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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 1:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Molly would have been killed were it not for the fish.
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Molly = H/A/F?

fish = plural? real fish? live?

would Molly have been murdered? died in an accident?
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Cockles and mussels? Was it in Dublin's fair city? =)
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Fish = in the ocean? in a lake/pond? In a river/creek? In some other body of water? In an aquarium? On someone's plate? In someone's belly? Lying on the shore of someplace? In a boat? In a net or trap? Fake fish in some representational form (e.g. artwork, toys, a Jesus fish)?
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Molly = H/A/F? Yes

fish = plural? Singular real fish? Yes, in the context of the puzzle) live? No

would Molly have been murdered? Yes died in an accident?

Cockles and mussels? Was it in Dublin's fair city? =) No, but bonus points for knowing the inspiration of the puzzle (and title)

Fish = in the ocean? in a lake/pond? In a river/creek? In some other body of water? In an aquarium? On someone's plate? In someone's belly? Lying on the shore of someplace? In a boat? In a net or trap? Fake fish in some representational form (e.g. artwork, toys, a Jesus fish)? No to all
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A mounted fish? A fish that was once alive?
Is the type of fish relevant?
Is the location of the fish relevant?
Did Molly use the fish in some way?
Would anyone else besides Molly have been murdered if it were not for the fish?
Was anyone else murdered even though Molly was not?
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A mounted fish? No A fish that was once alive? Yes
Is the type of fish relevant? Not particularly
Is the location of the fish relevant? Yes
Did Molly use the fish in some way? Yope
Would anyone else besides Molly have been murdered if it were not for the fish? No
Was anyone else murdered even though Molly was not? No
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Is the size of the fish relevant? Its color? Its weight? Any feature of the fish?
Did Molly ever own the fish? Was it her pet at one time? Was it someone else's pet? Was it a fish that had been caught in the wild?
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Fishing relevant? (Recreational? Commercial?)
Was the fish in North America? Europe?
Was someone trying to kill Molly specifically?
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Was the fish in water? Was it alive at the time? Did Molly see it? Use it in some way? Could the murderer afterwards have tried again?
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Is the size of the fish relevant? No Its color? No Its weight? No Any feature of the fish? DOYD of "feature"
Did Molly ever own the fish? DOYD of "own" Was it her pet at one time? No Was it someone else's pet? No Was it a fish that had been caught in the wild? No

Fishing relevant? (Recreational? Commercial?) No
Was the fish in North America? Europe? This could happen at places all over the world. Assume whichever you like.
Was someone trying to kill Molly specifically? Yopish

Was the fish in water? No Was it alive at the time? No Did Molly see it? Not when it saved her life Use it in some way? No Could the murderer afterwards have tried again? No
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Is this a simulation of a fish? Is Molly playing a game?
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Is this a simulation of a fish? No Is Molly playing a game? No
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Did Molly care for the fish?

Is anyone else besides Molly and the murderer relevant? Any non-human element besides the fish relevant?
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Did Molly care for the fish? No

Is anyone else besides Molly and the murderer relevant? Yes Any non-human element besides the fish relevant? No
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OOPER-BLAY:
Is anyone else besides Molly and the murderer relevant? Yes, but not to most of the puzzle scenario. So you can assume No and solve it.
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I not only know the song, I started humming it after reading the puzzle title, and it's still stuck in my head.

Should I examine the lyrics of "Molly Malone" in more depth to find hints to this puzzle? Or would that not be a fruitful line of inquiry?

does it matter that it was a fish? Could Molly have just as easily been saved by a cheezburgur? =) (I had to ask)
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was the fish cooked?

did someone eat the fish? did Molly?
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I not only know the song, I started humming it after reading the puzzle title, and it's still stuck in my head.

Should I examine the lyrics of "Molly Malone" in more depth to find hints to this puzzle? Or would that not be a fruitful line of inquiry? The song will not help you solve the puzzle


does it matter that it was a fish? Yes Could Molly have just as easily been saved by a cheezburgur? Probably not =) (I had to ask)

was the fish cooked? No

did someone eat the fish? No did Molly? No
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Did Molly ever realize that she was in any danger?
Or did the fish somehow divert the murderer so that he/she never directly threatened Molly?

So this fish had once been alive - had it died shortly before it somehow prevented Molly's death? Long before?

Did Molly ever know that the fish existed? Was there more than one fish at any time? Had Molly ever seen the fish that saved her life?

Is the fish the only factor in saving Molly's life? Or are other factors relevant?

This all reminds me the line from the movie 'Ghost', said by Whoopi Goldberg's character Oda Mae: "Molly...you in danger, girl."
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Was the fish in a freezer? refrigerator? grocery store? fish market? a dream?
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Did Molly ever realize that she was in any danger? Yes
Or did the fish somehow divert the murderer No so that he/she never directly threatened Molly? Yes

So this fish had once been alive - had it died shortly before it somehow prevented Molly's death? Long before? This

Did Molly ever know that the fish existed? Yes Was there more than one fish at any time? Assume no Had Molly ever seen the fish that saved her life? Yes

Is the fish the only factor in saving Molly's life? Yes Or are other factors relevant? Not really

This all reminds me the line from the movie 'Ghost', said by Whoopi Goldberg's character Oda Mae: "Molly...you in danger, girl." "You can't just blurt it out like that!"

