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| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 195 Registered: 10-2011 |
Joseph died in his bed, in his home. His death was no surprise, no one suspected any foul play, and still it was Benjamin's sweet revenge. | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4977 Registered: 9-2010 |
o hai j-kitteh, iz got a intrestin noo puzzel heer! Joseph/Benjamin = H/A/Ms? Biblical Joseph and Benjamin relevant? Are Joseph and Benjamin brothers? Otherwise related? Broadway relevant? Did Benjamin actually kill Joseph? Are Joseph and Benjamin their real names? Are they real people? Do you know them personally? True story? FYOI? FSEI? Are they both dead now? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 196 Registered: 10-2011 |
o hai j-kitteh, iz got a intrestin noo puzzel heer! mehopes so... kind of a first go, this one... Joseph/Benjamin = H/A/Ms? yes Biblical Joseph and Benjamin relevant? no, just picked a couple of names that seemed about right Are Joseph and Benjamin brothers? no Otherwise related? no Broadway relevant? no, though it would be fun if someone were to break into a Benjamin-defence song in the middle of this :p Did Benjamin actually kill Joseph? yes Are Joseph and Benjamin their real names? not relevant Are they real people? well, in the context of the story they are, but not in reality, because...Do you know them personally? True story? FYOI ...this is the case. My first puzzle to be pretty much self-thought-up, so hoping it will work out okay? FSEI? Are they both dead now well, if we're assuming they are real people, Joseph would definitely be dead (obviously), Benjamin would most likely be dead, but not necessarily? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15794 Registered: 4-2010 |
Cause of death relevant? Are J&B related? Do they know each other? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 197 Registered: 10-2011 |
Cause of death relevant? yes Are J&B related? no Do they know each other? yes | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15798 Registered: 4-2010 |
Cause of death: impact electric shock the other kind of shock laceration suffocation or asphyxiation burning freezing heart attack allergies drowning explosion radiation poison a psionic death ray laughing to death other ? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 198 Registered: 10-2011 |
Cause of death: impact electric shock the other kind of shock laceration suffocation or asphyxiation burning freezing heart attack allergies drowning explosion radiation poison this a psionic death ray laughing to death other ? | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2011 |
Was Joseph already ill? was the killing deliberate? malicious? did Joseph want to die? By poisoning him, was Benjamin exacting revenge on Joseph? on someone else? Did anyone else know Joseph had died? - when the puzzles states that his death was no surprise - did many other people know that Joseph had died and were not surprised by his death? Did it appear as if Joseph had died through natural causes? by succumbing to an existing disease? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 199 Registered: 10-2011 |
Was Joseph already ill? prior to the poisoning, no was the killing deliberate? yes malicious? did Joseph want to die? most probably not By poisoning him, was Benjamin exacting revenge on Joseph? yes on someone else? no, just Joseph Did anyone else know Joseph had died? yes - when the puzzles states that his death was no surprise - did many other people know that Joseph had died and were not surprised by his death? not really relevant exactly how many people knew, suffice to say that there were others who knew and had not been surprised by it Did it appear as if Joseph had died through natural causes? yesish, more precisely... by succumbing to an existing disease? ...this | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2011 |
Is the poison used relevant to solving the puzzle? Did the poisoning take place over a prolongued period? i.e. a gradual process over weeks? months? years? To clarify on the answers to the last questions. Joseph wasn't ill prior to the poisoning, but after he had died it looked as if he had succumbed to an existing disease (from the outsiders point of view). Am I right to deduce from this that the introduction of the poison to Joseph's system caused a condition that can occur otherwise...'naturally'? Is it radiation poisoning? Is cancer relevant? Before he died, did Joseph know that Benjamin had killed him? did he suspect Benjamin? Would Joseph have deemed it rational that Benjamin had a cause for exacting revenge? | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4982 Registered: 9-2010 |
o hai Andy! welcome tu LTPF =) hehe. Did this happen (in j-kitteh's mind) in the 0th century? (for lack of better wording). 1st century? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th? 8th? 9th? 10th? 11th? 12th? 13th? 14th? 15th? 16th? 17th? 18th? 19th? 20th? 21st? or in BC? did it happen in North America? South America? Africa? Europe? Asia? Australia/Oceania? Antarctica? the Arctic? who knoez, could be pengwin friendz...or polur explorurz. hopez benjamin wuz nawt eated bai polur bear...should haz a Coke =P | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 200 Registered: 10-2011 |
