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Rbruma (Rbruma)
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You can wear any of these. At your peril, though
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cheezburgurz?

lol, I'm pretty sure not, but hey, if someone can make a dress out of meat, I'm not sure what counts as wearable these days. And of course there's always a cheeseburger costume...Halloween's coming, after all...=) hey there's an idea, I go as cheezburgur kitteh...

is the perilous thing edible? is it poisonous?
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Are they made from a variety of materials?

Are they made of cloth?

Should I ask about particular kinds of cloth?

Are "these" things that were made recently, such as in the last 50 years?

Are they, like, body armor that were used in the Middle Ages and wouldn't fit anyone today?

Are they headgear such as hats or helmets?
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would wearing these bring unwanted attention?

are they costumes? uniforms?

one piece of clothing? - cloaks? footwear? underwear? trousers?
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cheezburgurz? Thanks, only one

lol, I'm pretty sure not, but hey, if someone can make a dress out of meat, I'm not sure what counts as wearable these days. And of course there's always a cheeseburger costume...Halloween's coming, after all...=) hey there's an idea, I go as cheezburgur kitteh...

is the perilous thing edible? No is it poisonous? No

Are they made from a variety of materials? Irr

Are they made of cloth? Probably

Should I ask about particular kinds of cloth? No, not to me :-)

Are "these" things that were made recently, such as in the last 50 years? No

Are they, like, body armor that were used in the Middle Ages and wouldn't fit anyone today? No

Are they headgear such as hats or helmets? Yes

would wearing these bring unwanted attention? No, but OTRT. No to the rest

are they costumes? uniforms?

one piece of clothing? - cloaks? footwear? underwear? trousers?}
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would the headgear indicate a person's allegiance?

are they hats? helmets? military caps?
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sports relevant? cheeseheads? cornheads?
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the person speaking - H/A/M?

the person spoken to - H/A/M?

a father speaking to his son?
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Is the peril a matter of embarrassment? Such as wearing your bicycle helmet, and then forgetting to take it off when you join other people?

Rbruma, I'm not asking about that precise situation: I mean, is it real life-endangering peril, or social peril?

Is wearing it something that is against school dress code, church dress code, or something similar?

Is it something that's often worn and considered cool by some teens and uncool by others?
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would the headgear indicate a person's allegiance? YOPE

are they hats? Some of them are helmets? military caps? No to the rest

sports relevant? No cheeseheads? No cornheads? No

the person speaking - H/A/M? Yes

the person spoken to - H/A/M? FA

a father speaking to his son? No

Is the peril a matter of embarrassment? Such as wearing your bicycle helmet, and then forgetting to take it off when you join other people? No

Rbruma, I'm not asking about that precise situation: I mean, is it real life-endangering peril, This one or social peril? So, not this kind

Is wearing it something that is against school dress code, church dress code, or something similar? No

Is it something that's often worn and considered cool by some teens and uncool by others? No
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is it abour wearing non-safety headgear whilst doing something like horseriding, cycling or riding a motor bike?
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is it abour wearing non-safety headgear whilst doing something like horseriding, cycling or riding a motor bike? No, nothing like these
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Are headbands relevant? Sweatbands?
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Are headbands relevant? Sweatbands? No
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Visibility relevant? Camouflage? Hunting? Risk to life from: poison? Disease? Weapon? Murder? Accident? Vehicle? Fire? Drowning? Freezing? Getting lost? Falling? Animals? Humans?
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So, headgear - yes?
Some kind of hat?
Some kind of helmet?
Baseball cap?
Hood?
Any writing on the headgear which would be relevant?
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Visibility relevant? Camouflage? Hunting? Risk to life from: poison? Disease? Weapon? Murder? Accident? Vehicle? Fire? Drowning? Freezing? Getting lost? Falling? Animals? Humans?

No to all from above

So, headgear - yes? Yes
Some kind of hat? Some are hats. Some are not
Some kind of helmet? No
Baseball cap? No
Hood? No
Any writing on the headgear which would be relevant? No

HINT: The answer above, about the puzzle setting not being in the last 50 years, should be helpful
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BLOOPER: To the questions above, yes, the danger come (or used to come) from humans
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might these things make the people wearing them look like something else?

eg a bearskin or furry hat might make someone look a bit like an animal and they could get shot by a hunter?
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might these things make the people wearing them look like something else?

eg a bearskin or furry hat might make someone look a bit like an animal and they could get shot by a hunter?

