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Woubit (Woubit)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 18, 2012 - 2:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The longer the search continued, the less likely it was to succeed.
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Search: Literal search? For a person? An item? An emotion?
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Search: Literal search? yes For a person? An item? this one An emotion?
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Nice to see you back woubit. We've all been worried about you

Any current news events relevant? any relevant technology?
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Is the searcher a one person? A group of people?
Do the searcher(s) search an item to acquire it? to destroy it? just to know where it is?
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Higgs Boson particle?

is the object larger than a finger? a hand? a football? a breadbox? a fridge? a car?

is the object unique in some way? is it a clue?

is it alive? animal? vegetable? mineral?

were the people searching police? military?

was the search itself likely to obscure the view?

was the search conducted indoors?
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Was the item hidden? Is it a tangible item? (if not: is it a word?)
Did (or does) it exist at all?
Was the purpose of the search merely to prove the existence of this item?
The longer the search continued .. the more difficult it would be to narrow down where the item is located? (because it is moving?)
.. the more likely the item would change its appearance? stop to exist? vanish? get stolen?
Would "succeed" in the puzzle statement mean to find the item before someone else does?
Is any of your puzzles in the limbo section relevant here?
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Any current news events relevant? no any relevant technology? yes

Is the searcher a one person? A group of people? this one
Do the searcher(s) search an item to acquire it? well, to reacquire it to destroy it? no just to know where it is? not "just" - the idea is that when they have found it, they will reunite it with its owner

Higgs Boson particle? no, but good thinking

is the object larger than a finger? yes a hand? about this size a football? a breadbox? a fridge? a car? smaller than all of those

is the object unique in some way? no is it a clue? no

is it alive? no animal? vegetable? mineral? primarily this one

were the people searching police? military? no - just ordinary people

was the search itself likely to obscure the view? no

was the search conducted indoors? in part

Was the item hidden? no Is it a tangible item? yes (if not: is it a word?)
Did (or does) it exist at all? yes
Was the purpose of the search merely to prove the existence of this item? no
The longer the search continued .. the more difficult it would be to narrow down where the item is located? yes (because it is moving?) no
.. the more likely the item would change its appearance? stop to exist? vanish? get stolen? none of those
Would "succeed" in the puzzle statement mean to find the item before someone else does? no - there was no race to discover the item
Is any of your puzzles in the limbo section relevant here? no
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Is the object well-known? To the ordinary people? Is some sort of treasure hunt going on?
Is the object a rock? A gem?
Is the object's owner relevant? Did the owner hide the object? Lose it? Does the owner still actually have the object?

Welcome back, woubit! We've missed you!
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Is it unlikely to succeed because the owner will die? Because something will happen to the item?
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woubit! you're back!!! =) please don't leave us again woubit, if you can help it that is...

were they looking for a rock? a stone? the Blarney Stone? Rosetta Stone? Stone of Scone? Scone of Stone? that one was a joke, of course, lol
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This Scone of Stone?
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lol! I didn't even know about that one =)
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I've just ordered it on Amazon

is it biodegradable? will its colour fade and make it harder to detect? will it melt?

is it fragile? made of glass?
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Are the searchers making still bigger mess, which makes it harder to find the object? Do they search it in a defined place? At home? Is it relevant how the object was lost?
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Is the object well-known? yes To the ordinary people? yes Is some sort of treasure hunt going on? no
Is the object a rock? A gem? neither of those
Is the object's owner relevant? not especially Did the owner hide the object? Lose it? this one Does the owner still actually have the object? no

Is it unlikely to succeed because the owner will die? no Because something will happen to the item? yes

were they looking for a rock? no a stone? no the Blarney Stone? Rosetta Stone? Stone of Scone? Scone of Stone? none of the above, not even the last one

is it biodegradable? no will its colour fade and make it harder to detect? no will it melt? no

is it fragile? somewhat made of glass? somewhat

Are the searchers making still bigger mess, which makes it harder to find the object? no Do they search it in a defined place? yes At home? no Is it relevant how the object was lost? a little
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Will the item break? Decay? Dissolve?
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Will the item break? no Decay? no Dissolve? no
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Will the object be further lost?

Is the object hidden? Or just lost?
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Is the object useful? Will the object be less useful if found later? useless?

Is the owner already dead? Was the object lost recently (within the last year)? Last 10 years?
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Will the object reduce in size?
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Will the object be further lost? I am not quite sure what this means. The object will become (or "would have become") less likely to be found if the present mode of searching for it continues.