Is the poison used relevant to solving the puzzle? not the exact poison, no, some would be more likely than others, but don't focus on this Did the poisoning take place over a prolongued period?ah, yes! Very good q! i.e. a gradual process over weeks? most likely thismonths? could also be this years? To clarify on the answers to the last questions. Joseph wasn't ill prior to the poisoning, but after he had died it looked as if he had succumbed to an existing disease (from the outsiders point of view). quite so Am I right to deduce from this that the introduction of the poison to Joseph's system caused a condition that can occur otherwise...'naturally'? yope, at least it would appear so to bystanders Is it radiation poisoning? no Is cancer relevant? no Before he died, did Joseph know that Benjamin had killed him? probably not for sure did he suspect Benjamin? he might have had a vague suspicion, but not enough to alert anyone about it Would Joseph have deemed it rational that Benjamin had a cause for exacting revenge? he probably would have understood why he did it, yes Did this happen (in j-kitteh's mind) in the 0th century? (for lack of better wording). 1st century? 2nd? 3rd? 4th? 5th? 6th? 7th? 8th? 9th? 10th? 11th? 12th? 13th? 14th? 15th? 16th? 17th? 18th? 19th? 20th? early 20th century, though late 19th would work, too 21st? or in BC? did it happen in North America? South America? Africa? Europe? this, though it probably could've Worked just as well in other locations as well Asia? Australia/Oceania? Antarctica? the Arctic? who knoez, could be pengwin friendz...or polur explorurz. hopez benjamin wuz nawt eated bai polur bear...should haz a Coke =P the arctic/antartica are highly unlikely, but that actually gives me an idea for another puzzle | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 201 Registered: 10-2011 |
And hey, totally forgot to welcome you, Andy! Welcome to the forum! Hope you will like it here! | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 4986 Registered: 9-2010 |
o yayz, moar j-kitteh puzzelz! *iz pleased tu inspirez* *yawn* kayz, bedtime. nite j-kitteh. | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2011 |
Thanks. It's not my first time here but I ain't been around for a good 5 yrs at least - long enough to not have a bloody clue what my username and password was. would most people sympathise with benjamin? think the killing was justified? Is the word 'sweet' relevant in the puzzle title? is it a hint? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2011 |
would most people sympathise with benjamin? they would probably agree he had a right to be angry, yes, and even seen revenge think the killing was justified? dunno what most people think justifies a killing - it wasn't self defence, which is pretty much the only justification i can Think of Is the word 'sweet' relevant in the puzzle title? is it a hint? no, the 'sweet is a totally redundant word, it just sounded better that way | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 4 Registered: 11-2011 |
was the poison administered by contaminating joseph's food? drink? air supply? is the chosen method of poisoning deliberate - in the sense it is appropriate revenge or there is some irony at play? i.e. Joseph had poisoned benjamin. Does anyone else know that benjamin poisoned joseph? other than gaining a sense that he had exacted revenge and settled the score, did benjamin benefit from joseph's death? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 203 Registered: 10-2011 |
was the poison administered by contaminating joseph's food? drink? air supply? no, no and no is the chosen method of poisoning deliberate - in the sense it is appropriate revenge or there is some irony at play? there is a certain irony at play, yes i.e. Joseph had poisoned benjamin. but not this Does anyone else know that benjamin poisoned joseph? no other than gaining a sense that he had exacted revenge and settled the score, did benjamin benefit from joseph's death? not directly, possibly in an indirect way, but i would suggest you concentrate on the revenge-part for now | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2011 |
was benjamin in the medical profession? Does joseph die in hospital? Are the professions of the men relevant to solving the puzzle? how about their respective ages? Had joseph caused benjamin physical pain in the past? Mental? Both? Are joseph and benjamin former sexual partners? is sex relevant in any way? An affair? | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 6 Registered: 11-2011 |
sorry, scrap the question about dying in hospital, i just read the puzzle statement again... Is it a nursing home? Is the home unusual in any way? Or does the puzzle work in most residential buildings? Is the time of year that this happened relevant? I'm assuming this couldn't happen in a modern setting, is this correct? is this because the poison could be detected and traced to benjamin? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 205 Registered: 10-2011 |
was benjamin in the medical profession? no Does joseph die in hospital? scrapped, see below Are the professions of the men relevant to solving the puzzle? yes, good q! how about their respective ages? not really that important, though it might give a clue about the nature of their relationship - only vaguely though Had joseph caused benjamin physical pain in the past? assume no Mental? yes, you could say that Both? Are joseph and benjamin former sexual partners? no is sex relevant in any way? no An affair? so no sorry, scrap the question about dying in hospital, i just read the puzzle statement again... the question is hereby officially scrapped (see above) Is it a nursing home? no it is Joseph's actual private home Is the home unusual in any way? DOYD of unusual, but mostly irrelevant, assume no Or does the puzzle work in most residential buildings? some would be more likely than others, but I suppose it would work in most buildings of a certain standard Is the time of year that this happened relevant? not really I'm assuming this couldn't happen in a modern setting, is this correct? well, no, I suppose it could happen, however it would be much less likely is this because the poison could be detected and traced to benjamin? not really, no | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 7 Registered: 11-2011 |
