hurt? Yope Did he try to pin it on a specific person? No People = revelant who? Yes The police? Yes The person that found him? Yes Just to check: Did he die? No | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1006 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did the man try to make it look like murder by: preparing material evidence? preparing signs on his body? making someone else been seen at the scene on certain time? Relevant who would be suspected of muder? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14382 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the man try to make it look like murder by: preparing material evidence? Yes/Yope preparing signs on his body? Yope making someone else been seen at the scene on certain time? No Relevant who would be suspected of muder? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4172 Registered: 9-2009 |
Attempted cause of death: trauma? Heat? Cold? Poison/overdose? Blood loss? Disease? Organ failure? Did he swallow anything relevant? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4173 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was he found conscious? Would he have succeeded, had he been found later? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14387 Registered: 4-2010 |
Attempted cause of death: None of these, but... trauma? Heat? Cold? Poison/overdose? ...this is relevant Blood loss? Disease? Organ failure? Did he swallow anything relevant? Yes Was he found conscious? No Would he have succeeded, had he been found later? Possibly but not very likely | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4174 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he swallow: a substance? An object? Several objects? Food? Drink? Did he swallow something poisonous? Something he thought was poisonous? did whatever he swallowed cause him to fall unconscious? | ||
| Vesica (Vesica)
New member Username: Vesica Post Number: 1822 Registered: 8-2001 |
Did he write some sort of note? Scrawl a message in his blood? Is it relevant why he was discovered? Is it relevant who he was trying to frame? His spouse? Child? Parent? Friend? Mistress? Coworker? Boss? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14389 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he swallow: a substance? This An object? Several objects? Food? Drink? And this Did he swallow something poisonous? Yope Something he thought was poisonous? He knew exactly what it was did whatever he swallowed cause him to fall unconscious? Yes Did he write some sort of note? No Scrawl a message in his blood? No Is it relevant why he was discovered? Yes, if I understand the question correctly Is it relevant who he was trying to frame? I earlier said no, but it's actually a Yes. (BLOOPER) His spouse? Yes, his wife Child? Parent? Friend? Mistress? Coworker? Boss? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1622 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he swallow prescription drugs? sleeping tablets? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14398 Registered: 4-2010 |
did he swallow prescription drugs? No sleeping tablets? Yes | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1628 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he make it look as if the pills had been put in his food? his drink? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14406 Registered: 4-2010 |
did he make it look as if the pills had been put in his food? his drink? This I think you have at least one FA. | ||
| Danielvs (Danielvs)
New member Username: Danielvs Post Number: 444 Registered: 9-2006 |
Was he found unconscious? Was he found by the police? Someone of his family? Someone else? Relevant to find out why he attempted suicide in the first place? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14410 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was he found unconscious? Yes Was he found by the police? Someone of his family? This Someone else? Relevant to find out why he attempted suicide in the first place? No | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4188 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did he want to make it look like: he was forced to swallow the pills? He was tricked into it? Were the pills intact when he swallowed them? Relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14413 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he want to make it look like: he was forced to swallow the pills? No He was tricked into it? Yes Were the pills intact when he swallowed them? Yes Relevant? Not particularly | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1641 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he leave behind some pills crushed up or dissolved in a drink? because he was found unconscious, did they discover that he had swallowed pills whole and therefore could not have been tricked in that way? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1008 Registered: 1-2011 |
Did he want the pills to kill him? Or only to make him unconscious? If the latter, did he attempt to die shot? stabbed? drowned? strangled? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14424 Registered: 4-2010 |
did he leave behind some pills crushed up or dissolved in a drink? No because he was found unconscious, did they discover that he had swallowed pills whole and therefore could not have been tricked in that way? No, but good thought Did he want the pills to kill him? No -- possible FA cleared! Or only to make him unconscious? Yes If the latter, did he attempt to die shot? stabbed? drowned? strangled? This, slight -ish | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1848 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did he hang himself? Try to suffocate himself by placing something over his head? Seeing as the method of death obviously didn't work, is it merely relevant that had it been murder, the murderer would have clearly realized that he had not been "properly" hanged or suffocated, and "corrected" it? Whereas he couldn't because he was unconscious? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14447 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he hang himself? Yes AND No Try to suffocate himself by placing something over his head? So no Seeing as the method of death obviously didn't work, is it merely relevant that had it been murder, the murderer would have clearly realized that he had not been "properly" hanged or suffocated, and "corrected" it? Yes, but... Whereas he couldn't because he was unconscious? Yes | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 7 Registered: 8-2011 |
To clarify: The man attempted suicide by first taking a number of sleeping pills to eventually knock himself out and then ("yes AND no") hanging himself. Something went awry and he did not die. It was obvious that it could not be a murder because a conscious murderer would have been able to correct whatever went awry. We are to find out the method of the "murder" and the error. Is that correct so far? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14463 Registered: 4-2010 |
To clarify: The man attempted suicide by first taking a number of sleeping pills to eventually knock himself out and then ("yes AND no") hanging himself. Right. The "yes and no" stems from the fact that he did plan to hang himself, but... Something went awry and he did not die. Yes It was obvious that it could not be a murder because a conscious murderer would have been able to correct whatever went awry. Sort of, yes. Don't focus too much on this question. We are to find out the method of the "murder" and the error. Is that correct so far? Just the error; you know the method of the "murder." | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4260 Registered: 9-2010 |
i iz awlready confuseded kitteh...*sigh* | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 14 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was the rope (or other hanging implement) too long? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14467 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the rope (or other hanging implement) too long? No i iz awlready confuseded kitteh...*sigh* I'll RECAP -- you're all very close to the solution. A man attempted to commit suicide and make it look like murder (framing his wife) by swallowing sleeping pills and hanging himself. However, he made a crucial mistake and was discovered, alive, by his wife. Because of his mistake, the police knew that it was a failed suicide attempt and not an attempt at murder. HINT: Try not to overthink this...it's very simple. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1850 Registered: 6-2008 |
Did he plan to fall asleep and then fall off something into a noose? whereas he fell in another direction and his head cleared the noose entirely? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1662 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he fail to hang himself because he fell unconscious before getting around to sticking his head in the noose? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14474 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he plan to fall asleep and then fall off something into a noose? whereas he fell in another direction and his head cleared the noose entirely? Nope... did he fail to hang himself because he fell unconscious before getting around to sticking his head in the noose? ...but Yep. **********SPOILER********** A man wanted to commit suicide and frame his wife for murdering him. He decided to do this by swallowing sleeping pills with his morning coffee (he and his wife had coffee together), then, after she left, quickly setting up a noose and hanging himself, so that the police would think she'd drugged and hanged him before leaving. However, the sleeping pills took effect after he'd set up the noose but before he'd stuck his head in it. His wife came home earlier than expected and found him unconscious on the floor below a noose; thus, the police knew right away that it was a suicide attempt. Nice work everyone, nice solve Shez. Let me see what you think of my next puzzle down below. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1674 Registered: 2-2011 |
thanks Balin, nice puzzle |
