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I used to have a passive scrund about politics, and I bet some of you did, too. What is it?
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American politics? International politics?
International organizations like the UN?
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American politics? yes International politics? yes
International organizations like the UN? yes
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Does this have to do with political speeches?
Something to do with how politicians are paid?
Is it related to voting?
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Does this have to do with political speeches? no
Something to do with how politicians are paid? no
Is it related to voting? no
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Public political position vs. personal positions? For example, a politician that publicly states that he is in favor of stricter gun laws but actually is not?
Would this scrund also apply to internal politics within a business?
How political disputes are typically resolved?
constituents relevant?
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Public political position vs. personal positions? no For example, a politician that publicly states that he is in favor of stricter gun laws but actually is not? no
Would this scrund also apply to internal politics within a business? some but not all
How political disputes are typically resolved? no
constituents relevant? no
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the electoral college relevant? (apologies if that was asked before, I'm feeling too sleepy to re-read the whole puzzle, and it's all I could come up with)
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the electoral college relevant? (apologies if that was asked before, I'm feeling too sleepy to re-read the whole puzzle, and it's all I could come up with) no
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HINT: People of all political persuasions are equally likely to have this scrund.
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Did you misunderstand the meaning of a term used to describe the beliefs and ideals of a certain political persuasion (such as thinking a "liberal" is "left-wing")?

Would people in most developed countries be approximately equally likely to have this scrund?

Would politicians be less likely to have the scrund than non-politicians?
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political parties? Party names? Could a Libertarian (big L, meaning party member) have this scrund? A libertarian (small l, meaning subscribing to the philosophy but not necessarily a party member)? A Democrat? A Republican? A member of the Conservative Party of New York? Any conservative? Any liberal? A member of the now non-existent Liberal Party of New York? Someone of the Rent is Too Damn High Party? Any third-party member? An independent? Speaking of which, are third-parties or independents relevant?
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Did you misunderstand the meaning of a term used to describe the beliefs and ideals of a certain political persuasion (such as thinking a "liberal" is "left-wing")?no but you're ORTish

Would people in most developed countries be approximately equally likely to have this scrund?Yes, with one exception--France (to spare you from having to give the list of countries

Would politicians be less likely to have the scrund than non-politicians? maybe a little less likely
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political parties? noParty names? noCould a Libertarian (big L, meaning party member) have this scrund? yes|A libertarian (small l, meaning subscribing to the philosophy but not necessarily a party member)? yesA Democrat? yesA Republican? yesA member of the Conservative Party of New York? yesAny conservative? yesAny liberal? yesA member of the now non-existent Liberal Party of New York? yesSomeone of the Rent is Too Damn High Party? yesAny third-party member? yesAn independent? yesSpeaking of which, are third-parties or independents relevant? no
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Separation of powers/branches of government relevant? Is any terminology relevant? Are elections relevant?

Is a particular political role relevant? Head of state? President? Prime Minister?

Would French people be more likely to have the scrund? Less likely? Is there something particular about the French political system that leads to this? Something about the French language?
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Separation of powers/branches of government relevant? no Is any terminology relevant? yesAre elections relevant? not specifically

Is a particular political role relevant? noHead of state? noPresident? noPrime Minister? no

