| Author | Message | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16467 Registered: 4-2010 |
A man committed suicide and tried to make it look like murder. However, he failed to realize something obvious, and the police closed the case as a suicide. What happened? | ||
| Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
New member Username: Kyeannpepper Post Number: 140 Registered: 1-2012 |
The man: HAM? Relevant? Reason that he wanted it to look like murder relevant? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16471 Registered: 4-2010 |
The man: HAM? Relevant? Yes and Yes Reason that he wanted it to look like murder relevant? Somewhat. The reason not so much as something else | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 766 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did he frame someone specific? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2812 Registered: 2-2011 |
did he want it not to look like suicide for insurance purposes? did he shoot himself? drown himself? knife himself? poison himself? gas himself? throw himself in front of a train/car? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16474 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he frame someone specific? Yes did he want it not to look like suicide for insurance purposes? No, see above did he shoot himself? drown himself? knife himself? poison himself? gas himself? throw himself in front of a train/car? None of these Slight BLOOPER in the puzzle statement. I said that "he failed to realize something obvious." Actually, he failed to realize two things; one obvious that anyone should know, and one specific to the puzzle scenario. | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 768 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was the person related to him? If so, a spouse? a child? a parent? a sibling? Was the person someone he sees regularly? If so, a co-worker? a supervisor? a subordinate? a friend? a lover? Was a weapon involved in his death? Frame someone for revenge? If so, relevant why? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16477 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was the person related to him? Yes If so, a spouse? This -- his wife a child? a parent? a sibling? Was the person someone he sees regularly? If so, a co-worker? a supervisor? a subordinate? a friend? a lover? Was a weapon involved in his death? Yes, DOYD of "weapon" Frame someone for revenge? Yes but not really relevant If so, relevant why? No, not really | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4721 Registered: 9-2009 |
Death by: suffocation? Strangulation? Drowning? Inhalation? Blood loss? Disease? Trauma? Projectile? Fall? Impact? Vehicle? Poison? Animal? Explosion? Electrocution? Hanging? Heat? Cold? Fire? Starvation? Thirst? Decapitation? Did his wife have an alibi? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16482 Registered: 4-2010 |
Death by: suffocation? Strangulation? Drowning? Inhalation? Blood loss? Disease? Trauma? Projectile? Fall? Impact? Vehicle? Poison? Animal? Explosion? Electrocution? This Hanging? Heat? Cold? Fire? Starvation? Thirst? Decapitation? Did his wife have an alibi? Yes | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 4725 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is the obvious thing her alibi? Did he drop an electric appliance into his bath? If so, relevant which? Is his level of knowledge about electricity relevant? Is hers? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16485 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the obvious thing her alibi? Yes, but that's only one of them (the one specific to the puzzle) Did he drop an electric appliance into his bath? Yes, DOYD of "appliance" If so, relevant which? Yes Is his level of knowledge about electricity relevant? Is hers? Neither | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 773 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was it something large that his wife could not have lifted? Relevant that it was a man framing a woman and not the other way around? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16496 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was it something large that his wife could not have lifted? No Relevant that it was a man framing a woman and not the other way around? Somewhat | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 787 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is the appliance one typically found in a kitchen? a bath? a bedroom? an office? a living room/ family room? a child's room? a workshop/ garage? outdoors? (Let us know if there is more than one answer) Relevant what her alibi is? If so, was she with someone? Was she at work? Was there physical evidence of her alibi (such as a time punch card, video footage, etc.)? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16517 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the appliance one typically found in a kitchen? a bath? a bedroom? an office? a living room/ family room? a child's room? a workshop/ garage? outdoors? (Let us know if there is more than one answer) Bathroom Relevant what her alibi is? Yope If so, was she with someone? Yes Was she at work? No, but... Was there physical evidence of her alibi (such as a time punch card, video footage, etc.)? Not like this, No | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 791 Registered: 8-2011 |
Is the appliance something one would use to get ready in the morning? If so, an electric razor? a hair curling/straightening/flat iron? a blow dryer? Was she with someone from work? On a business trip? Was she having an affair? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16521 Registered: 4-2010 |
Is the appliance something one would use to get ready in the morning? Yes If so, an electric razor? a hair curling/straightening/flat iron? Flat iron a blow dryer? Was she with someone from work? Yes On a business trip? No Was she having an affair? No | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 794 Registered: 8-2011 |
Was she doing something work-related? Does she have a good alibi because someone saw her? lots of people? Is her hair naturally straight? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2842 Registered: 2-2011 |