Is the object hidden? no, or at least not deliberately concealed Or just lost? yes

Is the object useful? yes, or at least regarded as useful - nay, indispensable - by its owner Will the object be less useful if found later? no useless? no; once discovered, the object can easily be restored to its former state of usefulness

Is the owner already dead? no - there is no crime or other dark mystery here Was the object lost recently (within the last year)? it was lost in November 2011 and recovered in the same month, week and day as it was lost, after about three hours of searching Last 10 years? see above

Will the object reduce in size? no
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Was the object particularly valuable?

Is the owner relevant in any way other than simply being the owner? Is the owner royalty? Famous? Rich? Is the LTPF relevant?
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Was the object particularly valuable? no more so than other objects of its kind

Is the owner relevant in any way other than simply being the owner? no Is the owner royalty? Famous? Rich? he happens to be a rich man, but the puzzle would work just as well if he were not; he is not a member of any royal house, nor is he a famous man Is the LTPF relevant? no. This is a very commonplace puzzle indeed - the object in question is an instance of an object that I am sure most of you possess; the method of searching for it is one that at least some of you have certainly employed; no one died...
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is it a contact lens? or some specs?

I think if you're earching for a contact lens there'd be a danger of stepping on it and crushing it
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is it a contact lens? or some specs? neither of those, but good thinking

I think if you're searching for a contact lens there'd be a danger of stepping on it and crushing it I think so too, and the danger in the actual case is not dissimilar...
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So it's the way the searchers are searching that is causing problems? Is my assumption correct?

If so, are they using equipment? using animals? in vehicles? just walking around looking?
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So it's the way the searchers are searching that is causing problems? exactly and precisely so Is my assumption correct? in every detail. But it was not their fault - the way they were searching for this lost object is the way that everyone does. However...

If so, are they using equipment? this one using animals? in vehicles? just walking around looking? they should have done this instead - after all, that was how we found the blasted thing in the end
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Is the object spherical? flat?
Is it something most people use daily?
Is it something a person would keep in the home? Any one particular room?
Is it something found in public places?
Is it something a person would keep in a pocket or purse?

The equipment:
Something that would detect the object somehow (like a metal detector or one of those key finders that beeps)?
Something that would make it easier to see (such as a magnifying glass or a flashlight)?
Does it run on electricity?
Any moving parts?
You said everyone looks for this item this way- would most people have this equipment in their home? In their pocket/purse? At a public place?
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Were they using a metal detector? A vacuum cleaner? (with a sock over the end?)
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Is the object spherical? no flat? this is much closer than "spherical", yes
Is it something most people use daily? strictly speaking, no - "most people" in the sense of the majority of the world's population do not possess such an object. But in developed and even developing societies, it is a commonplace and almost an everyday object.
Is it something a person would keep in the home? these days I expect they would, but... Any one particular room? no
Is it something found in public places? yes, though it is not for public use - quite the contrary
Is it something a person would keep in a pocket or purse? yes

The equipment:
Something that would detect the object somehow (like a metal detector or one of those key finders that beeps)? not that kind of thing, no
Something that would make it easier to see (such as a magnifying glass or a flashlight)? no
Does it run on electricity? yes
Any moving parts? not in the sense you probably intend the question, no, though the strict answer is "yes"
You said everyone looks for this item this way- would most people have this equipment in their home? see above - most people who have this equipment would at one point or another have it in their home In their pocket/purse? yes At a public place? yes
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Were they using a metal detector? no A vacuum cleaner? (with a sock over the end?)no
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Is the object a gun? Is it a phone?
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Were they trying to call the phone to hear it ring (but it was on vibrate)? Which would drain the phone's battery? But if you had just looked for it, you'd have found it much sooner?
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Is the object a gun? no Is it a phone? yes

Were they trying to call the phone to hear it ring (but it was on vibrate)? Which would drain the phone's battery? But if you had just looked for it, you'd have found it much sooner? that will do very well enough...

***** INTERIM SPOILER *****

As usual, someone had lost their cellphone. This time, though, it was lost somewhere in a wide open space (Hyde Park in London).

People did the usual thing - they called the phone, in order to locate it where it rang.

But once this had failed to work the first time, it ought to have dawned on the assembled company that it was less likely to work the more they tried it. For as Balin says, the phone's battery would be drained in the process.

