| Author | Message | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1887 Registered: 12-2010 |
Death rates for a harmless activity have risen exponentially. Warning: This one's somewhat silly. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14534 Registered: 4-2010 |
Have the death rates for this activity actually risen? By a lot? Does this puzzle involve a headline? Actual statistics? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1889 Registered: 12-2010 |
Have the death rates for this activity actually risen? not that I know of By a lot? no Does this puzzle involve a headline? no Actual statistics? yope | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14543 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is a typo relevant? A mistranslation? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1891 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is a typo relevant? A mistranslation? no to both | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4286 Registered: 9-2010 |
a deliberate misunderstanding? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1893 Registered: 12-2010 |
a deliberate misunderstanding? yesish | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14549 Registered: 4-2010 |
Activity: a sport? Game? Something very physically active? Have the death rates "risen" among all people? A certain group of people? Children? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1898 Registered: 12-2010 |
Activity: a sport? Game? Something very physically active? no to all Have the death rates "risen" among all people? A certain group of people? Children? unknown/irrel, but it's an activity children hardly ever do | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 62 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is it a quiet activity, such as reading, knitting, or LTPF? :-) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1899 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it a quiet activity, such as reading, knitting, or LTPF? :-) it is a quiet activity, but none of these. And I hope LTPF death rates don't rise! | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 65 Registered: 8-2011 |
"I hope LTPF death rates don't rise!"- I was thinking of the characters in the puzzles. There seems to be an unusual number of unusual deaths on this forum. Not that I mind. :P | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4254 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does the activity require the use of: hands? Feet? Eyes? Ears? Nose? Can an ape do it? A cow? A snake? Does it require an object? Can it be done inside? In a tree? Underground? In bed? In the dark? In a boat? By a goat? Is it something most grownups have done? Is it done regularly? Can it be done alone? Is it done for fun? Relaxation? Is it annoying? Has anyone died from doing it? Or while doing it? Does it take: seconds? Minutes? Hours? Can it be done underwater? Is water involved? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1902 Registered: 12-2010 |
"I hope LTPF death rates don't rise!"- I was thinking of the characters in the puzzles. There seems to be an unusual number of unusual deaths on this forum. Not that I mind. :P you're right about that :D Does the activity require the use of: hands? usually this Feet? Eyes? this-ish Ears? Nose? Can an ape do it? no A cow? no A snake? no Does it require an object? yes Can it be done inside? yes In a tree? depends on something, but it's unlikely that someone would do it on a tree Underground? see previous answer In bed? yes In the dark? yes, but it would be more difficult In a boat? maybe, depends on something By a goat? noez Is it something most grownups have done? no Is it done regularly? some do it regularly, some don't Can it be done alone? yes, and it usually is Is it done for fun? some do it for fun Relaxation? some do it for relaxation Is it annoying? the result can be annoying Has anyone died from doing it? unknown, but probably not Or while doing it? unknown Does it take: seconds? Minutes? Hours? minutes to hours Can it be done underwater? no Is water involved? no Summing up your questions: - animals can't do this - an object is involved, and you need your hands and usually your eyes to do it - it's usually done inside and alone, but it can be done in other places under specific circumstances - it usually takes minutes to hours - it's unknown but unlikely that anyone has ever died from it | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 902 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is a computer required to do it? a mobile phone? a tv? a game console? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4255 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the object changed? Consumed? Is something produced? Is the activity useful? Is the result useful? Could it be done: 10 years ago? 20? 50? 100? 500? 5000? Is string involved? Is the object made from: fiber? Metal? Plastic? Wood? Rubber? ceramics? Glass? Leather? Bone? Glue? Food? Liquid? Gas? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1905 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is a computer required to do it? yes a mobile phone? a tv? a game console? no to rest Is the object changed? no Consumed? no Is something produced? yes for svv of produced Is the activity useful? sometimes Is the result useful? sometimes Could it be done: 10 years ago? yes 20? 50? 100? 500? 5000? no to rest Is string involved? no Is the object made from: fiber? Metal? Plastic? Wood? Rubber? ceramics? Glass? Leather? Bone? Glue? Food? Liquid? Gas? I don't answer these because Sundowner has identified the object as a computer | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14555 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is writing relevant? Sending e-mail? Social networking? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1907 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is writing relevant? this Sending e-mail? Social networking? no to rest | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14558 Registered: 4-2010 |
Writing stories? Articles? Blog posts? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1908 Registered: 12-2010 |
Writing stories? no Articles? no Blog posts? yes! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14563 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are more people blogging than ever before? More of a certain category of people? Old people? Are people creating blogs from the perspective of dead people? In memoriam? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1910 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are more people blogging than ever before? More of a certain category of people? Old people? Are people creating blogs from the perspective of dead people? In memoriam? all are irrel | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3429 Registered: 1-2001 |
Thanks for that 'silly' warning! By "death rate", do you mean for humans? For something non-human? For an abstract concept or idea? Possible (but unlikely) meaning: the death rate for time has increased since people are "killing time" by blogging? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1912 Registered: 12-2010 |
By "death rate", do you mean for humans? most likely For something non-human? unlikely For an abstract concept or idea? even less likely Possible (but unlikely) meaning: the death rate for time has increased since people are "killing time" by blogging? clever idea! But no... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 14572 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is it brain cells that are being "killed"? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4295 Registered: 9-2010 |
