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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 1:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He fired. She died. He died. Explain why.

He #1 = He #2 = H-A-M
She = H-A-F
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 1:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the firing of a job position?
A literal fire?
Firing up (as in activating)?
Firing with rage?

It's pretty obvious what I'm trying to avoid asking...
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 1:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Then I'll ask what you're not...
Firing as in shooting a gun?
Did she die as a direct result of him firing ? Indirect?
Did he die as a direct result of her dying? Indirect?
Did he die as a direct result of him firing (As in dying because of the firing himself, rather than her dying or something else)? Indirect?
Did she die first? Did he? Both at the same time? Relevant?
Ages relevant? If so, 0-10? 11-20? 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60? 61-70? 71-80? 81-90? 91-100? 101-110? Other?

For a moment I thought, wait, she could be a baby in her mother's womb! Then I realized, oh yeah, mother's. *facepalm*
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 1:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the firing of a job position?
A literal fire?
Firing up (as in activating)?
Firing with rage? No

It's pretty obvious what I'm trying to avoid asking... And Kyeann steps in...

Then I'll ask what you're not...
Firing as in shooting a gun? Yes
Did she die as a direct result of him firing ? Indirect? This, but not that indirect
Did he die as a direct result of her dying? Indirect? Same
Did he die as a direct result of him firing (As in dying because of the firing himself, rather than her dying or something else)? Indirect? This
Did she die first? Yes Did he? No Both at the same time? No Relevant? Yes
Ages relevant? If so, 0-10? 11-20? 21-30? 31-40? 41-50? 51-60? 61-70? 71-80? 81-90? 91-100? 101-110? Other? Assume they were in their 30s. It doesn't matter all that much.

For a moment I thought, wait, she could be a baby in her mother's womb! Then I realized, oh yeah, mother's. *facepalm*
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 1:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant how much time passed between the deaths? If so, seconds? minutes? hours? days? longer?

Is their relationship relevant? Was she providing a service for him (such as medical care)? Did he intend for her to die when he fired the gun? Did she die from a gunshot? Did he?

Other possible causes of death (answer for both, please, even when some may overlap):

heart attack?
falling down an elevator shaft?
poison?
stabbing?
suicide?
murder?
accident?
electrocution?
trampled by Twilight fans?
drowning?
starvation?
dehydration?
Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 2:16 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Note to self: Never read Ciaobella's list of causes of death while drinking milk. Trampled by Twilight fans, LOL

Did the bullet ricochet off of something? Or was its path straight? Relevant?
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Did "He #1" (I'll call him HEnry) fire the gun with intent to kill?
Was "She" (I'll call her SHElby) in the same room as HEnry at the time the gun was fired?
Did "He #2" (Who I'll call HErnando) have a different COD than "SHElby?"
Did HEnry meet up with HErnando after SHElby had died?
Were they fans of the book or the movie?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 4:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant how much time passed between the deaths? Yes If so, seconds? minutes? hours? days? This longer?

Is their relationship relevant? Yes Was she providing a service for him (such as medical care)? Noish Did he intend for her to die when he fired the gun? No Did she die from a gunshot? No Did he? No

Other possible causes of death (answer for both, please, even when some may overlap):

heart attack?
falling down an elevator shaft? Wrong puzzle =)
poison?
stabbing?
suicide?
murder?
accident? Her death was an accident, but the COD is not on this list.
electrocution?
trampled by Twilight fans? I so wish it were this one. But it's not.
drowning?
starvation? His COD was this...
dehydration? ...or this, whichever comes first (and I think it's this)

Note to self: Never read Ciaobella's list of causes of death while drinking milk. Trampled by Twilight fans, LOL Or in my case, grapefruit juice.

Did the bullet ricochet off of something? Yes!! Or was its path straight? YOPE! Relevant? Very!