Would French people be more likely to have the scrund? noLess likely? yes, although I'm sure some French people do have itIs there something particular about the French political system that leads to this? yopeSomething about the French language? yope
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Is it a political term that comes from French?
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Is it a political term that comes from French? yes
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Laissez-faire?
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Laissez-faire?no
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Laissez-faire is the enemy of all 7th grade history kids who have to spell that right.
Bourgeoisie? Proletariat?
Scratch the above. ALL French words are the enemy of 7th grade history kids who have to spell them right.
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Yikes I think I know part of the answer but I ruined all the fun by googling!
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Yikes I think I know part of the answer but I ruined all the fun by googling!
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Ok... Left-wing and right-wing relevant?
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Laissez-faire is the enemy of all 7th grade history kids who have to spell that right.
Bourgeoisie?no Proletariat?no
Scratch the above. ALL French words are the enemy of 7th grade history kids who have to spell them right.
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Yikes I think I know part of the answer but I ruined all the fun by googling!
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Yikes I think I know part of the answer but I ruined all the fun by googling!
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Ok... Left-wing and right-wing relevant? yes
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Ok at this point, even although I don't know the answer, I'm going to find it more entertaining to hang loose and find out through this puzzle. I'm curious too. I suspect that it has to do with a word that starts with the letter "s" followed by "e"...
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Ok at this point, even although I don't know the answer, I'm going to find it more entertaining to hang loose and find out through this puzzle. I'm curious too. I suspect that it has to do with a word that starts with the letter "s" followed by "e"... No--in fact, I have no idea what word you have in mind, so please enlighten me!!
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Left-right politics relevant? Liberalism vs. conservatism? Collective vs. individual rights? For a long time, I thought left-right was just Democrat vs. Republican, but it's not that simple. The PATRIOT Act, from a global standpoint, is rather towards the left, since it supports national security (collective) over individual rights (like privacy or free speech)?
He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither
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Was "security" the "se" word, Beachbum?
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Ok Nimue, again hesitant because I googled, but by "s" and "e", I mean is seating relevant?

Gregory, great post.. A lot of people, at least in the USA, equate liberalism with left-wing, , although that is not at all true. And same with right-wing vs. conservatism to a lesser extent (although I'm not as sure of this.. even though there are several axes of political conservatism (financial, family values, government size...). ).

But yes I meant "Is seating relevant?"

And your quote quote "He who sacrifices... Is probably my favourite lately. It so describes the attitude lately here, and how it is so contrary to the principles that the USA is based on. - I'll have to google to find out who spoke it. To me it's a reminder of what USA used to be, vs. how it developed into a bunch of wimps that are so afraid of dying by some sort of terrorism, that they're quite willing to sacrifice their freedom.
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Left-right politics relevant? yes Liberalism vs. conservatism? yes Collective vs. individual rights? yes For a long time, I thought left-right was just Democrat vs. Republican, but it's not that simple. The PATRIOT Act, from a global standpoint, is rather towards the left, since it supports national security (collective) over individual rights (like privacy or free speech)?
He who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither Everyone sacrifices some liberty for some security & vice versa; neither value is absolute.What kind of person would be unwilling to sacrifice the liberty to kill everyone who displeases him? Moreover, I'm happy to sacrifice the liberty to board a plane without going through a metal detector, although I wouldn't sacrifice the liberty to board a plane without going through a body cavity search.
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Was "security" the "se" word, Beachbum?
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Ok Nimue, again hesitant because I googled, but by "s" and "e", I mean is seating relevant?

Gregory, great post.. A lot of people, at least in the USA, equate liberalism with left-wing, , although that is not at all true. And same with right-wing vs. conservatism to a lesser extent (although I'm not as sure of this.. even though there are several axes of political conservatism (financial, family values, government size...). ).

But yes I meant "Is seating relevant?"\b {Now I feel STUPID, because seating is relevant!!}

And your quote quote "He who sacrifices... Is probably my favourite lately. It so describes the attitude lately here, and how it is so contrary to the principles that the USA is based on. - I'll have to google to find out who spoke it. To me it's a reminder of what USA used to be, vs. how it developed into a bunch of wimps that are so afraid of dying by some sort of terrorism, that they're quite willing to sacrifice their freedom. Sorry, I don't think I'm a wimp for wanting to keep people with guns off airplanes.

