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Henriquefm (Henriquefm)
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Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2012 - 2:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man says to another: "There's something wrong about that pee"

yeah, urine involved.
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Are they in a bathroom? A lab? Is either a doctor? Athlete? Test subject?

Drug tests relevant? Or other medical tests? Is "that pee" Man #1's? Man #2's?

Another=another HAM?
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Are they in a bathroom? no
A lab? yes
Is either a doctor? yes, both
Athlete? no
Test subject? no

Drug tests relevant? no
Or other medical tests? yes
Is "that pee" Man #1's? no
Man #2's? no

Another =another HAM? no
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another = HAF? a robot?

can we call the person whose pee is referred Rick?
is Rick HAF?HAM?animal? a child? relevant?

is the test about some illness? research?
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Peeing in a cup relevant? Testing for illness?
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oops, made a mistake on last answer of last post. Both men are HAM

another = HAF? no, it's a HAM a robot? no

can we call the person whose pee is referred Rick? sure
is Rick HAF? no HAM? no animal? yes a child? no relevant? yes

is the test about some illness? noish
research? yes
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Peeing in a cup relevant? no Testing for illness? noish
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is it genetic research?
or research regarding trialing new medicines?
some other research?

"something wrong" means:
something unexpected - positive?
something unexpected - negative?
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is it genetic research? no
or research regarding trialing new medicines? no
some other research? yes

"something wrong" means:
something unexpected - positive?
something unexpected - negative? I think that positive/negative doesn't apply, but it was unexpected
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pregnancy relevant?

was there something wrong with the colour? smell? chemical composition?
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pregnancy relevant? no

was there something wrong with the colour? no smell? no chemical composition? yes, but that's not what caught their attention at first
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Was it the amount that was "wrong"? viscosity? density? sediment? temperature?

Was it obvious from the first? or from a test result?
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Was it the amount that was "wrong"? no viscosity? no density? no sediment? no temperature? no

Was it obvious from the first? could you rephrase it, please? or from a test result? no
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Was the animal believed to be dead? type of animal that does not "pee" in the common sense?

Rephrasing: did the attribute that caught scientists' attention at first require any kind of test or analysis? or was it noticeable "with a naked eye"?
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Was the animal believed to be dead? no type of animal that does not "pee" in the common sense? no

Rephrasing: did the attribute that caught scientists' attention at first require any kind of test or analysis? no, but then they tested it to find out what caused that attribute or was it noticeable "with a naked eye"? yes
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real story? FYOI? FSEI? fiction? science fiction?

"wrong" is about:
timing? frequency?

any specific animal relevant?

was the animal ill before the research?
did it get ill during research?
is it sick now?

research is for:
making some medicine?
making something else?
inventing something?
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real story? yes FYOI? no FSEI? no fiction? no science fiction? no

"wrong" is about:
timing? no frequency? no

any specific animal relevant? yes

was the animal ill before the research? no
did it get ill during research? yes, very important
is it sick now? no, but watch out for FA

research is for:
making some medicine? no
making something else? no
inventing something? no
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Did the animal become ill because of something it was given during the research? That is showing up on urine tests?
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is the animal dead?

is it a mammal? bird?
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Did the animal become ill because of something it was given during the research? no That is showing up on urine tests? yes

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is the animal dead? yes

is it a mammal? yes bird? no
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Is the mammal aquatic? Is it smaller than a human fist? smaller than a loaf of bread? toddler? human adult?
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Is the mammal aquatic? no Is it smaller than a human fist? no smaller than a loaf of bread? no toddler? let's say it's the size of a 2-3 years old human adult? yes
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is it a primate? a rabbit? a dog?
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is it a primate? no a rabbit? no a dog? yes
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is the research related to biology? environment? gathering data by observing behavior/some other attribute?

only dogs are part of this research?

how many - 1? <10? <100? relevant?

how did the animal get sick:
is relevant?
is already known to the research team?
team is trying to find why it got sick?
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is the research related to biology? yes environment? no gathering data by observing behavior/some other attribute? yes

only dogs are part of this research? yes

how many - 1? yes <10? <100? relevant? yes

how did the animal get sick:
is relevant? yes, very important
is already known to the research team? at the moment that the phrase was said, no
team is trying to find why it got sick? at the moment that the phrase was said, they didn't know it was sick. after that, yes
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so the dog got sick, then they noticed something odd about the urine and that's when they realised it was sick?

did it get sick because of a drug they had given it? some food it had eaten? a liquid it had drunk? a gas it had inhaled?

and they first noticed not the colour, density, volume, viscosity, density, sediment or temperature?

was what they noticed a reaction with another chemical(s)? with the air?
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so the dog got sick, then they noticed something odd about the urine and that's when they realised it was sick? yes, after they tested it

did it get sick because of a drug they had given it? no some food it had eaten? no a liquid it had drunk? no a gas it had inhaled?
no

and they first noticed not the colour, density, volume, viscosity, density, sediment or temperature? any of these

was what they noticed a reaction with another chemical(s)? with the air? any of these
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When you said the relevant quality was noticeable with the "naked eye", do you literally mean it was visible? or did you just mean perceptible by one or more senses, without the need for specialized instruments?