so the police knew she couldn't have done it because she had an alibi? but was there another reason why they knew it wasn't murder? did he sit in the bath and drop the iron in? did he need to ue an extension cable? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16532 Registered: 4-2010 |
Was she doing something work-related? Yesish Does she have a good alibi because someone saw her? Yes lots of people? A few Is her hair naturally straight? No so the police knew she couldn't have done it because she had an alibi? Yes but was there another reason why they knew it wasn't murder? Yope -- the man used the flat iron for a reason in his attempted frame-up, but he forgot something obvious that foiled the frame-up. HINT: the method of suicide is relevant. did he sit in the bath and drop the iron in? Yes did he need to ue an extension cable? Irrel | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2849 Registered: 2-2011 |
when he died did the iron leave marks on his hand? or become welded to his hand? did he make a mistake which someone used to irons would not have made? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16542 Registered: 4-2010 |
when he died did the iron leave marks on his hand? or become welded to his hand? Neither did he make a mistake which someone used to irons would not have made? No. It was a really obvious mistake. | ||
| Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
New member Username: Kyeannpepper Post Number: 214 Registered: 1-2012 |
Did he fail to plug the iron in? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16547 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did he fail to plug the iron in? No RECAP: A man committed suicide by dropping his wife's flat iron into the bathtub while he was in it. He was trying to frame his wife, but he failed to realize two things. The first was that his wife had an alibi. The second... HINT: All the information you need is in this recap. ANOTHER HINT: Along with the man's body and the flat iron, a washcloth was found in the tub. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2861 Registered: 2-2011 |
was he able to drop the iron into the bath whilst sitting in a normal sort of position? I mean that after he died was he found slumped in a way which indicated that he hadn't been sitting casually in the bath? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16552 Registered: 4-2010 |
was he able to drop the iron into the bath whilst sitting in a normal sort of position? Yes I mean that after he died was he found slumped in a way which indicated that he hadn't been sitting casually in the bath? Understood, and No | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2869 Registered: 2-2011 |
thanks for understanding me! did he hold the iron by a washcloth so that his prints wouldn't be on the iron? but then neither were his wife's? or he had smeared them with the washcloth? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16556 Registered: 4-2010 |
thanks for understanding me! No problem! did he hold the iron by a washcloth so that his prints wouldn't be on the iron? Yes... but then neither were his wife's? YES... or he had smeared them with the washcloth? No | ||
| Ciaobella (Ciaobella)
New member Username: Ciaobella Post Number: 805 Registered: 8-2011 |
Did the police have some reason to conclude that the wife had not used the washcloth to hold the flat iron (other than the fact that she wasn't there)? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2876 Registered: 2-2011 |
was it a brand new iron that she hadn't even had the chance to handle? did he have to mend the iron before he used it and she couldn't have done that? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16560 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the police have some reason to conclude that the wife had not used the washcloth to hold the flat iron (other than the fact that she wasn't there)? OTWT entirely. was it a brand new iron that she hadn't even had the chance to handle? No did he have to mend the iron before he used it and she couldn't have done that? No HINT: Why were the wife's prints not on the iron? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 2883 Registered: 2-2011 |
well, der! because she didn't kill him! did he get in the bath first then reach over to plug the iron in? and got electrocuted at that point so the iron never did fall in the bath? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16564 Registered: 4-2010 |
well, der! because she didn't kill him! That's not the reason... Remember that it's her iron. did he get in the bath first then reach over to plug the iron in? and got electrocuted at that point so the iron never did fall in the bath? Neither | ||
| Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
New member Username: Kyeannpepper Post Number: 225 Registered: 1-2012 |
Had she not used the iron before? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16567 Registered: 4-2010 |
Had she not used the iron before? No, she had. I think you have enough that I can walk you through the man's reasoning. His wife frequently used her flat iron, so her fingerprints would be all over it. By holding it with a washcloth as he dropped it into the tub, he would ensure not getting his own prints on it. But why would her prints NOT be on it when the body was discovered? | ||
| Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
New member Username: Kyeannpepper Post Number: 246 Registered: 1-2012 |
Did the water wash them off? | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 16572 Registered: 4-2010 |
Did the water wash them off? Yep! **********SPOILER********** A man committed suicide by dropping his wife's flat iron into the tub while he sat in it. He tried to frame his wife by the use of the murder weapon, since he knew her fingerprints were all over it. However, he failed to realize that the water in the tub would wash away all prints from the iron, and since his wife had an alibi (she was carpooling to work), the police determined correctly that it was a suicide. Nice work everyone. New puzzle in a bit. |