To my everlasting shame, I was among the company that ran around the Park frantically calling my friend's number. Coming as darkness came on to my senses, I went back to where we'd all had lunch. Sure enough...

...you have enough to solve the real puzzle. What is my friend's surname?
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Is your friend's surname related to the puzzle title? To cell phones? Is the LTPF relevant?
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Is your friend's surname related to the puzzle title? yes To cell phones? no Is the LTPF relevant? no more than usually, but may I say how glad I am to be back in company as sharp as this
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I'm glad you're back too!

Not a button: another form of fastener? A zipper? Snaps? Shoelaces? Velcro?
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Not a button: another form of fastener? A zipper? Snaps? Shoelaces? Velcro? nothing like this... it has often occurred to me to add BUWT to the acronyms I appear to have contributed to the LTPF. What BUWT stands for is LAEFTR.
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key?
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key? no
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does the W in BUWT stand for woubit? because I is a very puzzled kaylee! =( I do, however, know what LAEFTR means, however...at least, what I think it means. It means something should be obvious, no? well, woubit is obviously too clever for kaylee, so it isn't obvious for me.
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a note to woubit of woubits inc., pedants to the gentry: while I have often been in horrific defiance of proper English grammar (i.e. a big fan of LOLcats) these days, any grammatical errors in that last post were unintentional. It is still early and I have woken up from a nightmare of rather horrific proportions, compounded by the frightening thought that I was grammatically incorrect on a woubit puzzle. =(
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Button...mushroom? Button badge? Panic button?
Button that holds clothing on? Button that can be pressed in order to make something happen (such as elevator buttons or web buttons)? Curling relevant?
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Benjamin? (Thinking of the movie)
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I guess BUWT means to Bark Up the Wrong Tree (or Be Un the Wrong Track : )

Is your friend's surname Jenson?
Or, as he is "not a Button", maybe Lewis? Mark? Felipe? Nico?
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Button...mushroom? Button badge? Panic button?
Button that holds clothing on? this one Button that can be pressed in order to make something happen (such as elevator buttons or web buttons)? Curling relevant? no, but an interesting thought

Benjamin? (Thinking of the movie) no

I guess BUWT means to Bark Up the Wrong Tree you guess correctly

Is your friend's surname Jenson? no
Or, as he is "not a Button", maybe Lewis? no, but... Mark? Felipe? Nico? none of those
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Did you have lunch in a restaurant? or at a picnic table or similar? If a restuarant is it's name relevant?

Is formula one relevant or is that just a good example of the right kind of thinking.
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Did you have lunch in a restaurant? well, it was a cafe in the park or at a picnic table or similar? If a restuarant is its name relevant? no

Is formula one relevant no, neither to this puzzle nor to anything else or is that just a good example of the right kind of thinking. not the right kind of thinking, but...
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Is your friend's surname relevant to where you found the phone?
A specific type of button relevant? a missing button? a button hole? a person named (or nicknamed) Button?
Is your friend male? female? is this relevant?
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2012 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is your friend's surname relevant to where you found the phone? not to where we found it, but to the time of day at which we found it (already alluded to) and to the title of the puzzle
A specific type of button relevant? no - all that is known about the actual button in question is that it was (or rather, it wasn't) a standard button used for fastening some kind of clothing such as a coat or certain types of boot a missing button? a button hole? a person named (or nicknamed) Button? not this
Is your friend male? this one female? is this relevant? perhaps a little
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2012 - 6:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"button, button, who's got the button?"

I'm vaguely recalling this phrase from somewhere...might have been a game in elementary school or Girl Scouts or something. In any case, it's been at least a decade, if not a decade and a half, since I've heard it...so I can't precisely recall what it was about. But I am sure the great and powerful woubit, whose powers are beyond my imagination, can decipher it...after all, woubit knows the difference between a courgette and a zucchini and the meanings thereof. is it at all relevant?
Woubit (Woubit)
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Posted on Monday, January 23, 2012 - 6:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"button, button, who's got the button?" nothing to do with this, which is indeed a popular children's game. There are a number of variations, but all of them involve guessing who has a concealed button, or in which hand a button is concealed. You may have played the game, or you may have read a poem by Robert Frost called "The Witch of Coos" in which appear the lines:


Folks think a witch who has familiar spirits
She could call up to pass a winter evening,
But won't, should be burned at the stake or something.
Summoning spirits isn't button, button,
Who's got the button? I would have them know.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 2:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any of these words relevant?
-evening?
-twilight?
-sunset?
-afternoon?
-night?
-buckle?
-Velcro?
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Is the expression 'bright as a button' relevant?
Woubit (Woubit)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 12:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any of these words relevant?
-evening?
-twilight?
-sunset?
-afternoon?
-night?
-buckle?
-Velcro? not especially, no

Is the expression 'bright as a button' relevant? no
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sundown? eventide? PM? late? nightfall? dusk?

is the fastener a toggle? hook? strap? stud? frog? mandarin?
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sundown? eventide? PM? late? nightfall? dusk? looking for exact synonyms for the time at which darkness came on will not avail you. Instead, you should focus on those words themselves...

is the fastener a toggle? hook? strap? stud? frog? mandarin? ...as you should on the words "not a button"; the non-button in question is not not a specific kind of button, rather, it is not any kind of button. If you see what I mean.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 3:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so am I right in saying that we should focus on the words 'the time at which darkness came on' and 'not a button'

Any anagrams or wordplay?
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Sorry forgot to ask ...

....is the moon relevant?
Woubit (Woubit)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 3:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so am I right in saying that we should focus on the words 'the time at which darkness came on' and 'not a button' "till darkness came on" would be more appropriate, but otherwise yes

Any anagrams or wordplay? no, although...

....is the moon relevant? no
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You were hunting till darkness came on?
but you found not a button, or feather or Mark?
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 4:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You were hunting till darkness came on?
but you found not a button, or feather or Mark? exactly so, from which you will have gathered why it is that Lewis was a more relevant name than Jenson or Filipe or Nico. But my friend's surname is not Mark (nor is that his first name).
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 4:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is Carroll his surname? Dodgson?
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Is the surname any of the professions mentioned in the poem? Bellman? Butcher? Baker? Banker? Barrister? Broker?
(I would guess it is nothing so obvious as Snark or Boojum ..?)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 24, 2012 - 5:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

(Or Boots, but that would be more likely if your friend were a cat...)
Woubit (Woubit)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 4:06 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is Carroll his surname? Dodgson? neither of those, but help is at hand

Is the surname any of the professions mentioned in the poem? Bellman? Butcher? Baker? this one Banker? Barrister? Broker?

(I would guess it is nothing so obvious as Snark or Boojum ..?) if anyone were to suggest that "Snark" or "Boojum" was an obvious surname in the British Isles, or anywhere else, I would respectfully have suggested that they were a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic. However, diligent research reveals that there is at least one person named "Snark" (Martin of that ilk) residing in London; for aught I know he may have several descendants, and it is almost certain that he had at least one parent, so I am suitably abashed. A global search for people with the surname "Boojum" has conformed more precisely with expectation.

(Or Boots, but that would be more likely if your friend were a cat...) actually, it would not - the same kind of research indicates that "Boots" is a more popular surname by far than "Broker" or "Barrister". It's not even close between "Boots" and "Banker" - only "Bellman", "Butcher" and "Baker" are more common than "Boots" which, after all, is the name of our leading high-street (sorry, main-street) chem... er, drugstore.

***** SPOILER *****

But enough. This puzzle was inspired, if that is the word (which it almost certainly is not) by an incident in which my fried James Baker lost his cellphone in Hyde Park. As originally described, we ran around like headless chickens calling the phone, until it dawned on one of us that this would no longer work because the phone would no longer be able to respond. So, we reverted to more traditional methods of looking for things - "where were you when you last had it?" and the like - and we found it just as the Park was closing for the day (most English parks close at dusk).

The juxtaposition of "hunting till twilight came on" and "Baker" struck me as apposite enough for something, though I knew not what. Then I remembered the LTPF...
Woubit (Woubit)
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Postscript: for those who have not read Lewis Carroll's "The Hunting of the Snark", you should. You really should. For those who have, you should read it again.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 4:19 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Duly noted, woubit =) I shall do so, and I am most pleased you have returned. Do you perhaps have more of these wonderfully puzzling woubit puzzles to share? You have been greatly missed.
Woubit (Woubit)
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 5:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you perhaps have more of these wonderfully puzzling woubit puzzles to share? You have been greatly missed. very well. But no more Mister Nice Guy.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 25, 2012 - 5:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

no, just mr. nice woubit. =)

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