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Like many people, I used to take it for granted that the political terms 'left' & ''right' were metaphors--the right was staid,& upright, etc. But their real origin comes from who sat where in Parliament during the French Revolution. Thanks for solving it Beachbum, & please scroll down to the bottom of the page for. . . .
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Ben Franklin, I believe. And BTW, you don't have the liberty to kill everyone who you want. Your liberty can't infringe on my liberty, and vice versa. According to John Locke (who I would agree with), we have three rights - life, liberty, and property. As long as we are not infringing on anyone else's life, liberty, or property, we should be allowed freedom to do as we please.
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Well, your carrying a gun on a plane interferes with my liberty.
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OK, it's actually your firing a gun on a plane that interferes with my liberty, but it's reasonable for the plane not to let you board with a gun.Lots of security checks aim to keep violent people from interfering with other people's liberty.
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And TSA agents giving me an "enhanced pat-down" to ensure I don't have a gun in my underpants violates my liberty.
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Of course there are limits to how security agents should be allowed to conduct searches.
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Nimue, are you a US citizen as well?
You are enlightening me in pointing out that there is no absolute. I think this is true with any political dimension. For example, the absolute of libertarianism is in fact anarchy, which implies no government at all.

Assuming so, I agree that your compromise is perhaps reasonable about not allowing people to board with carry-on guns (stowed in the cargo compartment I think we both agree would be fine.) But the issue is not just about airplanes. It seems that legislation is interfering in every aspect of life. For example, smoking tobacco is outlawed in many areas, even in Times Square in Manhattan!
(I actually witnessed a police officer in Times Square yelling at someone to put a cigarette. It was actually pretty unnerving to witness.)

"Red Light" cameras are in place in many urban areas. And there are now regulations even about what ingredients chefs are allowed to use in NYC restaurants.

And why your focus on air travel? Would you like to also get frisked for weapons every time you board a train or bus, or enter a public building?

On one hand, I do agree with your enlightened thought that liberty vs. freedom isn't absolute. However, I do think that US citizens are in general a bunch of wimps that have no concept of statistics. And this has happened because our federal government rhetoric, and mass media.

I for one, would much prefer the infinitesimal chance of dying in a non-terrorist plane crash, then have to pass through security. Do you really think that you have more probability of dying due to some insane person shooting up a plane, than your chances of being maimed or killed on the drive to the airport?

My country is just not the one I used to be proud of. I would gladly take a greater chance of dying in a given year, than agree to this police state that the USA has become.

In the end, I value my liberty far more than my personal safety.I am control of the latter, but my government enforces the former. I am far more likely to die from cancer or heart disease or a car crash. We all die sometime.
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And once again, I think one of the benefits of participating in LTPF is not just guessing the puzzles , but the education (and really, most of these puzzles are more of the 20 questions type .. I would venture to say that more than half aren't pure lateral puzzles in the strict sense - but that doesn't keep them from being entertaining and insightul).
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You are something like five thousand times more likely to die in a car crash on your way to the airport than aboard the flight. And that includes general aviation incidents (aka crashes that could not have been prevented by stricter security procedures). Plus, ever notice how the security never caught any terrorists? Shoebomber was caught by people on the plane. So was undiebomber.
I agree it's not absolute (you probably shouldn't be able to take a loaded firearm on the plane, although then again, if you could, someone might have been able to stop the terrorists on 9/11 who managed to sneak their weapons by security). And while I am a libertarian, I am not an anarchist. And I should point out that the "extreme" of liberalism is communism, but I don't think Nimue is a communist (I know she's liberal from her Occupy puzzle).
Did you hear the recent Supreme Court case that authorized strip searches for any crime, no matter how minor, when they arrest you? Basically, get ready to strip for unpaid parking tickets. Not going to be fun.
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Posted on Friday, April 06, 2012 - 5:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As I said, I support some infringements of liberty as part of the cost of living in society & that, obviously, does not entail strip searches for unpaid parking tickets. I think this debate has gotten to the point where we are just rehashing the same old points, so I am hereby retiring from it.
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Posted on Friday, April 06, 2012 - 6:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Me too :-) I think we agree.

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