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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Wednesday, November 02, 2011 - 12:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

...so I've stolen another puzzle statement, this one by Ciaobella.

No one would believe the good doctor until a man with no medical background supported his claim.
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did he claim to be a kitteh?? =)
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Did the claim concern the medical field? One of "the good doctor"'s patient?

Good Doctor = H? A? M? Same questions for "man"? Can we call the "good doctor" Doctor Brown? And the man with no medical background Pablo? Is time and place relevant? If so, LTPF List of Centuries and Countries?

Was this a major scientific discovery? Or, just a thought... was the claim even true?
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did he claim to be a kitteh?? =) Noez

Did the claim concern the medical field? Noish One of "the good doctor"'s patient? Yes

Good Doctor = H? A? M? Yes Same questions for "man"? Yes Can we call the "good doctor" Doctor Brown? OK And the man with no medical background Pablo? OK Is time and place relevant? Not really If so, LTPF List of Centuries and Countries? England, 1960s. Also this is FSEI.

Was this a major scientific discovery? No Or, just a thought... was the claim even true? Yes
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Are we talking about a medical doctor this time? If not, a psychiatrist? Dentist? Surgeon? Veterinarian? Academic doctor of some other field? Time Lord?
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Are we talking about a medical doctor this time? No If not, a psychiatrist? Yes Dentist? Surgeon? Veterinarian? Academic doctor of some other field? Time Lord?
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Have you actually stolen Ciaobella's solution as well, and are trying to run the exact same puzzle again? :p



Was the statement Doctor Brown made about his patient about the mental state of the latter?

Is the patient and Pablo the same guy, or are they two different people?

Anyone else relevant to the puzzle apart from these two or three people?
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Have you actually stolen Ciaobella's solution as well, and are trying to run the exact same puzzle again? :p No -- I'm not that much of a thief ;-)



Was the statement Doctor Brown made about his patient about the mental state of the latter? Yes

Is the patient and Pablo the same guy, or are they two different people? The latter

Anyone else relevant to the puzzle apart from these two or three people? Simplifying for the purposes of this puzzle...two
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I'm flattered! If I should stay out of this one, please ignore my questions.

Did Doctor Brown claim that the patient had a mental disorder? that his mental state was normal/average?

Did the patient believe Doctor Brown? Is Pablo's profession relevant?
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Is the doctor's patient male? Female? Relevant?
If female, can we call her Claire?
If Male, can we call him Clyde?

Did Doctor Brown try to say this thing to the patient?
To Pablo?
To someone else?
Make a public statement?
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I'm flattered! If I should stay out of this one, please ignore my questions. Thanks! And I'm pretty sure you don't know this, but I could be wrong.

Did Doctor Brown claim that the patient had a mental disorder? that his mental state was normal/average? This

Did the patient believe Doctor Brown? No Is Pablo's profession relevant? Yes

Is the doctor's patient male? Female? This Relevant? Not really
If female, can we call her Claire? OK
If Male, can we call him Clyde?

Did Doctor Brown try to say this thing to the patient?
To Pablo?
To someone else?
Make a public statement? The statement was made to a few people at once, including Pablo but not (immediately) to Claire
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Does Pablo work in healthcare? law enforcement? military? education? Those seem to be the most common for puzzlers. =)
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Does Pablo work in healthcare? law enforcement? Yope; No to rest military? education? Those seem to be the most common for puzzlers. =)
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Hmm....a detective? I like your detective stories.
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Hmm....a detective? Yes I like your detective stories.Thanks!
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did Pablo find something out about Claire which proved that she was not mentally ill? in the course of his duties as a detective?

had it been assumed that Claire was imagining things? is this like that film where the husband is trying to convince the wife that she is going mad? or convince everyone else?
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did Pablo find something out about Claire Yope which proved that she was not mentally ill? Yes in the course of his duties as a detective? Yes

had it been assumed that Claire was imagining things? No is this like that film where the husband is trying to convince the wife that she is going mad? There are some similarities -- someone is trying to convince her that she's going mad -- but I don't know what film you're talking about or convince everyone else? Not so much "everyone else" as "her"
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I wish I could remember - brilliant film - Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer? Gaslight?

did Pablo find something out about Claire's circumstances? or people around her?
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I wish I could remember - brilliant film - Ingrid Bergman and Charles Boyer? Gaslight?

