| Author | Message | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 22 Registered: 11-2011 |
A man says to another: "There's something wrong about that pee" yeah, urine involved. | ||
| Gourami (Gourami)
New member Username: Gourami Post Number: 521 Registered: 2-2008 |
Are they in a bathroom? A lab? Is either a doctor? Athlete? Test subject? Drug tests relevant? Or other medical tests? Is "that pee" Man #1's? Man #2's? Another=another HAM? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 23 Registered: 11-2011 |
Are they in a bathroom? no A lab? yes Is either a doctor? yes, both Athlete? no Test subject? no Drug tests relevant? no Or other medical tests? yes Is "that pee" Man #1's? no Man #2's? no Another =another HAM? no | ||
| Blue (Blue)
New member Username: Blue Post Number: 20 Registered: 1-2012 |
another = HAF? a robot? can we call the person whose pee is referred Rick? is Rick HAF?HAM?animal? a child? relevant? is the test about some illness? research? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16364 Registered: 4-2010 |
Peeing in a cup relevant? Testing for illness? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2011 |
oops, made a mistake on last answer of last post. Both men are HAM another = HAF? no, it's a HAM a robot? no can we call the person whose pee is referred Rick? sure is Rick HAF? no HAM? no animal? yes a child? no relevant? yes is the test about some illness? noish research? yes | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 25 Registered: 11-2011 |
Peeing in a cup relevant? no Testing for illness? noish | ||
| Blue (Blue)
New member Username: Blue Post Number: 22 Registered: 1-2012 |
is it genetic research? or research regarding trialing new medicines? some other research? "something wrong" means: something unexpected - positive? something unexpected - negative? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 26 Registered: 11-2011 |
is it genetic research? no or research regarding trialing new medicines? no some other research? yes "something wrong" means: something unexpected - positive? something unexpected - negative? I think that positive/negative doesn't apply, but it was unexpected | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2746 Registered: 2-2011 |
pregnancy relevant? was there something wrong with the colour? smell? chemical composition? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 27 Registered: 11-2011 |
pregnancy relevant? no was there something wrong with the colour? no smell? no chemical composition? yes, but that's not what caught their attention at first | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 553 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was it the amount that was "wrong"? viscosity? density? sediment? temperature? Was it obvious from the first? or from a test result? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2011 |
Was it the amount that was "wrong"? no viscosity? no density? no sediment? no temperature? no Was it obvious from the first? could you rephrase it, please? or from a test result? no | ||
| Emeraldink (Emeraldink)
New member Username: Emeraldink Post Number: 559 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the animal believed to be dead? type of animal that does not "pee" in the common sense? Rephrasing: did the attribute that caught scientists' attention at first require any kind of test or analysis? or was it noticeable "with a naked eye"? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2011 |
Was the animal believed to be dead? no type of animal that does not "pee" in the common sense? no Rephrasing: did the attribute that caught scientists' attention at first require any kind of test or analysis? no, but then they tested it to find out what caused that attribute or was it noticeable "with a naked eye"? yes | ||
| Blue (Blue)
New member Username: Blue Post Number: 24 Registered: 1-2012 |
real story? FYOI? FSEI? fiction? science fiction? "wrong" is about: timing? frequency? any specific animal relevant? was the animal ill before the research? did it get ill during research? is it sick now? research is for: making some medicine? making something else? inventing something? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2011 |
real story? yes FYOI? no FSEI? no fiction? no science fiction? no "wrong" is about: timing? no frequency? no any specific animal relevant? yes was the animal ill before the research? no did it get ill during research? yes, very important is it sick now? no, but watch out for FA research is for: making some medicine? no making something else? no inventing something? no | ||
| Tardigradeparty (Tardigradeparty)
New member Username: Tardigradeparty Post Number: 149 Registered: 9-2011 |
Did the animal become ill because of something it was given during the research? That is showing up on urine tests? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2769 Registered: 2-2011 |
is the animal dead? is it a mammal? bird? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2011 |
Did the animal become ill because of something it was given during the research? no That is showing up on urine tests? yes --- is the animal dead? yes is it a mammal? yes bird? no | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 701 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is the mammal aquatic? Is it smaller than a human fist? smaller than a loaf of bread? toddler? human adult? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2011 |