Did "He #1" (I'll call him HEnry) fire the gun with intent to kill? No
Was "She" (I'll call her SHElby) in the same room as HEnry at the time the gun was fired? Yes
Did "He #2" (Who I'll call HErnando) have a different COD than "SHElby?" FA -- there is only one "He"
Did HEnry meet up with HErnando after SHElby had died? See prev
Were they fans of the book or the movie? Irrel ;-)
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 4:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, death from dehydration would come first.
So did Shelby provide Henry with food and water?
Did Henry get food and water in some way that was related to Shelby?
You said the relationship was relevant. Were they:
Brother and sister?
Just friends?
Girlfriend and boyfriend?
Married?
Other?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 5:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, death from dehydration would come first. I thought so. Then dehydration is his COD.
So did Shelby provide Henry with food and water? No
Did Henry get food and water in some way that was related to Shelby? No
You said the relationship was relevant. Were they:
Brother and sister?
Just friends? This, but...
Girlfriend and boyfriend?
Married?
Other? ...this gets a Yope.
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 6:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I guess I missed that Ciaobella practically asked two of my questions before me...

Did the gun fire regular bullets?
Were Henry and Shelby colleagues?
Was the room they were in isolated?

If, for what ever reason, another person had been in the room, alive, would Henry have survived?
Would the additional person die alongside Henry?
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 6:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Environment relevant? If so, desert? island? urban environment? frozen tundra? forest? on a mountain? aquatic environment (such as in a boat on the ocean)?

Did they work together? Relevant how long they'd known each other?

Relevant how long after the gun was fired that Shelby died? If so, seconds? minutes? hours? days? longer? Did she die because of something that the bullet hit (for instance, water bottle or live explosive)?

Did Henry intend to fire the gun? Relevant what kind of gun? Relevant why/how the gun was fired? Was it in an oven by any chance? o_O

Any circuses involved? crime? wars? mental illness? Darwin Awards? (trying to cover my LTPF bases)

My sincere apologies for any nostrils flooded by any beverage following the Twilight reference.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 12:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I guess I missed that Ciaobella practically asked two of my questions before me...

Did the gun fire regular bullets? Yes
Were Henry and Shelby colleagues? Irrel
Was the room they were in isolated? Yes

If, for what ever reason, another person had been in the room, alive, would Henry have survived? It depends, but probably
Would the additional person die alongside Henry? See prev

Environment relevant? Yes If so, desert? island? urban environment? frozen tundra? forest? on a mountain? aquatic environment (such as in a boat on the ocean)? None of these

Did they work together? Irrel Relevant how long they'd known each other? No

Relevant how long after the gun was fired that Shelby died? Yes If so, seconds? This minutes? hours? days? longer? Did she die because of something that the bullet hit Yes (for instance, water bottle or live explosive)? But neither of these

Did Henry intend to fire the gun? Yes Relevant what kind of gun? Only that it was a pistol. Caliber and the like is irrel. Relevant why/how the gun was fired? Yes Was it in an oven by any chance? o_O No -- that puzzle's been solved already =)

Any circuses involved? crime? wars? mental illness? Darwin Awards? (trying to cover my LTPF bases) No to all, with an -ish for mental illness

My sincere apologies for any nostrils flooded by any beverage following the Twilight reference.
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 11:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they underground? At sea? In the sky?

Is Henry capable of knowing when to eat or drink?
Is Henry capable of knowing what to eat or drink?
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Posted on Monday, February 20, 2012 - 11:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the additional person die INSTEAD of Henry?
Is the thing the bullet ricocheted off of relevant? If so, made of:
Metal?
Cloth?
Rubber?
Stone?
Wood?
Glass?
Plastic?
Paper?
Twilight books?
Other?
Manmade or natural?
Bullet material relevant?
Apology accepted, Ciaobella. *offurs a peaze cheezburgur*
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did she fall on him and trap him? or block his way out?

was she the only one who knew the way out? or who knew a key code?

were they in a maze? an underground tunnel?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 - 1:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they underground? This At sea? In the sky?

Is Henry capable of knowing when to eat or drink? Yes
Is Henry capable of knowing what to eat or drink? Yes

Would the additional person die INSTEAD of Henry? No
Is the thing the bullet ricocheted off of relevant? If so, made of:
Metal?
Cloth?
Rubber?
Stone? This
Wood?
Glass?
Plastic?
Paper?
Twilight books?
Other?
Manmade or natural? Natural
Bullet material relevant? No
Apology accepted, Ciaobella. *offurs a peaze cheezburgur*

did she fall on him and trap him? No or block his way out? No

was she the only one who knew the way out? Yesish! or who knew a key code?

were they in a maze? an underground tunnel? Thisish. They were in an underground cave.
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Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 - 3:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he fired a gun which projected a bullet, and the bullet ricocheted off of a stone and then hit something which caused her death and led to his, and this was happening in a cave...all of this correct?

