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Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Friday, November 11, 2011 - 2:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Unfortunately I haven't caught the kitteh speak (or whatever it's called) bug but It does give me a nice little puzzle title which is only cryptically relevant. However there are no cats in this puzzle

When I read about a recent court case I thought "My word they must really treat inmates well"

Why would I think that.
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"They" - a prison? Prison wardens? The court?

The court case: relevant what the charged crime was? Is a sentence relevant?
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I want to follow up on the "cryptically" thing. Does this refer to the sort of cryptic puzzle where each letter stands for another letter? or does it refer to hidden meanings? or does it have anything to do with crypts (graves)? Or am I running off after a FA or a tangent?
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o hai Peter =) do not worry, we shall turn you into a proper kitteh soonur or latur =P hehehe. *givz cheezburgur* now then...


Did the court case have to do with a crime perpetuated in Ireland? In the UK? Elsewhere?
was it a violent crime? a crime involving money?

...oh no, don't tell me someone stole the cheezburgurz!
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did an inmate have a cat as a pet?
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Is the specific crime relevant? something the inmate did? something the judge did? Any other relevant people that haven't been discovered in my or the previous questions?

Kaylee Kitteh iz gud lolspeak professur. *nodz*
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"They" - a prison? Prison wardens? The court? Could be all of these but it's actually a bit more than that

The court case: relevant what the charged crime was? Yesish Is a sentence relevant? Very much so
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I want to follow up on the "cryptically" thing. Does this refer to the sort of cryptic puzzle where each letter stands for another letter? or does it refer to hidden meanings? or does it have anything to do with crypts (graves)? Or am I running off after a FA or a tangent? Maybe cryptic wasn't the word I should have used it's more of a pun than anything else
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o hai Peter =) do not worry, we shall turn you into a proper kitteh soonur or latur =P hehehe. *givz cheezburgur* now then... I'm very partial to cheeseburgers so thanks...


Did the court case have to do with a crime perpetuated in Ireland? No In the UK? No Elsewhere? Yes and to save anyone invoking a list of countries it happened in Italy
was it a violent crime? No a crime involving money? Yes

...oh no, don't tell me someone stole the cheezburgurz! Thankfully not
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did an inmate have a cat as a pet? No as I said there isn't actually any cats in this puzzle
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Is the specific crime relevant? NOt especially but it will help you set the scene something the inmate did? Element of an FA here something the judge did? Yes. The sentence is the key thing Any other relevant people that haven't been discovered in my or the previous questions? Not really no

Kaylee Kitteh iz gud lolspeak professur. *nodz*
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The crime: Theft? Fraud? Embezzlement? Counterfeiting?

Was the criminal guilty? Did his sentence involve imprisonment? A fine? House arrest? Probation? Parole? Community service?
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Length of sentence relevant?
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iz glad no one stole teh cheezburgurz!!! *much relieved kitteh* what iz peter kitteh'z favurit cheezburgur?
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Was it the wording of the sentence that made you wonder?
An unusual wording?
Or very common, you just never realized a double meaning it had?
Or maybe a bad translation?
Or an italian word that sounds like something else in english?
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The crime: Theft? Fraud? This is in the right area Embezzlement? Counterfeiting?

Was the criminal guilty? Well he was found guilty so assume yes Did his sentence involve imprisonment? Yes A fine? House arrest? and a yopish element of this Probation? Parole? Community service?
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iz glad no one stole teh cheezburgurz!!! *much relieved kitteh* what iz peter kitteh'z favurit cheezburgur? Anything with meat in it ;)

Was it the wording of the sentence that made you wonder? Hard to say. There was more than one sentence handed down and put together they seemed strange. But the strangeness had nothing to do with language or specific words
An unusual wording? Well something contradictory would be the best way to describe it
Or very common, you just never realized a double meaning it had? So no to this
Or maybe a bad translation? No
Or an italian word that sounds like something else in english? Not this
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Was he imprisoned in jail? Somewhere else?
Is some element of the prison (or wherever) relevant?
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Was he imprisoned in jail? Well he's appealing but he did receive a jail sentence Somewhere else? No but therein lies the confusion
Is some element of the prison (or wherever) relevant? Not really only the way the case was reported suggested that prison in Italy is a doddle
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Did the reporter mean to give this impression?
Or was an impression given that wasn't intended?
If so, would everyone be likely to get this impression?
Or is it, for instance, more likely to get it if you belong to a certain culture, or something like that?
Did the reporter make a mistake or was he/she unprecise when reporting?
Or would the reporter believe that this case had been covered in an adequate manner?
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o hai j-kitteh, thought we lost yuo!

