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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, February 14, 2012 - 12:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man committed suicide and tried to make it look like murder. However, he failed to realize something obvious, and the police closed the case as a suicide. What happened?
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The man: HAM? Relevant?
Reason that he wanted it to look like murder relevant?
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The man: HAM? Relevant? Yes and Yes
Reason that he wanted it to look like murder relevant? Somewhat. The reason not so much as something else
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Did he frame someone specific?
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did he want it not to look like suicide for insurance purposes?

did he shoot himself? drown himself? knife himself? poison himself? gas himself? throw himself in front of a train/car?
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Did he frame someone specific? Yes

did he want it not to look like suicide for insurance purposes? No, see above

did he shoot himself? drown himself? knife himself? poison himself? gas himself? throw himself in front of a train/car? None of these

Slight BLOOPER in the puzzle statement. I said that "he failed to realize something obvious." Actually, he failed to realize two things; one obvious that anyone should know, and one specific to the puzzle scenario.
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Was the person related to him? If so, a spouse? a child? a parent? a sibling?
Was the person someone he sees regularly? If so, a co-worker? a supervisor? a subordinate? a friend? a lover?
Was a weapon involved in his death?
Frame someone for revenge? If so, relevant why?
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Was the person related to him? Yes If so, a spouse? This -- his wife a child? a parent? a sibling?
Was the person someone he sees regularly? If so, a co-worker? a supervisor? a subordinate? a friend? a lover?
Was a weapon involved in his death? Yes, DOYD of "weapon"
Frame someone for revenge? Yes but not really relevant If so, relevant why? No, not really
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Death by: suffocation? Strangulation? Drowning? Inhalation? Blood loss? Disease? Trauma? Projectile? Fall? Impact? Vehicle? Poison? Animal? Explosion? Electrocution? Hanging? Heat? Cold? Fire? Starvation? Thirst? Decapitation?
Did his wife have an alibi?
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Death by: suffocation? Strangulation? Drowning? Inhalation? Blood loss? Disease? Trauma? Projectile? Fall? Impact? Vehicle? Poison? Animal? Explosion? Electrocution? This Hanging? Heat? Cold? Fire? Starvation? Thirst? Decapitation?
Did his wife have an alibi? Yes
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Is the obvious thing her alibi? Did he drop an electric appliance into his bath? If so, relevant which? Is his level of knowledge about electricity relevant? Is hers?
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Is the obvious thing her alibi? Yes, but that's only one of them (the one specific to the puzzle) Did he drop an electric appliance into his bath? Yes, DOYD of "appliance" If so, relevant which? Yes Is his level of knowledge about electricity relevant? Is hers? Neither
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Was it something large that his wife could not have lifted?
Relevant that it was a man framing a woman and not the other way around?
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Was it something large that his wife could not have lifted? No
Relevant that it was a man framing a woman and not the other way around? Somewhat
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Is the appliance one typically found in a kitchen? a bath? a bedroom? an office? a living room/ family room? a child's room? a workshop/ garage? outdoors? (Let us know if there is more than one answer)

Relevant what her alibi is? If so, was she with someone? Was she at work? Was there physical evidence of her alibi (such as a time punch card, video footage, etc.)?
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Is the appliance one typically found in a kitchen? a bath? a bedroom? an office? a living room/ family room? a child's room? a workshop/ garage? outdoors? (Let us know if there is more than one answer) Bathroom

Relevant what her alibi is? Yope If so, was she with someone? Yes Was she at work? No, but... Was there physical evidence of her alibi (such as a time punch card, video footage, etc.)? Not like this, No
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Is the appliance something one would use to get ready in the morning? If so, an electric razor? a hair curling/straightening/flat iron? a blow dryer?

Was she with someone from work? On a business trip? Was she having an affair?
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Is the appliance something one would use to get ready in the morning? Yes If so, an electric razor? a hair curling/straightening/flat iron? Flat iron a blow dryer?

