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What meant nothing to him was the end of science as they knew it.
Yes, this is Potato's recent puzzle statement with just one change. The solution is entirely different, I assure you.
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Space shuttle program relevant?

Don't worry; I rip off LTPF puzzle statements with entirely new solutions all the time. It's an unwritten rule that it's OK as long as you credit the source.
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Space shuttle program relevant? No
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*is falling asleep* *yawn* cheezburgur relevant? I suspect it's only relevant cos I don't have any...=( the cheezburgur bugz must have got them...

I'll think of better questions tomorrow, hopefully!
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He = HAM?

True story? FYOI? FSEI?

[LTPF list of centuries], please?

Copernicus relevant?
Is a dog involved?

Any of these relevant?
Math?
Physics?
Chemistry?
Biology?
Medicine?
Computer science?
Astronomy?
Engineering?
Sports?
Economy?
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Charles Darwin relevant? Evolution theory?
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potato and rbruma win on better questions. *has run out of better questions cos they asked them first* *will wait to see the answers* =D
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*is falling asleep* *yawn* cheezburgur relevant? I suspect it's only relevant cos I don't have any...=( the cheezburgur bugz must have got them... poor kayleekitteh! *givez cheezburgur and cheezburgur bugz repelant*

I'll think of better questions tomorrow, hopefully!

He = HAM? No/Yes/Yes

True story? This one FYOI? FSEI?

[LTPF list of centuries], please? 21st century

Copernicus relevant? No
Is a dog involved? No

Any of these relevant?
Math? This one
Physics?
Chemistry?
Biology?
Medicine?
Computer science?
Astronomy?
Engineering?
Sports?
Economy?
Charles Darwin relevant? Not really Evolution theory? This one

potato and rbruma win on better questions. *has run out of better questions cos they asked them first* *will wait to see the answers* =D Answered!
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"Beagle..." of course.

Is "he" an ape? Another primate?

Is he alive? Dead? A fossil? Skeleton (complete or incomplete)?
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"Beagle..." of course. Huh?

Is "he" an ape? Another primate? No to both

Is he alive? This one Dead? A fossil? Skeleton (complete or incomplete)?
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is he a mammal? reptile? bird? fish? insect? amphibian?
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Kyeann: "Beagle" referring to Darwin's ship as a hint to evolution in the puzzle. Figured it had to be somehow relevant.
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is he a mammal? reptile? bird? This one fish? insect? amphibian?

Kyeann: "Beagle" referring to Darwin's ship as a hint to evolution in the puzzle. Figured it had to be somehow relevant. Ohh...I didn't know that!
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was it an action the bird performed?

did the bird find or retrieve a particular object?
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was it an action the bird performed? This one