*givz Peter a cheezburgur* unfortunately, I do not understand the meaning of 'doddle'...must not be a word in American English =P
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Did the reporter mean to give this impression? Not sure . I'm not suggesting there was an inaccuracy but I didn't read any more about the story so having just read the one article I was left confused
Or was an impression given that wasn't intended? I guess it was unintentional.
If so, would everyone be likely to get this impression? I would say yes
Or is it, for instance, more likely to get it if you belong to a certain culture, or something like that? No
Did the reporter make a mistake or was he/she unprecise when reporting? A lack of precision probably
Or would the reporter believe that this case had been covered in an adequate manner? Hard to say. See my recap below
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o hai j-kitteh, thought we lost yuo!

*givz Peter a cheezburgur* unfortunately, I do not understand the meaning of 'doddle'...must not be a word in American English =P Sorry Kaylee I should of course avoid local sayings. A doddle just means it's very easy

RECAP

Ok time for a bit of a recap because I'm finding it hard to answer some questions:

I was reading a report on a well publised criminal trial in Italy. The trail had to do with corruption and fraud. The defendant was found guilty and given a custodial sentence. However he also received another sentence which led me to believe (albeit with tongue firmly in cheek) that life in an Italian prison may not be too tough. I don't know if this was due to an error in the report a lack of clarity or an actual accurate report of a silly sentence. I've not made the effort to read anything further about the trail so I'm not sure if the article contained an omission.

If you establish what the other sentence was you'll be pretty much there. It has some elements of a house arrest but only very vaguely so don't get to hung up on that point.

Hope that helps
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Was he allowed certain privileges in prison? Was he not allowed certain privileges?
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Did the sentence restrict certain privileges that are generally unavailable to prison inmates?
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Was he allowed certain privileges in prison? Well the article implied this certainly Was he not allowed certain privileges? No

Did the sentence restrict certain privileges that are generally unavailable to prison inmates? Spot on well done
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O hai, Kaylee! I am naaht lost, or alternatively I was lost and am found. Just suddenly found myself buried in unfinished work.

Was he not allowed to visit the prison sauna/swimming pool/spa/similar? Not allowed to leave his room/cell? Not allowed to venture outside of the prison? Something to do with the food or drink? Recieving letters? TV/newspapers/media? Visitors? Work, hobbies or other activities?
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O hai, Kaylee! I am naaht lost, or alternatively I was lost and am found. Just suddenly found myself buried in unfinished work. I know how you feel

Was he not allowed to visit the prison sauna/swimming pool/spa/similar? no Not allowed to leave his room/cell? No Not allowed to venture outside of the prison? This Something to do with the food or drink? Recieving letters? TV/newspapers/media? Visitors? Work, hobbies or other activities? No to rest

I think we're pretty much there and any other questions would be trying to guess why he might leave the prison so I'll go ahead and spoil this one.

******************Spoiler**************

Luciano Moggi (insert kitteh pun here as Moggy is a somewhat derisory term for a cat of mixed breeding much like mongrel for dogs) was the former General Manager of Italian football Club Juventus who was recently found guilty of match fixing and fraud.

He received a prison sentence of 5 years and was also sentenced to a 3 year ban from attending sports events.

The article that I read did not make it clear if the 3 year ban would come into effect after he had served his custodial sentence.

Accordingly I had this image of Italian prisoners being loaded onto a bus to the San Siro to watch AC Milan play Juventus or maybe for a nice weekend trip to take in the Grand Prix at Imola while Mr Moggi watched jealously out of his cell window.

Mr Moggi (Kitteh) has yet to begin his sentence as he is out on bail pending an appeal.

Silly little puzzle I know but that's just the way my mind works.

Thanks for playing
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Hahaha, I love the "poor abandoned Moggi"-image! Great puzzle! Made me laugh.
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Here, Peter Kitteh can haz cheezburgur. *givz* =) I enjoy the way your silly mind works, Peter. *grin*
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Beautifully done! And an interesting story. I do wonder, though, if a lawyer will attempt to count the three years as served at the end of his prison sentence, whether or not the visual you described (love it!) is accurate. Odd things have happened in the criminal justice system worldwide.
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Thanks for the kind comments. Glad you liked it.

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