Was she with someone from work? Yes On a business trip? No Was she having an affair? No
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Was she doing something work-related? Does she have a good alibi because someone saw her? lots of people? Is her hair naturally straight?
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 10:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so the police knew she couldn't have done it because she had an alibi? but was there another reason why they knew it wasn't murder?

did he sit in the bath and drop the iron in? did he need to ue an extension cable?
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Was she doing something work-related? Yesish Does she have a good alibi because someone saw her? Yes lots of people? A few Is her hair naturally straight? No

so the police knew she couldn't have done it because she had an alibi? Yes but was there another reason why they knew it wasn't murder? Yope -- the man used the flat iron for a reason in his attempted frame-up, but he forgot something obvious that foiled the frame-up. HINT: the method of suicide is relevant.

did he sit in the bath and drop the iron in? Yes did he need to ue an extension cable? Irrel
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Posted on Wednesday, February 22, 2012 - 11:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

when he died did the iron leave marks on his hand? or become welded to his hand?

did he make a mistake which someone used to irons would not have made?
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when he died did the iron leave marks on his hand? or become welded to his hand? Neither

did he make a mistake which someone used to irons would not have made? No. It was a really obvious mistake.
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Did he fail to plug the iron in?
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Did he fail to plug the iron in? No

RECAP: A man committed suicide by dropping his wife's flat iron into the bathtub while he was in it. He was trying to frame his wife, but he failed to realize two things. The first was that his wife had an alibi. The second...

HINT: All the information you need is in this recap.

ANOTHER HINT: Along with the man's body and the flat iron, a washcloth was found in the tub.
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was he able to drop the iron into the bath whilst sitting in a normal sort of position? I mean that after he died was he found slumped in a way which indicated that he hadn't been sitting casually in the bath?
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was he able to drop the iron into the bath whilst sitting in a normal sort of position? Yes I mean that after he died was he found slumped in a way which indicated that he hadn't been sitting casually in the bath? Understood, and No
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thanks for understanding me!

did he hold the iron by a washcloth so that his prints wouldn't be on the iron? but then neither were his wife's? or he had smeared them with the washcloth?
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thanks for understanding me! No problem!

did he hold the iron by a washcloth so that his prints wouldn't be on the iron? Yes... but then neither were his wife's? YES... or he had smeared them with the washcloth? No
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Did the police have some reason to conclude that the wife had not used the washcloth to hold the flat iron (other than the fact that she wasn't there)?
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was it a brand new iron that she hadn't even had the chance to handle?

did he have to mend the iron before he used it and she couldn't have done that?
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Did the police have some reason to conclude that the wife had not used the washcloth to hold the flat iron (other than the fact that she wasn't there)? OTWT entirely.

was it a brand new iron that she hadn't even had the chance to handle? No

did he have to mend the iron before he used it and she couldn't have done that? No

HINT: Why were the wife's prints not on the iron?
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well, der! because she didn't kill him!

did he get in the bath first then reach over to plug the iron in? and got electrocuted at that point so the iron never did fall in the bath?
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well, der! because she didn't kill him! That's not the reason... Remember that it's her iron.

did he get in the bath first then reach over to plug the iron in? and got electrocuted at that point so the iron never did fall in the bath? Neither
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Had she not used the iron before?
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Posted on Saturday, February 25, 2012 - 2:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had she not used the iron before? No, she had.

I think you have enough that I can walk you through the man's reasoning. His wife frequently used her flat iron, so her fingerprints would be all over it. By holding it with a washcloth as he dropped it into the tub, he would ensure not getting his own prints on it.

But why would her prints NOT be on it when the body was discovered?
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Did the water wash them off?
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Did the water wash them off? Yep!

**********SPOILER**********

A man committed suicide by dropping his wife's flat iron into the tub while he sat in it. He tried to frame his wife by the use of the murder weapon, since he knew her fingerprints were all over it. However, he failed to realize that the water in the tub would wash away all prints from the iron, and since his wife had an alibi (she was carpooling to work), the police determined correctly that it was a suicide.

Nice work everyone. New puzzle in a bit.

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