o noez...plz doez nawt kill brayn cellz...heer, can haz cheezburgur to unkillz dem... anything to do with the LTPF at all, other than that you posted the puzzle here? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1913 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it brain cells that are being "killed"? no anything to do with the LTPF at all, other than that you posted the puzzle here? noez | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1918 Registered: 12-2010 |
HINT: I answered yope to "Does this puzzle involve actual statistics?" - explore. And I think there might be an FA about the wording. | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1677 Registered: 9-2009 |
Searching on the Internet relevant? If so, searching for people? For various topics? Are real people being literally killed? Or just disappearing from a virtual world? You said computers are relevant -- are also smartphones / pads etc. relevant, or only computers as such? If the latter does it matter: access to the internet? Memory? HD capacity? Their physical characteristics (being somehow hard to transport, etc)? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 85 Registered: 8-2011 |
The yope-ish actual statistics- are there actual but incorrect statistics? actual but misleading statistics (as in, if your parents never had children then statistics show that you will also have decreased childbearing potential)? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 910 Registered: 6-2003 |
Relevant that people simply spend more time with blogging? and so, also the probability to die while blogging increased? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1920 Registered: 12-2010 |
Searching on the Internet relevant? If so, searching for people? For various topics? no to all Are real people being literally killed? thisish Or just disappearing from a virtual world? no You said computers are relevant -- are also smartphones / pads etc. relevant, or only computers as such? If the latter does it matter: access to the internet? Memory? HD capacity? Their physical characteristics (being somehow hard to transport, etc)? The relevant activity is blogging, so every device that can be used to post/edit blog posts with is relevant. Other features of the devices are irrel The yope-ish actual statistics- are there actual but incorrect statistics? there are, small HINT, two statistics. One is correct-ish, the other one is not correct actual but misleading statistics (as in, if your parents never had children then statistics show that you will also have decreased childbearing potential)? thisish, too Relevant that people simply spend more time with blogging? and so, also the probability to die while blogging increased? good idea, but no | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3438 Registered: 1-2001 |
Are deaths being attributed to something which could be a side-effect of reading blogs? An example would be a distracted driver who wrecks the car while looking at a blog on their phone. | ||
| Abc (Abc)
Moderator Username: Abc Post Number: 317 Registered: 7-2006 |
Is this a case of the logical fallacy "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" (Since B follows A, A must be caused by B)? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1923 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are deaths being attributed to something which could be a side-effect of reading blogs? An example would be a distracted driver who wrecks the car while looking at a blog on their phone. good idea, but no, and I think you're all somewhat OTWT because your thinking is too complex. Is this a case of the logical fallacy "post hoc, ergo propter hoc" (Since B follows A, A must be caused by B)? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1731 Registered: 2-2011 |
is this something to do with suicide blogs? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1924 Registered: 12-2010 |
is this something to do with suicide blogs? no HINT: The first "statistic" was published online. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1928 Registered: 12-2010 |
b{Here's a RECAP: The death rates for blogging have "risen exponentially". I put that into quotation marks because they haven't actually risen and because this is a somewhat silly puzzle. There are two relevant the statistics, the first one is correct-ish and was published online. The second one is not correct and makes it look as if death rates had risen. HINT: It was not published anywhere. Time or brain cells being "killed", suicide blogs, side-effects of reading blogs such as distraction, the features of the device you blog with and the increased amount of bloggers are not relevant.} | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4330 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does the published statistic concern: death? computer use? Blogs? Rising rates of anything? An exponential curve? Deaths from <cause>? Causes of death relevant? Is statistic B inferred from statistic A? Did you come up with statistic B yourself? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1931 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does the published statistic concern: death? yes computer use? only blogging Blogs? yes Rising rates of anything? no, good q An exponential curve? no Deaths from <cause>? yes! Causes of death relevant? yesish Is statistic B inferred from statistic A? yesish Did you come up with statistic B yourself? yope Good and (hopefully) helpful round of questions! | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1860 Registered: 6-2008 |
So there is a single statistic relating to both death and blogs? Does it involve to the number of people who had a blog still up on the internet the day they died? the number of blog posts announcing deaths? the number of times the word "death" (or a synonym) appeared in the texts of blogs? Do the statistics appear to compare the death rate from blogging to the death rate from some other cause? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1939 Registered: 12-2010 |
So there is a single statistic relating to both death and blogs? correct Does it involve to the number of people who had a blog still up on the internet the day they died? no the number of blog posts announcing deaths? no the number of times the word "death" (or a synonym) appeared in the texts of blogs? no Do the statistics appear to compare the death rate from blogging to the death rate from some other cause? the first statistic does, yes. good q! | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4356 Registered: 9-2009 |
Something else: computer related? Harmless? Dangerous? Fun? Likely to cause death? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1944 Registered: 12-2010 |
Something else: computer related? no Harmless? yes Dangerous? yes Fun? yes Likely to cause death? not really likely, but since some of the "something elses" are dangerous, they're more likely to cause death than blogging is. | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1867 Registered: 6-2008 |
Is the "something else" an activity? a sport? a hobby? Traveling? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1945 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the "something else" an activity? a sport? a hobby? Traveling? there's more than one "something else", and most of them could be called activities or hobbies, some of them are sports. HINT: Find out how the data for the statistics was collected. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1874 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the data collected from insurance companies? hospitals? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1946 Registered: 12-2010 |