were joseph and benjamin work colleagues? Is one an subordinate of the other? if no, i'm assuming they knew each other through a different kind of working relationship, is this correct? is there a customer/supplier relationship here? Would the puzzle not work so well in a modern setting because the professions are no longer relevant? because of advances in technology? i.e. The initial situation would never have arose. Are either in the armed forces? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15815 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had Joseph committed a crime? Against Benjamin? | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 8 Registered: 11-2011 |
Did joseph teach benjamin? Was he his tutor or coach? Was there a significant amount of time between the initial act and the revenge? does it make sense to call it an initial act? is the length of time relevant to the puzzle? is it decades? years? months? days? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 531 Registered: 8-2011 |
Are allergies relevant to this puzzle? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 207 Registered: 10-2011 |
were joseph and benjamin work colleagues? well, not exactly... Is one an subordinate of the other? in a way, but an even more suitable description is mentioned below if no, i'm assuming they knew each other through a different kind of working relationship, is this correct? yope, see below is there a customer/supplier relationship here? hm, interesting question. their professional relationship is not such, though such a relationship DOES come into play in the story... Would the puzzle not work so well in a modern setting because the professions are no longer relevant? no, their profession is still very much at large because of advances in technology? yes! good q! i.e. The initial situation would never have arose. though not this Are either in the armed forces? no Had Joseph committed a crime? yes Against Benjamin? and yes Did joseph teach benjamin? yes! good q! Was he his tutor or coach? very much so! Was there a significant amount of time between the initial act and the revenge? hmm... yes does it make sense to call it an initial act? well, i suppose so, yea is the length of time relevant to the puzzle? not the exact amount of time, but assume that a significant amount of time has passed is it decades? probably not this much years? probably this months? probably longer than this days? definitely more than this Are allergies relevant to this puzzle? no | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2011 |
Did Joseph coach Benjamin as a child? adolescent? adult? Was Benjamin an apprentice? Did Joseph allow Benjamin to take the blame for something he didn't do? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 211 Registered: 10-2011 |
Did Joseph coach Benjamin as a child? adolescent? adult? as a young adult, could've been from adolescence as well, though Was Benjamin an apprentice? of sorts, yes, but it seems kind of strange to call it that Did Joseph allow Benjamin to take the blame for something he didn't do? no | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2011 |
did he teach benjamin how to commit crime? | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 532 Registered: 8-2011 |
The crime Joseph committed: fraud? violence? murder (perhaps not Benjamin but someone else)? theft? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 213 Registered: 10-2011 |
did he teach benjamin how to commit crime? no The crime Joseph committed: fraud? violence? murder (perhaps not Benjamin but someone else)? theft? this is the closest, though not quite accurate | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2011 |
is there a LTPF list of professions? | ||
| Rbruma (Rbruma)
New member Username: Rbruma Post Number: 1822 Registered: 9-2009 |
Religion relevant? | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 90 Registered: 11-2011 |
the profession they were in - did they produce a good? or deliver a service? long shot - were they tax collectors? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 221 Registered: 10-2011 |
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 5:24 pm: is there a LTPF list of professions? i don't know - i Think you should try to work it out though, as it is a fairly important part of the puzzle Religion relevant? no the profession they were in - did they produce a good? or deliver a service? that's actually a tough question. Bit of both really. Let's say they made something abstract that became part of something concrete long shot - were they tax collectors? no | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 106 Registered: 11-2011 |
were they in advertising? did they design something as part of their work? did it involve the generation of ideas? did they write verse? for greetings cards? | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 107 Registered: 11-2011 |
were they journalists? authors? would some people view the profession as dishonourable? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 222 Registered: 10-2011 |
were they in advertising? no did they design something as part of their work? well... not exactly did it involve the generation of ideas? absolutely! did they write verse? could be... for greetings cards? ...but not this, though I must say - very creative thinking! were they journalists? no, but... authors? yes! you got it! would some people view the profession as dishonourable? I suppose some people might, but I would call that weird... | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 122 Registered: 11-2011 |
