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Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 8:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As noted, this is a repeat of a puzzle I did some years back.

An adult human person wished to purchase something (let's say a can of soda) from a vending machine.

Why did he/she put in $1.05 to buy a can of soda that was only 70 cents?


As an aside, apparently if you rock a vending machine not only will it fall and squish you, but lightning will shoot out of your head - check the warning labels.
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o hai bodo kitteh!!!

Is the adult human male? female? is the human you?

did the person just want extra change?

Kaylee kitteh waits for the day that cheezburgurz are in vending machines. =P (joking, lol)
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Gotta be on the lookout for folks with lightning coming outta their heads...

Did she put any paper bills into the machine?
Did she use a combo of bills and coins?
Did she use only coins?

I'm having a deja vu about the puzzle statement, so if I remember the solution I'll sit this one out
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Did he/she need exactly $.35 for something?
Was the machine broken or shifty in any way?
Just to rule it out, he/she didn't want anything besides the soda?
Does it have to do with the sort of coins (and/or bills) he/she had on him/her?
Fake money involved?
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Kayleetonkslupin:

o hai bodo kitteh!!! Hai back.

Is the adult human male? female? Could be either, doesn't matter. is the human you? No.

did the person just want extra change? No.

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Ixoye724:

Gotta be on the lookout for folks with lightning coming outta their heads... I know, right?

Did she put any paper bills into the machine? Possibly, but not required.
Did she use a combo of bills and coins? Same answer.
Did she use only coins? Still possibly.

I'm having a deja vu about the puzzle statement, so if I remember the solution I'll sit this one out Thanks

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Jondahr:

Did he/she need exactly $.35 for something? No.
Was the machine broken or shifty in any way? No.
Just to rule it out, he/she didn't want anything besides the soda? Correct.
Does it have to do with the sort of coins (and/or bills) he/she had on him/her? Yes.
Fake money involved? No.
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Was the person using coins minted in the U.S.? Another country? Does the origin of the coins matter? Does the denomination of the coins matter?
Did the person retrieve any coins from the machine after the purchase was completed? Did the person retrieve a soda, or whatever the machine contained, from the machine after inserting the coins?
Were multiple coins or pieces of money inserted?
Did the person make a purchase from the machine? Or rather did they insert money then push the 'coin return' button?
So when the person walked away from the machine, did they have a soda (or product X from the machine)? Did they also have some coins that they had not had prior to approaching the machine? Did they have anything else that they didn't have prior to approaching the machine?
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Some coins/bills are not accepted in most vending machines. Is this relevant?
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Did it get stuck, and he/she had to buy another product in order to get it going again?
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Ixoye724Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 10:04 pm:

Was the person using coins minted in the U.S.? Yes. Another country? No (we haven't outsourced that yet, have we?) Does the origin of the coins matter? No. Does the denomination of the coins matter? Yes.
Did the person retrieve any coins from the machine after the purchase was completed? Yes. Did the person retrieve a soda, or whatever the machine contained, from the machine after inserting the coins? Also yes.
Were multiple coins or pieces of money inserted? Yes (unless you have a $1.05 piece somewhere? (: )
Did the person make a purchase from the machine? Yes. Or rather did they insert money then push the 'coin return' button? No.
So when the person walked away from the machine, did they have a soda (or product X from the machine)? They did. Did they also have some coins that they had not had prior to approaching the machine? Yes. Did they have anything else that they didn't have prior to approaching the machine? Depending on how careful they were in opening their soda they might've had a stain somewhere, I guess, but otherwise no.

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Balin Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 10:10 pm:

Some coins/bills are not accepted in most vending machines. Is this relevant? No - I believe the machine took the "regular" monetary units (nickels, dimes, quarters, dollar bills).

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Jondahr Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 10:16 pm:

Did it get stuck, and he/she had to buy another product in order to get it going again? No.
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Did the person find change in the coin return slot?
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If change was found, was it the logical amount, 35 cents? If not, then more? Less?