did Pablo find something out about Claire's circumstances? Yesish or people around her? Yesish -- this is definitely relevant
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did he find out that people had been lying to her?
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Had people been staging certain events in order to convince her she was mad? Were they trying to make her seem unreliable? In connection to a witness statement or similar?
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did he find out that people had been lying to her? Yopish/Noish

Had people been staging certain events Yesish in order to convince her she was mad? Yes Were they trying to make her seem unreliable? Noish In connection to a witness statement or similar? {No}
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The person trying to make her believe she was mad- HAM? related to her by blood? by marriage? professionally? was it a "friend"? neighbor? relevant?
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The person trying to make her believe she was mad- HAM? related to her by blood? by marriage? professionally? was it a "friend"? neighbor? relevant? There were two people making her believe this. However, any other information will ruin the story this is from for you, so I will just say that they are HA-either M or F, and that you can assume for the puzzle that they are "friends."
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were the two people her children?
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were the two people her children? I can safely say, without $poiling the story, that they were not. Again, you can assume that they are "friends."
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Were they doing this to protect her? for financial gain? for some other benefit for themselves? by accident? to hurt her? to keep her from doing something? to cause her to do something? as a joke/prank? to distract her? to distract others?
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Were they doing this to protect her? No for financial gain? This may have been their motive, but not what you're looking for for some other benefit for themselves? Same as the previous by accident? No to hurt her? Yesish/Yope to keep her from doing something? No to cause her to do something? No, but... as a joke/prank? No to distract her? No to distract others? No
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Was it to cause someone else to do something?

Long shot- were they drug seekers?
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Was it to cause someone else to do something? No

Long shot- were they drug seekers? No, but drugs are relevant
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illegal drugs? prescription drugs? OTC medications?
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illegal drugs? This prescription drugs? OTC medications?
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Had the "friends" slipped Claire some illegal drugs? hallucinogens, perhaps?
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Had the "friends" slipped Claire some illegal drugs? hallucinogens, perhaps? Yes and Yes!
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So some people slipped Claire some drugs that made her hallucinate. Claire began thinking she might be one bun short of a cheezburgur so she saw the good doctor. He said she was fine, and no one believed him until the detective revealed all. Is that accurate?

This is exciting, Balin! I do feel bad for poor Claire, though.
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"One bun short of a cheezburgur"?! *adopts this as phrase to describe kittehz who are crazy* thanx, ciaobella kitteh!
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So some people slipped Claire some drugs that made her hallucinate. Claire began thinking she might be one bun short of a cheezburgur Yes, but see below so she saw the good doctor Yes/Yope. He said she was fine, and no one believed him until the detective revealed all. Is that accurate? Yes, but there's a major point you're missing, related to what Claire believed about herself.

This is exciting, Balin! I do feel bad for poor Claire, though. As do I.
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Claire thought she was seeing things? hearing things?
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Claire thought she was seeing things? hearing things? Neither...
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Did she believe she was dead? That she had killed someone? That she was dying? That she was dangerous? That she was in contact with another world/dimension? That she had been abducted by aliens? That she had had a stroke? That something was physically wrong with her brain? That she knew something she shouldn't know?
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Did she believe she was dead? That she had killed someone? DING DING DING!!! That she was dying? That she was dangerous? That she was in contact with another world/dimension? That she had been abducted by aliens? That she had had a stroke? That something was physically wrong with her brain? That she knew something she shouldn't know?

**********SPOILER**********

This is the plot of an Agatha Christie book, Third Girl. The summary below gives some information about the plot, but does not reveal the killer.

The book centers around a young woman, Norma Restarick, who comes to Hercule Poirot to confess to a murder she might have committed. Poirot investigates, and eventually discovers that Norma is not a murderess, but has been drugged to think she is, and that the same people who drugged her committed the murder.

Nice work everyone, nice solve Jondahr et al.
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Oh, forgot the bit about the doctor: Poirot has hired a doctor to look after Norma. At the book's climax, the good doctor declares her sane, despite everyone else (except Poirot) believing her to be insane. But Poirot proves that she was, in fact, being drugged.
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Wow! Thought I had read every Christie-book there was, but this doesn't ring a bell. Thanks for the tip, and for a great puzzle! :D
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Fantastic puzzle, Balin, as usual.

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