Did the urine need to come in contact with some other material to reveal this? Did it need to evaporate and leave something behind? Did some other animal react to the urine in some way, e.g. by sniffing it more than usual?
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When you said the relevant quality was noticeable with the "naked eye", do you literally mean it was visible? yes or did you just mean perceptible by one or more senses, without the need for specialized instruments? no

Did the urine need to come in contact with some other material to reveal this? no Did it need to evaporate and leave something behind? no Did some other animal react to the urine in some way YES, OTRT, e.g. by sniffing it more than usual? the e.g. is yesish
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was the other animal a dog? an insect?

did the urine contain sugar?
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was the other animal a dog? no an insect? yes

did the urine contain sugar? yes, otrt
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was an ant attracted to it? a fly? a wasp? a bee?

did the dog have diabetes?
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was an ant attracted to it? no a fly? yes a wasp? no a bee? no

did the dog have diabetes? please be more specific about the moment in the story
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When the dog produced the urine, did it have diabetes? Was the fly attracted to it because it was sweet? Or did it smell like something decaying to the fly?
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When the dog produced the urine, did it have diabetes? yes Was the fly attracted to it because it was sweet? yes Or did it smell like something decaying to the fly? no
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Insulin relevant?
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Insulin relevant? no
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was there sugar in the urine because the dog had diabetes?

was the fly being attracted to the urine the reason that one man said there was something wrong with it?

did they Subsequently test the urine and discovered that the dog had diabetes?
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was there sugar in the urine because the dog had diabetes? yes

was the fly being attracted to the urine the reason that one man said there was something wrong with it? yes

did they Subsequently test the urine and discovered that the dog had diabetes? yes
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What do we have left to figure out? The overall goal of the research (which I assume wasn't merely to figure out what was wrong with this dog)? What caused the dog to develop diabetes in the first place?
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What do we have left to figure out? The overall goal of the research (which I assume wasn't merely to figure out what was wrong with this dog)? What caused the dog to develop diabetes in the first place?

yeah, this puzzle lacks some clear direction... here's a recap and some tips: two men were doing research with a dog. They did something with it. After that, they noticed that there were an unusual amount of flies on the dog's urine. They tested it and found an large amount of sugar on the urine and concluded that the dog had acquired diabetes. Then they made an scientific discovery. So, the questions are:
1) What did they do to the dog?
2) What were the scientific discovery?
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Was the dog adult? male? relevant?
Did they do whatever they do to the dog just before? way before? when the dog still was a puppy?
Was the dog fed with cow milk as a puppy?
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Was the dog adult? male? relevant? irrelevant
Did they do whatever they do to the dog just before? way before? well, depends on the definition of "just before" and "way before". please be more specific when the dog still was a puppy? no
Was the dog fed with cow milk as a puppy? no
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Was the dog given a drug? fed some kind of food? Had it been infected with some kind of pathogenic organism?
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Was the dog given a drug? no fed some kind of food? no Had it been infected with some kind of pathogenic organism? no
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had the dog been starved and then fed?
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had the dog been starved and then fed? no
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Had something (material) been introduced into the dog's body by any means? Had some kind of surgery been performed on the dog? Had the dog been made to perform some sort of behavior (for example overexertion, fasting, etc.)?
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Had something (material) been introduced into the dog's body by any means? well, since they performed surgery on the dog, things were introduced in it (scalpel, clamps, etc). if you're asking if something was left there, the answer is no Had some kind of surgery been performed on the dog? yes Had the dog been made to perform some sort of behavior (for example overexertion, fasting, etc.)? no
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had they removed something? an organ?
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had they removed something? yes an organ? yes
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The pancreas?
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The pancreas? yes

so, the first question was answered. The only information missing is the scientific discovery. You already have all the info you need to answer it, it's kind of straightforward
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Was this the story of the first time ever that scientists discovered that the pancreas:
Prevented diabetes (mellitus)?
Produced insulin?
Was involved in glucose metabolism?
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Was this the story of the first time ever that scientists discovered that the pancreas:
Prevented diabetes (mellitus)? yes
Produced insulin? not exactly
Was involved in glucose metabolism? yes

****************** SPOILER ****************

In 1989, people knew about diabetes, knew about the high blood sugar, but didn't know what caused it and hadn't discovered insulin yet.
Oskar Minkowski and Joseph Freiherr von Mering were two German scientists studying the role of the pancreas in digestion. They removed it from a dog and noticed that the dog's urine were attracting a lot of flies. They tested the urine and found out that the dog had acquired diabetes. So they correctly theorized that the pancreas was responsible for secreting something in the blood that controls blood sugar level, but were unable to identify it.
In the 1920s, Frederick G. Banting and Professor John J.R. MacLeod of the University of Toronto managed to isolate insulin and won a Nobel Prize for it in 1923.

http://www.easd.org/easdwebfiles/prizes/minkowski/Oskar-Minkowski.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/accidental-discoveries.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin#History

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