Was there an empty space in front of the soda he wanted, so he had to "ask" for it twice?
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was there already some change pending in the machine?
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Is "correct change only" relevant?
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Balin Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 11:59 pm:

Did the person find change in the coin return slot? Before? No. After? Yes.

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Shez Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 9:00 am:

was there already some change pending in the machine? Not quite sure what you're asking - there was some change in the machine.

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Martinfg Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 10:10 am:

Is "correct change only" relevant? Yes.
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Had someone put change in earlier to buy something but not bought anything?
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I'm sure both of these are too obvious, but maybe...

The person was a US citizen and was used to paying $.70 for a vending machine soda, but they were travelling to another country where the equivalent price after currency adjustment was $1.05 (in other words, they used foreign currency for a purchase using foreign money that was equal to US $.70).

Or...did they put coins into the machine and they got jammed, so additional coins had to be inserted to break loose the jammed coins?
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Balin Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 2:51 pm:

Had someone put change in earlier to buy something but not bought anything? No.

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Ixoye724 Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 3:43 pm:

I'm sure both of these are too obvious, but maybe...Only one way to find out...

The person was a US citizen and was used to paying $.70 for a vending machine soda, but they were travelling to another country where the equivalent price after currency adjustment was $1.05 (in other words, they used foreign currency for a purchase using foreign money that was equal to US $.70). No.

Or...did they put coins into the machine and they got jammed, so additional coins had to be inserted to break loose the jammed coins? No.
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Allright, had to rule out something....

Does it matter which coin was inserted first?
Did the buyer insert $.70 worth of coins, then continue to insert coins? Or did they insert less before continuing? More?
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Is the look and feel of the coins/bills relevant?
Is the person vision-impaired?

Did the person actually intend to insert $1.05?
If so, had they intended to do it from the start? Or did they decide to do it while after having started to insert money?
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Ixoye724 Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 8:33 pm:

Does it matter which coin was inserted first? No.
Did the buyer insert $.70 worth of coins, then continue to insert coins? Or did they insert less before continuing? More? The particular order in which the money was entered was not a factor.

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Potato Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 9:58 pm:

Is the look and feel of the coins/bills relevant? No.
Is the person vision-impaired? No.

Did the person actually intend to insert $1.05? Yes.
If so, had they intended to do it from the start? Yope (depending on definition of "start").
Or did they decide to do it while after having started to insert money? No.
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Did the person decide to insert $1.05
...before finding the machine?
...after finding the machine but before arriving at it?
...after arriving at the machine but before choosing what to buy?
...after choosing what to buy but before starting to pay?
...after starting to pay?

Did the person want to get rid of certain coins/bills?
Is there something special about the coins/bills that the person inserted?
Are they valuable?
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Potato Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 10:46 pm:

Did the person decide to insert $1.05
...before finding the machine? No.
...after finding the machine but before arriving at it? No.
...after arriving at the machine but before choosing what to buy? No.
...after choosing what to buy but before starting to pay? Yes.
...after starting to pay? No (it had already been decided at that point).

Did the person want to get rid of certain coins/bills? No.
Is there something special about the coins/bills that the person inserted? Define "special" - they were ordinary currency in denominations accepted by the machine, how's that.
Are they valuable? Face value only.
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Do all the products in the vending machine cost the same?
Did the person put in $1.05 in order to get 35 cents back?
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Think you forgot my questions:

If change was found, was it the "logical" amount, 35 cents? If not, then more? Less?

Was there an empty space in front of the soda he wanted, so he had to "ask" for it twice?
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If he only put a 1 dollar bill into the machine would the machine have worked?
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Balin Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2011 - 1:48 am:

Do all the products in the vending machine cost the same? Yes.
Did the person put in $1.05 in order to get 35 cents back? No.


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Jondahr Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2011 - 6:40 am:

Think you forgot my questions: Wups! Yes I did, sorry.

If change was found, was it the "logical" amount, 35 cents? Yes. If not, then more? Less? Just $.35.

Was there an empty space in front of the soda he wanted, so he had to "ask" for it twice? No.