did the bird find or retrieve a particular object? No
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RECAP:
What meant nothing to him was the end of science as they knew it.
"He" is an adult, living, male bird who performed some relevant action. Math and evolution are relevant.
Google is NOT ALLOWED (anymore) on this puzzle. I'm very sorry to all of you, but once you find certain details, Googling would $poil the puzzle. *evil grin at hidden hint*
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Are Darwin's finches relevant?
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Are Darwin's finches relevant? No, other than that they're birds. But don't concentrate on that!
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Is he a budgie or other talking bird? Or just a generic bird?
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did the bird eat a particular thing? use something as a tool? use reasoning to do something?
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Is he a budgie or other talking bird? YES!!! But not a budgie Or just a generic bird? So no.
did the bird eat a particular thing? use something as a tool? use reasoning to do something? This one!
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Is he, maybe, an African gray parrot?
(No, I didn't google.)
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Is he, maybe, an African gray parrot? Yes!
(No, I didn't google.)
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Could the parrot actually speak and is it relevant? Is a breeding program involved?
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did he work out how to get at some food?
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Could the parrot actually speak and is it relevant? Yes! Is a breeding program involved? No
did he work out how to get at some food? No, OTWT
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So, something the parrot said is relevant? Were "they" really scientists? WAS it really the end of any science, or did they have a false assumption?
Did the parrot say a phrase or a single word? Make a sound?
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did what the parrot said make sense in that context?
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So, something the parrot said is relevant? YES! Were "they" really scientists? yes WAS it really the end of any science, or did they have a false assumption? Hard to answer w/out $poiling. More like that branch of science wouldn't be the same.
Did the parrot say a phrase or a single word? Two words, at different times Make a sound?
did what the parrot said make sense in that context? The first thing, NO. The second thing, yes
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Did the parrot say a number/numbers?
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Did the parrot say a number/numbers? Yes!
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had the parrot done a sum? counted something?
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had the parrot done a sum? counted something?
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The same number both time or different numbers?
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had the parrot done a sum? counted something? This one!
The same number both time or different numbers? Different!
And a few questions on my Be Careful What You Wish For puzzle would be greatly appreciated!
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Did the parrot count the same objects (or non-objects...) both times?
The same amount both times?
Was any of the parrot's replies correct? Both?
Did the scientists find out that the parrot couldn't actually count? =P
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Did the parrot count the same objects (or non-objects...) both times? Yes, he counted the same objects each time.
The same amount both times? No!
Was any of the parrot's replies correct? Both? One reply was correct.
Did the scientists find out that the parrot couldn't actually count? =P They found out that he could indeed count. He could count very well.
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Was the parrot's first or second reply correct?
Did he count fewer or more objects the first time?
When he gave the wrong answer, did he answer with a number that was too high or too low?
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Was the parrot's first or second reply correct? DOYD of 'correct'. If pressed, though, I would say first response was incorrect, and second was correct.
Did he count fewer or more objects the first time? More
When he gave the wrong answer, did he answer with a number that was too high or too low? It was just...wrong. Not too high, not too low.
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Relevant what the parrot was counting?
Real, solid objects?
Did he count by vision? or touch? (perhaps picking the objects up one by one?)
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Relevant what the parrot was counting? Not really.
Real, solid objects? Yes
Did he count by vision? or touch? (perhaps picking the objects up one by one?) Vision.
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Did the scientists instruct the parrot to count the object? Was the point of the test (if that is what it was) to find out if the parrot could count or not?
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Did the scientists instruct the parrot to count the object? Yes! Was the point of the test (if that is what it was) to find out if the parrot could count or not? Yes! (With VERY slight -ish)
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Did the parrot count on two seperate occasions, or was it just one occasion? (like, the same day, hour, minute..?)
Relevant why the parrot at first gave the wrong answer?
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Did the parrot count on two seperate occasions, or was it just one occasion? (like, the same day, hour, minute..?) One occasion, the same minute or so.
Relevant why the parrot at first gave the wrong answer? YES!
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I'm a little confused about this one...

Was the parrot 'supposed' to answer the question wrong? Was it a trick?
Did the parrot really not make a mistake? or make a mistake for a legit reason?
Did the parrot not know the right word for answering the first question? (As if, for example, they showed him 11 object, but had only taught him to count to 10?) Speaking of which, were the parrot's replies both numbers between 1 and 10? 1 and 20?
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I'm a little confused about this one...

Was the parrot 'supposed' to answer the question wrong? No Was it a trick? Yes-watch out for FAs!
Did the parrot really not make a mistake? or make a mistake for a legit reason? This one, I suppose
Did the parrot not know the right word for answering the first question? (As if, for example, they showed him 11 object, but had only taught him to count to 10?) He knew the right word Speaking of which, were the parrot's replies both numbers between 1 and 10? The first one was this. 1 and 20? The second isn't here.
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Was the parrot performing infront of an audience? (other than the scientists?)
Was the second reply between 1 and 100? Was it zero?
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Was the parrot performing infront of an audience? (other than the scientists?) No
Was the second reply between 1 and 100? Was it zero? It was zero!
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So "zero" was the correct reply to the second question? Was the correct reply to the first question also "zero"?
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So "zero" was the correct reply to the second question? YES!!! Was the correct reply to the first question also "zero"? No
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Which of the following statements are correct:
They showed him a number of objects. Asked him to count them. He gave the wrong answer. They removed the objects. Asked him to count them again. He replied "zero".