Were they spelunking? Climbing? Descending?
Were they using ropes to climb or descend?
If yes (to ropes), was her rope hit by the bullet?
Was she carrying a light? Was he?
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Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 - 3:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So can we say that Henry intended to hit the stone surface/object? But didn't realise it would recoil?

Can we say that Shelby was a guide? And Shelby was crushed to death in a cave-in? As a result of the ricochet?
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Posted on Tuesday, February 21, 2012 - 5:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So he fired a gun which projected a bullet, and the bullet ricocheted off of a stone and then hit something which caused her death and led to his, and this was happening in a cave...all of this correct? Yes, save the struck-out section.

Were they spelunking? Climbing? Descending? Irrel exactly how they got down there
Were they using ropes to climb or descend? Irrel
If yes (to ropes), was her rope hit by the bullet? No
Was she carrying a light? Yes! Was he? No!

So can we say that Henry intended to hit the stone surface/object? No But didn't realise it would recoil?

Can we say that Shelby was a guide? And Shelby was crushed to death in a cave-in? Yes to these! As a result of the ricochet? Yope -- see above
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 12:56 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to use the pistol as a light source?

After the cave in, was there another route he could have taken to escape?

Earlier, I asked whether an additional person would survive, to which you said "probably."
To clarify, I mean if hän was in the same room after the cavein, would hän be able to find a way out?
If the above question is true, can we say Henry had a disability compared to most others in finding a way out?
Physical?
Mental?
Was he an major claustrophobe?
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Did he panic? Is his emotional state at the time of the shot relevant? Try to fire the shot to alert others to his whereabouts? To threaten Shelby? To hit something in the cave, such as a bat?

Am I correct in understanding that once Shelby died from the cave-in, the light was extinguished so that he couldn't find his way out?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 12:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he trying to use the pistol as a light source? No

After the cave in, was there another route he could have taken to escape? Yes -- assume that it wasn't a total cave-in and he could have gotten around it.

Earlier, I asked whether an additional person would survive, to which you said "probably."
To clarify, I mean if hän was in the same room after the cavein, would hän be able to find a way out? Hmmm...it all depends on one circumstance.
If the above question is true, can we say Henry had a disability compared to most others in finding a way out? No
Physical?
Mental?
Was he an major claustrophobe? No

Did he panic? Yes! Is his emotional state at the time of the shot relevant? Yes! Try to fire the shot to alert others to his whereabouts? To threaten Shelby? To hit something in the cave, such as a bat? This, although it might not have been a bat

Am I correct in understanding that once Shelby died from the cave-in, the light was extinguished so that he couldn't find his way out? Yes

You're almost there!
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 4:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Henry saw something that made him panic, correct? He shot at it with his gun, correct? The bullet ricocheted off of some stone, causing a cave-in which killed Shelby and extinguished the light, correct? Although Henry could have escaped, did he not know the correct route? And was afraid of getting even more lost?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Henry saw something that made him panic, correct? He shot at it with his gun, correct? The bullet ricocheted off of some stone, causing a cave-in which killed Shelby and extinguished the light, correct? Correct. Although Henry could have escaped, did he not know the correct route? Yes/Yope And was afraid of getting even more lost? Yope

You still need these questions:

How exactly was the light extinguished?
Why was the light so important?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 9:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it extremely dark in the cave without the light?
Oh! Did the thing Henry shot at put out the light, and he shot at in panic when he was suddenly enveloped by darkness?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it extremely dark in the cave without the light? Yes!
Oh! Did the thing Henry shot at put out the light, Yesish and he shot at in panic when he was suddenly enveloped by darkness? No, but you've got enough.

**********SPOILER**********

Henry and Shelby were exploring an underground cave. It was pitch-black in there, so Shelby brought a flashlight, but for some reason Henry did not. However, he did bring his gun because he was frightened. While in the cave, Henry was startled by a noise and fired at it; the bullet struck a boulder, which tumbled down, killed Shelby, and smashed the flashlight. Henry was now in a pitch-black cave with no way to escape and no way to find out how; needless to say, he died shortly thereafter.

Nice work everyone, especially Kyeann for the solve. New puzzle shortly.
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Posted on Thursday, February 23, 2012 - 8:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Very nice, Balin! I really enjoy the variety in your puzzles.

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