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Martinfg If he only put a 1 dollar bill into the machine would the machine have worked? No.
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Think I know this as its something I have done so will step out now. : )
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So if the person had simply inserted a $1 bill into the machine, would the machine have dispensed a soda?
Same question for 3 quarters instead of a $1 bill.
Same question for 14 nickels.
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Martinfg Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2011 - 2:58 pm:

Think I know this as its something I have done so will step out now. : ) wink

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Ixoye724 Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2011 - 4:11 pm:

So if the person had simply inserted a $1 bill into the machine, would the machine have dispensed a soda? No.
Same question for 3 quarters instead of a $1 bill. Same answer (No).
Same question for 14 nickels. Yes, it would've dispensed a soda.
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Had someone previously purchased something else relevant from the machine?
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Balin Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2011 - 6:25 pm:

Had someone previously purchased something else relevant from the machine? This is hard to answer as worded without being misleading, so I'll give you a solid "Yope." - feeling piratey: Pie rat
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How bout this - had another person previously used the machine? So the person in our story was not the initial user of the machine?

And, if another person had used the machine before our person, had the other person put only $.70 in the machine and then received a soda?

If not, had that person put in more than $.70? Less?
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Ixoye724 Posted on Friday, October 21, 2011 - 5:11 pm:

How bout this - had another person previously used the machine? Yes. So the person in our story was not the initial user of the machine? Yes.

And, if another person had used the machine before our person, had the other person put only $.70 in the machine and then received a soda? No and Yes.

If not, had that person put in more than $.70? Yes. Less? No.
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Had the person purchased a soda? The same soda?

Did they put in $.35 extra? So Our Hero paid $1.05 in order to get two sodas for the price of 1-and-a-half?
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so when I asked whether there was some change pending - had someone previously used the machine and overpaid and not removed their change?
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Balin Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2011 - 1:44 am:

Had the person purchased a soda? Yes. The same soda? A soda - they were all the same price.

Did they put in $.35 extra? No. So Our Hero paid $1.05 in order to get two sodas for the price of 1-and-a-half? No.

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Shez Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2011 - 11:45 am:

so when I asked whether there was some change pending - had someone previously used the machine and overpaid and not removed their change? The coin return slot was empty.
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Was the extra change in the machine?
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DId the previous person put in $1.05? More? Less?
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Balin Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2011 - 1:48 am:

Was the extra change in the machine? I'm not sure I'm understanding what you mean by extra (sorry)?

Let me clarify something: there were many people (or possibly just one very thirsty person) who had used the machine prior to the protagonist for its intended purpose. In fact, the protagonist had likely used it before. The last person to successfully use the machine is relevant to the scenario, how's that.


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Biograd Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2011 - 8:35 am:

DId the previous person put in $1.05? More? Less? Let's say $.75
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Did the previous person put the money in and not buy anything?
Are foreign coins relevant?
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Balin Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2011 - 3:04 pm:

Did the previous person put the money in and not buy anything? The previous person bought a soda with three quarters, paying 70 cents net.
Are foreign coins relevant? No.
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Was a nickel correctly dispensed as change after the prior transaction? Did any part of the machine jam or become blocked in the process?
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Or had the machine run out of 5 cents coins to dispense as change?
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Biograd Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 6:54 am:

Was a nickel correctly dispensed as change after the prior transaction? Yes. Did any part of the machine jam or become blocked in the process? No.

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Docd Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 12:48 pm:

Or had the machine run out of 5 cents coins to dispense as change? Yes.

Shall I officially $poil this one?
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Did it display the fact that it had run out of 5 cent coins? Did it not dispense cents in change? I remember getting a whole handful of copper from one machine.
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Lynne Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 4:48 pm:

Did it display the fact that it had run out of 5 cent coins? No, but it did display "Exact Change Only" (see Martin's post on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 10:10 am). Did it not dispense cents in change? It did not, just 5, 10 and 25 cent pieces. I remember getting a whole handful of copper from one machine.
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Well let's see...if our person put in $1, the machine could have given 3 dimes as change. If he put in 3 quarters, the machine could not have given change nor given a soda because it needed exact change. If our person added a dime making $.85, still no change could be given. At $.95 the machine could have dispensed a soda and given back a quarter that our person put in. Perhaps the machine had only dimes to give as change, and needed coins from another person to be able to give correct change? But if exact change was required, at some point a combination of coins that amounted to $.70 would have to be put in...is any of this relevant?
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Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 5:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ixoye724 Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 5:33 pm:

Well let's see...if our person put in $1, the machine could have given 3 dimes as change. If he put in 3 quarters, the machine could not have given change nor given a soda because it needed exact change. If our person added a dime making $.85, still no change could be given. At $.95 the machine could have dispensed a soda and given back a quarter that our person put in. Perhaps the machine had only dimes to give as change, and needed coins from another person to be able to give correct change? But if exact change was required, at some point a combination of coins that amounted to $.70 would have to be put in...is any of this relevant? I just realized that I mis-answered one of your queries on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 10:37 pm - the order in which money was entered into the machine did matter (sorry about that, it has been a while). In this case, the protagonist had a dollar bill and some small change (less than 70 cents) and the machine required exact change.
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Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 6:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm confused here. It sometimes gives change? Or never ever gives change? I always thought that the 'exact change only' just meant that it never gives change, not that it has run out of change. (It's a long time since I've used a vending machine obviously!)

I'm assuming that it has given change in the past judging by the qs and as here. And has now run out of 5 cent coins. So did our personage here find a way to get round the 'no change given' status of the machinage?
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Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 8:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Lynne Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 6:24 pm:

I'm confused here. It sometimes gives change? Yes. Or never ever gives change? When it has adequate coinage it will give change; if there is some combination it cannot accommodate it will not allow for other than the exact amount. I always thought that the 'exact change only' just meant that it never gives change, not that it has run out of change. (It's a long time since I've used a vending machine obviously!)

I'm assuming that it has given change in the past judging by the qs and as here. And has now run out of 5 cent coins. So did our personage here find a way to get round the 'no change given' status of the machinage? Rezackly.

In fact, the machine wouldn't even accept a bill when in the "exact change" status, which is what exacerbates the severity of my blooper in answering Ixoye's question about the order the money was inserted on the 19th. I really do think this is ready to go bad schpoyle now.
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Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ah, ok. It makes sense then that the machine was limited in what change it could give. Maybe it wasn't only out of nickels, maybe it was out of all change completely, except for the $.70 that the last person had spent. You said that the previous user of the machine received 5 cents as change, meaning they put $.75 into the machine, probably with three quarters. If the machine used its last nickel to give change for this, this means the machine had at least 3 quarters to use for change for future users of the machine. If our person had to put in $1.05, that means he received $.35 in change, and if none of that was nickels then he received a quarter and a dime. So now there remains the question of how he got to the total of $1.05 - if he used coins, but not nickels, then he could have gotten this by using 3 quarters and 3 dimes, and the machine would have given back one quarter and one dime. I don't know how machines account for bills, but if this machine only had limited coins to use as change (perhaps many people paid using $1 bills so the machine used all its coins giving change for this).
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Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***************** SPOILER *****************

Our hero (yclept Biff) was perishing of thirst, and approached the vending machine in a hopeful mood with visions of consuming a healthy, sugary soda-esque beverage. Sadly, the intolerant and despotic "exact change only" indicator was lit, and he had only a few dimes and nickels in his pocket.

Fortunately, realizing the limitations of such machines, he deduced that putting in more fundage than was actually required might allow the machine to accept his dollar bill, since once it had consumed his nickel it would be able to make change (and the nickel came back to him, although the next person would face the same conundrum).

If one listens when putting change into a vending machine one can sometimes determine that certain coins drop all the way down into a central repository and some might only go part way (the latter being re-routed into a change-making area).

For those who might be unsure of the meaning of "schpoyle" it's a German word used most often in German-speaking countries other than Germany, like Australia or Swaziland. I believe the Scandinavian equivalent is "lutefisk" or "lutfisk" or something like that.
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Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 9:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Great puzzle. My mind could create the scenario but I found it difficult to express in words. Leave it to man to outsmart despotic machinery...

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