No to all
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Does the headgear: identify him? Misidentify him? Hide his identity? Is it a normal headgear? Are these people a danger to him specifically? Or to a certain group? Or to most people? Is he royalty? Otherwise important?
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Is the headgear worn as part of a uniform?
A military uniform?
A work-related uniform?
Is the headgear worn to protect the head from the elements?
To protect the head from weapons? Or projectiles?
Is the headgear intended to protect the wearer at all?
Is there a season more likely for the headgear to be worn? Warm weather? cold weather? Wet weather?
Is there some design of the headgear which would make it more perilous than some other design?
Could it be possible for me to purchase one of these today in a regular store? Or a specialist store?
If I wore one today, would anyone seeing me be very suprised I was wearing one?
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Is the headgear worn as part of a uniform? Maybe, but that is not essential
A military uniform? See above
A work-related uniform? No
Is the headgear worn to protect the head from the elements? Probably
To protect the head from weapons? Or projectiles? No, no military elements in here
Is the headgear intended to protect the wearer at all? Well, like a hat...
Is there a season more likely for the headgear to be worn? Warm weather? cold weather? Wet weather? No to all
Is there some design of the headgear which would make it more perilous than some other design? YES
Could it be possible for me to purchase one of these today in a regular store? Or a specialist store? Probably this one, I'm not sure
If I wore one today, would anyone seeing me be very suprised I was wearing one? Not especially, but some eyebrows might be raised
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Can you answer my questions too? (: Material of the headgear relevant? If so: leather? Fur? Wool? Wood? Straw? Bone? Stone? Metal? Fabric? Color relevant? Price?
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Can you answer my questions too? (: I apologize, answers coming now Material of the headgear relevant? Not really, assume cloth If so: leather? Fur? Wool? Wood? Straw? Bone? Stone? Metal? Fabric? Color relevant? No Price? And no
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Does the headgear: identify him? Who? Misidentify him? Who? Hide his identity? Whose? Is it a normal headgear? "normal", I believe it is. DOYD Are these people a danger to him specifically? to the person speaking? No Or to a certain group? Or to most people? This was the idea Is he royalty? The person speaking? No. Otherwise important? The president
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The threat to life: accidental death?
If so, by suffocation? loss of blood? a slow death (lasting at least 10 minutes? an hour? a few hours? a day?) or a quick death (a few minutes? a few seconds? instant?)?
Is misidentification a major factor in the threat to life?
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Erm, is the puzzle statement being said by one person to another? Or to a group?
If so, is the person speaking selling the headgear? Or pointing the headgear out in a display? (e.g. a shop window? Museum?)
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Is the statement being said by a father to a child? By a person to their father?
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Does the president have a collection of headgear?

baseball caps?

the current president? a previous president?
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The threat to life: accidental death? No
If so, by suffocation? loss of blood? a slow death (lasting at least 10 minutes? an hour? a few hours? a day?) or a quick death (a few minutes? a few seconds? Probably this instant?)?
Is misidentification a major factor in the threat to life? I don't understand, could you please rephrase
Erm, is the puzzle statement being said by one person to another? No Or to a group? This
If so, is the person speaking selling the headgear? Or pointing the headgear out in a display? (e.g. a shop window? Museum?) No to these

Is the statement being said by a father to a child? By a person to their father? No to both

Does the president have a collection of headgear? Irr

baseball caps? No

the current president? a previous president? If I understand these questions correctly, FA. Whose president?
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is this taking place in Romania, Rbruma?
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is this taking place in Romania, Rbruma? No
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The US president? The president of a country in Europe? Asia?
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The US president? No The president of a country in Europe? This one Asia? And this one. Beware FA
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This is confusing :-/
The puzzle statement is spoken by one person, correct? To a group of people, correct?
Is speaker the president (of wherever it is)?
Is the president part of the group being spoken to?
Is the group a collection of presidents or heads of state? Or a single presidend and entourage?
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This is confusing :-/ Hopefully the answers below will clarify parts of it

The puzzle statement is spoken by one person, correct? Yes

To a group of people, correct? Yes

Is speaker the president (of wherever it is)? Yes

Is the president part of the group being spoken to? Yes

Is the group a collection of presidents or heads of state? No Or a single presidend Yes and entourage? But no

As we discovered he is the president, maybe the best word is not "speaking to the group" but "addressing to the group" out of his official position
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Russia? (it's in both Europe and Asia...)
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Turkey?
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kaylee kitteh forgot about Turkey...*face-pawz* shez kitteh iz prolly rite...shez can haz cheezburgur.
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Russia? (it's in both Europe and Asia...) It is, but the answer is...

Turkey? ...This!

We're getting really close
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is this about the banning of the fez?
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FEZ!!!! *weeps for the fez* poor Eleven...fezes are cool...
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is this about the banning of the fez?


Indeed it is, well done!

******* SPOILER *******

As the history teaches us, Mustafa Kemal, the renowned Ottoman - Turkish officer, the hero of Gallipoli in WWI and also the founder of the Republic of Turkey and its first president, wanted to align his country with the West, thus introducing many reforms, from religion, to education and even to the dress code. As a hardened general, he wouldn't take a no for an answer easily.

One of his reforms -- pertaining to the dress code -- was to forbid by law the wearing of the traditional Turkish fez and to replace it with the European hat. As opposition mounted, an anecdote says, his advisers notified him of the problem. To which Mustafa answered: "If you want to wear fez, wear it. I guarantee you that by tomorrow you will have nothing to wear it on!"

It seems that the conservatives at the time got the idea.

Thanks to all who participated and to Shez especially for the final solve.

The reference in the title is to the fact that Mustafa Kemal is normally called also Ataturk, which literally means "the father of the Turks". The International Airport in Istanbul, as well as dozens of places in Turkey and elsewhere, bear his name.
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thanks Rbruma. the Europe-Asia thing was too big a hint for me as I was once married to a Turk

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