is it relevant what kind of text they wrote? fiction? | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 123 Registered: 11-2011 |
ok, on recap did joseph take credit for benjamin's work? Steal his idea? Plagiarism? Was the poison in the ink? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 921 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did Joseph ingest the poison? inhale? did it permeate through his skin? Gas lamps relevant? Was Joseph exposed to the poison while being in his home? Season relevant? (e.g. winter, where people are more likely to spend time at home) Did Benjamin bring the poison into Joseph's home? if so: did he come in disguise? as a delivery man, maybe? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2342 Registered: 2-2011 |
did Joseph steal Benjamin's work? his ideas? a book or manuscript? did Joseph absorb the poison through his skin? from ink? paper coated in something? was the poison arsenic? lead? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 225 Registered: 10-2011 |
is it relevant what kind of text they wrote? fiction? fiction, yes did joseph take credit for benjamin's work? Steal his idea? Plagiarism? yes, yes and yes! good work! Was the poison in the ink? no, but definitely OTRT Did Joseph ingest the poison? this inhale? did it permeate through his skin? Gas lamps relevant? Was Joseph exposed to the poison while being in his home? yes Season relevant? no (e.g. winter, where people are more likely to spend time at home) Did Benjamin bring the poison into Joseph's home? yes, either directly or indirectly if so: did he come in disguise? as a delivery man, maybe? this is a very good idea, and it might very well have happened that way, though I originally imagined a more indirect way - but assume this! did Joseph steal Benjamin's work? his ideas? a book or manuscript? yes, yes and yes yet again! did Joseph absorb the poison through his skin? no from ink? yet again no, yet again OTRT paper coated in something? no was the poison arsenic? lead? as mentioned earlier, the exact poison used could have been a few different types, but it's not important working out the exact type | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2352 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the poison on a quill? any of the writing materials? a blotter? a lamp? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 227 Registered: 10-2011 |
was the poison on a quill? no, but you're VERY close! any of the writing materials? a blotter? a lamp? no to rest | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2408 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it on the writing instrument itself? a pen? pencil? something else? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 15971 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did Joseph chew the back of his pen (or whatnot)? Lick the tip? And the poison was there? | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 230 Registered: 10-2011 |
was it on the writing instrument itself? a pen? pencil? yep! nailed it! something else? Did Joseph chew the back of his pen (or whatnot)? yes, yes, yes! good work! Lick the tip? And the poison was there? it was indeed! Good work! Time for a.... *****SPOILER***** Joseph was a highly successful writer, but one day he was struck by a terrible writer's block. As his readers grew impatient, waiting for his next novel, Joseph started to panic. Then Benjamin, a young man whom he was tutoring, gave him the script for a novel-in-process, asking him if it was any good. Joseph read it, and realized that his pupil was working on an absolutely amazing novel. Desperate, he told Benjamin that his novel was no good and he should forget about it. Disappointed, but trusting the opinion of his tutor, Benjamin abandoned the project. But in secret Joseph stole the idea and finished the book himself. The book became a huge success, and Joseph's good name was saved. Then, one day, Joseph didn't feel so well. At first he thought it was only a bad fever, and it would soon pass. But it didn't. Joseph steadily got worse, until he had to stay in bed. Even then, he slowly got weaker, until he died. To everyone it seemed that Joseph had got some slow-working disease and had finally died from it. The truth, however, was that this was a well-thought-out revenge, plotted by a man who knew Joseph well enough to know that he had a habit of chewing his pencil ends while writing, and that he was so stubborn about his writing that he would keep writing even when on his deathbed. All Benjamin did was take a box of pencils, fill the upper third or so of them all with poison, disguise himself as a delivery man and go to Joseph's house with them (knowing Joseph well, he also knew that he only used specially ordered pencils). Joseph, unknowingly, consumed a tiny little bit of poison every day, gradually causing his own death. And Benjamin got his revenge. And no blade was needed, of course, because the pen(cil) is mightier than the sword. ;) Great work, everyone! Congrats to Shez and Balin for working out the last bit and to Andy_hornby who revealed quite a bit of it single-handed. Thanks for playing, and a special thanks to Sundowner who ispired me to include the delivery man disguise, which adds nicely to the story, I find. | ||
| Andy_hornby (Andy_hornby)
New member Username: Andy_hornby Post Number: 181 Registered: 11-2011 |
I really enjoyed this one - cheers | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2432 Registered: 2-2011 |
excellent! you forgot to thank your parents and your agent... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16016 Registered: 4-2010 |
Nice one!! |