Was the fish in a freezer? At one point, yes! refrigerator? grocery store? fish market? a dream?
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Was the fish prepared in some way?

How long before it saved Molly did the fish die?
- Seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries?

How soon before? Or after? it saved Molly was the fish placed in a freezer?

Was the fish owned at any point by someone relevant?
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Did Molly give the fish to her cat or her dog?
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was the fish frozen? did Molly use it as a weapon do defend herself?
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was the fish frozen? did Molly use it as a weapon do defend herself?
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Was the fish prepared in some way? No

How long before it saved Molly did the fish die? Irrel; it had been in her freezer, but it doesn't matter exactly how long
- Seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries?

How soon before? Or after? it saved Molly was the fish placed in a freezer? Say a couple days before

Was the fish owned at any point by someone relevant? "Owned" when it was alive? No

Did Molly give the fish to her cat or her dog? No

was the fish frozen? At one point did Molly use it as a weapon do defend herself? No
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Was the fish thawed when it saved Molly's life? Was it still intact (looked like it did when it was alive)? Or chopped up? Sliced? De-boned/filleted? Beheaded?
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Was the fish thawed when it saved Molly's life? Yes, at least partially Was it still intact (looked like it did when it was alive)? Yes Or chopped up? Sliced? De-boned/filleted? Beheaded?
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did someone slip on it and fall?
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did someone slip on it and fall? No
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Did Molly use the fish as a counter-threat?
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when the fish started to defrost did it smell bad? and that warned Molly?
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Did Molly use the fish as a counter-threat? No

when the fish started to defrost did it smell bad? Yes!! and that warned Molly? Yes!!f
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Had someone taken the fish out of the freezer?
Had the freezer lost power, causing the fish to thaw?
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Had someone taken the fish out of the freezer? Yes
Had the freezer lost power, causing the fish to thaw? No
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Had Molly taken the fish out of the freezer? Someone else? Had anything else been taken out of the freezer? Did Molly see the freezer open?
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Had Molly taken the fish out of the freezer? NO Someone else? Yes Had anything else been taken out of the freezer? Yes Did Molly see the freezer open? No
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did the smell of the fish alert Molly to the fact that someone had removed something from the freezer?

the other thing - food? a weapon?
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did the smell of the fish alert Molly to the fact that someone had removed something from the freezer? Yope

the other thing - food? Many things had been removed from the freezer, all foodstuffs, but... a weapon?
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Some murder scenarios in LTPF have famously used ice as the murder weapon. Is this such a scenario?
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Some murder scenarios in LTPF have famously used ice as the murder weapon. Is this such a scenario? No
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Did the person who removed items from the freezer want to kill Molly? Was the freezer in Molly's house? Were items removed from the freezer by someone who was looking for something specific in the freezer? Had Molly hidden something in the freezer? Was something encased in ice?
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Did the person who removed items from the freezer want to kill Molly? Noish Was the freezer in Molly's house? Yes Were items removed from the freezer by someone who was looking for something specific in the freezer? Yes Had Molly hidden something in the freezer? No Was something encased in ice? No
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was the person looking for a food item? a weapon? money? drugs?

had this person hidden something there?
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was the person looking for a food item? a weapon? money? This drugs?

had this person hidden something there? No
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Did the person think that Molly had hidden money in the freezer?
Had Molly ever actually hidden money in the freezer?
Was money ever put in the freezer unbeknowst to Molly?
Was Molly at her house when the person took the items out of the freezer?
Or did she arrive home, smell fish, realize that someone had been there and may still be there? So she didn't go inside further, but went elsewhere to call the police?
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Did the person think that Molly had hidden money in the freezer? No, but he hoped she had
Had Molly ever actually hidden money in the freezer? No
Was money ever put in the freezer unbeknowst to Molly? No
Was Molly at her house when the person took the items out of the freezer? No...
Or did she arrive home, smell fish, realize that someone had been there and may still be there? So she didn't go inside further, but went elsewhere to call the police? ...exactly.

**********SPOILER**********

A man broke into Molly's house and was searching for money. Knowing that some people keep money in the freezer, he searched there; finding nothing, he returned everything to the freezer. However, he missed a fish that had been in there. The burglar kept searching the house while the fish thawed and began to smell. When Molly came home, she smelled the fish and realized that someone had been in her house, so she left to call the police. As it happened, the burglar was still in the house and would have killed Molly if she hadn't smelled the fish and had wandered in on him.

Bueno solve, everyone. New puzzle below, and someone wake up my other two ("Awareness isn't everything" and "Taking a chess break"), which haven't been posted on in a while.
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great puzzle Balin

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