Is the mammal aquatic? no Is it smaller than a human fist? no smaller than a loaf of bread? no toddler? let's say it's the size of a 2-3 years old human adult? yes | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2774 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it a primate? a rabbit? a dog? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2011 |
is it a primate? no a rabbit? no a dog? yes | ||
| Blue (Blue)
New member Username: Blue Post Number: 38 Registered: 1-2012 |
is the research related to biology? environment? gathering data by observing behavior/some other attribute? only dogs are part of this research? how many - 1? <10? <100? relevant? how did the animal get sick: is relevant? is already known to the research team? team is trying to find why it got sick? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2011 |
is the research related to biology? yes environment? no gathering data by observing behavior/some other attribute? yes only dogs are part of this research? yes how many - 1? yes <10? <100? relevant? yes how did the animal get sick: is relevant? yes, very important is already known to the research team? at the moment that the phrase was said, no team is trying to find why it got sick? at the moment that the phrase was said, they didn't know it was sick. after that, yes | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2798 Registered: 2-2011 |
so the dog got sick, then they noticed something odd about the urine and that's when they realised it was sick? did it get sick because of a drug they had given it? some food it had eaten? a liquid it had drunk? a gas it had inhaled? and they first noticed not the colour, density, volume, viscosity, density, sediment or temperature? was what they noticed a reaction with another chemical(s)? with the air? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2011 |
so the dog got sick, then they noticed something odd about the urine and that's when they realised it was sick? yes, after they tested it did it get sick because of a drug they had given it? no some food it had eaten? no a liquid it had drunk? no a gas it had inhaled? no and they first noticed not the colour, density, volume, viscosity, density, sediment or temperature? any of these was what they noticed a reaction with another chemical(s)? with the air? any of these | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1978 Registered: 6-2008 |
When you said the relevant quality was noticeable with the "naked eye", do you literally mean it was visible? or did you just mean perceptible by one or more senses, without the need for specialized instruments? Did the urine need to come in contact with some other material to reveal this? Did it need to evaporate and leave something behind? Did some other animal react to the urine in some way, e.g. by sniffing it more than usual? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2011 |
When you said the relevant quality was noticeable with the "naked eye", do you literally mean it was visible? yes or did you just mean perceptible by one or more senses, without the need for specialized instruments? no Did the urine need to come in contact with some other material to reveal this? no Did it need to evaporate and leave something behind? no Did some other animal react to the urine in some way YES, OTRT, e.g. by sniffing it more than usual? the e.g. is yesish | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2900 Registered: 2-2011 |
was the other animal a dog? an insect? did the urine contain sugar? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2011 |
was the other animal a dog? no an insect? yes did the urine contain sugar? yes, otrt | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2902 Registered: 2-2011 |
was an ant attracted to it? a fly? a wasp? a bee? did the dog have diabetes? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2011 |
was an ant attracted to it? no a fly? yes a wasp? no a bee? no did the dog have diabetes? please be more specific about the moment in the story | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1981 Registered: 6-2008 |
When the dog produced the urine, did it have diabetes? Was the fly attracted to it because it was sweet? Or did it smell like something decaying to the fly? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2011 |
When the dog produced the urine, did it have diabetes? yes Was the fly attracted to it because it was sweet? yes Or did it smell like something decaying to the fly? no | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16640 Registered: 4-2010 |
Insulin relevant? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2011 |
Insulin relevant? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2910 Registered: 2-2011 |
was there sugar in the urine because the dog had diabetes? was the fly being attracted to the urine the reason that one man said there was something wrong with it? did they Subsequently test the urine and discovered that the dog had diabetes? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 41 Registered: 11-2011 |
was there sugar in the urine because the dog had diabetes? yes was the fly being attracted to the urine the reason that one man said there was something wrong with it? yes did they Subsequently test the urine and discovered that the dog had diabetes? yes | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1984 Registered: 6-2008 |