Relevant how many objects the parrot was shown the first time? Did the scientists try to fool the parrot?
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Which of the following statements are correct:
They showed him a number of objects. True Asked him to count them.True He gave the wrong answer. TrueThey removed the objects. False Asked him to count them again. Fue (False+True) He replied "zero". True

Relevant how many objects the parrot was shown the first time? no Did the scientists try to fool the parrot? Yes, might be misleading
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When asked the second question, could the parrot see the objects?
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When asked the second question, could the parrot see the objects? Yes
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I feel so stupid... I assume I'm missing something/having a FA -_-,

Were objects removed between the first and the second count?
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Did they show him zero objects the first time?
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Were objects removed between the first and the second count? No
Did they show him zero objects the first time? No
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Was the second question "How many objects were removed?"
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Was the second question "How many objects were removed?" No
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Balin, heeeelp me..! =/

Relevant how the question/s was phrased? Was the question/s oral? Were both questions identical? Were they both simple instructions to count objects?

Relevant how many objects are involved?
Relevant exactly what the parrot's reply was the fist time?
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I'm trying...

Could you please recap?
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Balin, heeeelp me..! =/

Relevant how the question/s was phrased? YES! Was the question/s oral? Yes, both were oral. Were both questions identical? No Were they both simple instructions to count objects? Yes

Relevant how many objects are involved? Not particularly
Relevant exactly what the parrot's reply was the fist time? Not really, I'll tell you it was five.
I'm trying...

Could you please recap? Okay. We have found out that 'he' is an adult, living African gray parrot. While counting something, he gave an incorrect answer ('Five'). This lead to a different question being asked, to which he answered 'zero'.
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Was a general word like "objects" used for what should be counted? or a specific one (e.g., how many BIRDS are there? Did the first question incorrectly describe the objects to be counted? or equivalently, had the parrot been taught the wrong definition of the object(s)?

To clarify, I'm imagining a scenario like the following: The parrot is shown a row of shapes, and asked "how many squares are there?". They intend that he will count them all, but in fact, all but five of the "squares" are really rectangles, and he doesn't count those. Then he is asked "how many circles are there", and correctly says "zero", showing that he isn't merely counting things, but knows the words for shapes too.
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Was a general word like "objects" used for what should be counted? or a specific one (e.g., how many BIRDS are there? A specific word Did the first question incorrectly describe the objects to be counted? no or equivalently, had the parrot been taught the wrong definition of the object(s)? no

To clarify, I'm imagining a scenario like the following: The parrot is shown a row of shapes, and asked "how many squares are there?". This would work fine for this scenario They intend that he will count them all, Right but in fact, all but five of the "squares" are really rectangles, This part is incorrect and he doesn't count those. Then he is asked "how many circles are there", and correctly says "zero", Er, something like this showing that he isn't merely counting things, but knows the words for shapes too. This is OTRT
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Can we, for the sake of the puzzle, assume that the parrot is being asked qestions about the amounts of geometric figures?
Does both questions start with "how many"?
Are dogs relevant at all?
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Can we, for the sake of the puzzle, assume that the parrot is being asked qestions about the amounts of geometric figures? Sure
Does both questions start with "how many"? No
Are dogs relevant at all? No
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Does either question start with "how many"? Or is the "question" more like an instruction, like "Count the ...whatever"?
Was the scene, or picture, or whatever, that the parrot was looking at, identical when he gave the second reply, as when he gave the first reply?
How many FA:s have I got?
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Does either question start with "how many"? No Or is the "question" more like an instruction, like "Count the ...whatever"? No, it was a question
Was the scene, or picture, or whatever, that the parrot was looking at, identical when he gave the second reply, as when he gave the first reply? Yes
How many FA:s have I got? I can't find any obvious ones. You were assuming that the questions started with 'How many', but that's been cleared.
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Are written numbers involved?
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Are written numbers involved? No
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Was either question phrased in the sense of "Can you tell me... ?", where the "real" question is hidden within a longer, rhetorical question?

Was either phrased as "What is the number of... ?" If so, did the parrot think that one of the objects was supposed to have a number ON IT?

Was there a good reason for NOT phrasing the questions starting with "How many"? I.e., would there not have been a way to ask the same question in this form? or was it just a coincidence of conversational speech that the question was phrased in some other (possibly more ambiguous) way?
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Was either question phrased in the sense of "Can you tell me... ?", where the "real" question is hidden within a longer, rhetorical question? No

Was either phrased as "What is the number of... ?" No If so, did the parrot think that one of the objects was supposed to have a number ON IT?