was the data collected from insurance companies? hospitals? no You're all thinking too big here. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 1883 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the data colllected from a blog?? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1947 Registered: 12-2010 |
was the data colllected from a blog?? no, but OTRT | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4388 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was it statistics from a web server? Some other automatically connected statistic? Is actual, human death relevant? Or something else called "dead"? Such as a dead website? Or a dead connection? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1948 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it statistics from a web server? no Some other automatically connected statistic? no Is actual, human death relevant? yes Or something else called "dead"? Such as a dead website? Or a dead connection? no to those | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 176 Registered: 8-2011 |
Data collected from an online quiz or poll? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1950 Registered: 12-2010 |
Data collected from an online quiz or poll? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15025 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the data collected from a print source? From online? From databases? From obituaries? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1989 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the data collected from a print source? From online? this, no to rest From databases? From obituaries? Thanks for finally posting a question on this one, Balin! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15029 Registered: 4-2010 |
I'd been stuck for a while Was it collected from a website? From multiple websites? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1991 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it collected from a website? no From multiple websites? yes! | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15037 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it collected from blogs? Wouldn't that be ironic... | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1993 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was it collected from blogs? maybe for the first statistic, and yesish for the second | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15047 Registered: 4-2010 |
From news sites? From satirical sites (like The Onion)? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 1999 Registered: 12-2010 |
From news sites? possibly From satirical sites (like The Onion)? possibly What'd be a more or less good method to find out how many sites mention blogging-related deaths? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15057 Registered: 4-2010 |
Google it? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2002 Registered: 12-2010 |
Google it? YES! Updated RECAP, with the new information in italics - The death rates for blogging have "risen exponentially". I put that into quotation marks because they haven't actually risen and because this is a somewhat silly puzzle. There are two relevant the statistics, the first one is correct-ish and was published online. The second one is not correct and makes it look as if death rates had risen. The data for the first statistic was collected by googling a certain phrase for several kinds of deaths, including blogging. The second statistic was not publishes anywhere because I "collected" the data myself. | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15062 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the phrase include "death by..."? "Death while..."? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2007 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the phrase include "death by..."? "Death while..."? the exact phrase is not relevant, and I won't give it to you so that you can't google it. Consider this a HINT (; | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4461 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did the stat only concern the number of google results for the various searches on "death by <cause>"? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2014 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did the stat only concern the number of google results for the various searches on "death by <cause>"? yep | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4481 Registered: 9-2009 |
Ok, so you have one stat showing that a search for "death by blogging" (or similar) gets a certain amount of result on google. Do you infer the other stat from this alone? Or from this and other "death by" search result numbers? "Death by blogging" results in several searches over a period of time? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2016 Registered: 12-2010 |
Ok, so you have one stat showing that a search for "death by blogging" (or similar) gets a certain amount of result on google. correct Do you infer the other stat from this alone? no Or from this and other "death by" search result numbers? no "Death by blogging" results in several searches over a period of time? yesish | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 253 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is there a blog called "Death by <something>" or some similar name? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4515 Registered: 9-2010 |
death by chocolate? =) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2037 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is there a blog called "Death by <something>" or some similar name? irrel death by chocolate? om nom nom, but irrel | ||
| Plebeian (Plebeian)
New member Username: Plebeian Post Number: 860 Registered: 7-2006 |
So was the original statistic announcing the number of Google hits for "Blog Death" (or something)? And you've done the same Google now and returned a hugely larger number of hits? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2044 Registered: 12-2010 |
So was the original statistic announcing the number of Google hits for "Blog Death" (or something)? yes And you've done the same Google now and returned a hugely larger number of hits? YES! - How come? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4503 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the first search result published on the web? Copied by lots of people? Meaning new searches for "death by blogging" leads to lots of websites mentioning the previous search? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 2050 Registered: 12-2010 |
Was the first search result published on the web? Copied by lots of people? Meaning new searches for "death by blogging" leads to lots of websites mentioning the previous search? YEEEES! ********SPOILER******** The puzzle is based on this xkcd comic. He googled "Died in a ____ accident" and got two results for "Died in a blogging accident". But by now, this comic has been re-blogged and posted thousands of times so that you get more than 16,000 results - so, blogging death rates have(n't) risen exponentially (; Thanks for your patience, everyone! | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 293 Registered: 8-2011 |
Oh, I should have thought of that. |