What do we have left to figure out? The overall goal of the research (which I assume wasn't merely to figure out what was wrong with this dog)? What caused the dog to develop diabetes in the first place? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 42 Registered: 11-2011 |
What do we have left to figure out? The overall goal of the research (which I assume wasn't merely to figure out what was wrong with this dog)? What caused the dog to develop diabetes in the first place? yeah, this puzzle lacks some clear direction... here's a recap and some tips: two men were doing research with a dog. They did something with it. After that, they noticed that there were an unusual amount of flies on the dog's urine. They tested it and found an large amount of sugar on the urine and concluded that the dog had acquired diabetes. Then they made an scientific discovery. So, the questions are: 1) What did they do to the dog? 2) What were the scientific discovery? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1021 Registered: 6-2003 |
Was the dog adult? male? relevant? Did they do whatever they do to the dog just before? way before? when the dog still was a puppy? Was the dog fed with cow milk as a puppy? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 43 Registered: 11-2011 |
Was the dog adult? male? relevant? irrelevant Did they do whatever they do to the dog just before? way before? well, depends on the definition of "just before" and "way before". please be more specific when the dog still was a puppy? no Was the dog fed with cow milk as a puppy? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 1988 Registered: 6-2008 |
Was the dog given a drug? fed some kind of food? Had it been infected with some kind of pathogenic organism? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 44 Registered: 11-2011 |
Was the dog given a drug? no fed some kind of food? no Had it been infected with some kind of pathogenic organism? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2927 Registered: 2-2011 |
had the dog been starved and then fed? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 45 Registered: 11-2011 |
had the dog been starved and then fed? no | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 2007 Registered: 6-2008 |
Had something (material) been introduced into the dog's body by any means? Had some kind of surgery been performed on the dog? Had the dog been made to perform some sort of behavior (for example overexertion, fasting, etc.)? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 46 Registered: 11-2011 |
Had something (material) been introduced into the dog's body by any means? well, since they performed surgery on the dog, things were introduced in it (scalpel, clamps, etc). if you're asking if something was left there, the answer is no Had some kind of surgery been performed on the dog? yes Had the dog been made to perform some sort of behavior (for example overexertion, fasting, etc.)? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2987 Registered: 2-2011 |
had they removed something? an organ? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 47 Registered: 11-2011 |
had they removed something? yes an organ? yes | ||
| Biograd (Biograd)
New member Username: Biograd Post Number: 2016 Registered: 6-2008 |
The pancreas? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 48 Registered: 11-2011 |
The pancreas? yes so, the first question was answered. The only information missing is the scientific discovery. You already have all the info you need to answer it, it's kind of straightforward | ||
| Docd (Docd)
New member Username: Docd Post Number: 191 Registered: 12-2004 |
Was this the story of the first time ever that scientists discovered that the pancreas: Prevented diabetes (mellitus)? Produced insulin? Was involved in glucose metabolism? | ||
| Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
New member Username: Henriquefm Post Number: 49 Registered: 11-2011 |
Was this the story of the first time ever that scientists discovered that the pancreas: Prevented diabetes (mellitus)? yes Produced insulin? not exactly Was involved in glucose metabolism? yes ****************** SPOILER **************** In 1989, people knew about diabetes, knew about the high blood sugar, but didn't know what caused it and hadn't discovered insulin yet. Oskar Minkowski and Joseph Freiherr von Mering were two German scientists studying the role of the pancreas in digestion. They removed it from a dog and noticed that the dog's urine were attracting a lot of flies. They tested the urine and found out that the dog had acquired diabetes. So they correctly theorized that the pancreas was responsible for secreting something in the blood that controls blood sugar level, but were unable to identify it. In the 1920s, Frederick G. Banting and Professor John J.R. MacLeod of the University of Toronto managed to isolate insulin and won a Nobel Prize for it in 1923. http://www.easd.org/easdwebfiles/prizes/minkowski/Oskar-Minkowski.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/accidental-discoveries.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin#History Thank you all for playing! Till next time. |