Was there a good reason for NOT phrasing the questions starting with "How many"? Yes I.e., would there not have been a way to ask the same question in this form? YES! or was it just a coincidence of conversational speech that the question was phrased in some other (possibly more ambiguous) way? So not this
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Did the question/s start with either of these words:
what
where
how
is?
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Did the question/s start with either of these words:
what This one
where
how
is?
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Both questions starts with "what"? The parrot wasn't asked to do a sum, right? (as in, "what's two and three?)
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Both questions starts with "what"? Yes, sorry, meant to say that originally. The parrot wasn't asked to do a sum, right? (as in, "what's two and three?) Right.
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And he wasn't doing any other calculation (subtracting, dividing... have to be a real smart parrot to do that...) either, correct?
Merely counting objects?

*sigh*
Did both questions start with "what is..?"
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And he wasn't doing any other calculation (subtracting, dividing... have to be a real smart parrot to do that...) either, correct? Right
Merely counting objects? Yope

*sigh*
Did both questions start with "what is..?" I'll give you the first two words: What shape...
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If I figure out the question, will the puzzle be solved?
Was the question something like: "What shape is green?" and they wanted/expected him to answer with a geometrical word, but he replied with a number? The second question was similar: "What shape is red?" And the answer should have been "circle", but the parrot was creative and replied "zero"? Please let this be it... or I'll suffer from sleepless nights over this puzzle. >_<
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If I figure out the question, will the puzzle be solved? Sure!
Was the question something like: "What shape is green?" VERY close and they wanted/expected him to answer with a geometrical word, YES!!! but he replied with a number? Yes! The second question was similar: "What shape is red?" Right And the answer should have been "circle", but the parrot was creative and replied "zero"? No Please let this be it... or I'll suffer from sleepless nights over this puzzle. >_< Shall I take pity on you and post the $poiler?
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No... I don't want to give up so close to the solution... *growls*

Was the (first) question:
"What shape is this?"
"What shape is *number*?"
"What shape is *geometrical word*?"
Was either of the questions intended as an instruction for the parrot to count anything?
DID the parrot actually count something?
Am I stupid? -_-,
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No... I don't want to give up so close to the solution... *growls* Okay, okay *holds hands up and backs away slowly*

Was the (first) question:
"What shape is this?"
"What shape is *number*?" YES!!! Both questions actually!
"What shape is *geometrical word*?"
Was either of the questions intended as an instruction for the parrot to count anything?
DID the parrot actually count something?
Am I stupid? -_-, Clearly not, as I can now post the
***************SPOILER***************

Alex, an African grey parrot, would often have an exercise in which he would count shapes. In this example, he might have two squares, three circles, and a triangle. His trainer said, "What shape two?" (as in, which shape are there two of?). Alex said, "Five" instead of 'square'. Frustrated, his trainer said, "Okay smarty, what shape five?" Alex said, "None," not only showing understanding of the concept of 'zero', but manipulating his trainer into letting him showing this off! (Wikipedia says it just shows he got bored. I got MY information from Nat Geo kids magazine, which is MUCH more reliable!)
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Oh, and look for my NEW puzzle at the bottom of the page later today!
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So sad how Alex unexpectedly died though :-(
Weren't his last words something like "Be good, see you tomorrow. Love you"? From what I remember, this parrot would at times just get fed up, and in general had quite a temper. But if you were being trained all day to learn language, wouldn't you get bored at times too?
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I've not been this frustrated with a puzzle since 'Rainy day'. ,-_-, Good one, though!
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So sad how Alex unexpectedly died though :-(
Weren't his last words something like "Be good, see you tomorrow. Love you"? Yes, that is SO sad. :-( From what I remember, this parrot would at times just get fed up, and in general had quite a temper. But if you were being trained all day to learn language, wouldn't you get bored at times too?
I've not been this frustrated with a puzzle since 'Rainy day'. ,-_-, Good one, though! Thanks! I forgot to
Give Emma_nilsson a shiny gold star for most of the work and the solve!
Bonus points to everyone else who worked on this!
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And forgot to explain the significance of the title. This quote is from the movie "Underdog". Underdog just happens to be *gasp* a dog! Both dogs and parrots are animals. The relation to evolution was a total accident...Or was it...
And my new puzzle will be posted within the next five minutes!

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