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Posted on Thursday, February 16, 2012 - 11:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They said Jean's injuries were unforeseeable, but now they're not so sure.
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Jean: HAF?
They: HA mixed? Relevant? Relevant how many? If so, [LTPF list of integers]?
they=they're?
Relevant how serious Jean's injuries are? If so: Mildly irritating (i.e. papercut)? Rather irritating (i.e. more major cut)? Rather painful (i.e. broken finger)? Extremely painful (i.e. broken leg)? Life threatening (i.e. decapitation ;-))? None of the above?
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Are "they" professionals in a field? If so, doctors or other healthcare-related position? Police or other criminal justice-related position?

Is Jean's age relevant? health? profession? family? religion? political views? marital status? favorite color?

Relevant how Jean acquired the injuries? If so, a fall? electrocution? a traffic accident? gunshot wound? stab wound? limb caught in machinery? something fell on Jean? tool-related injury (such as chainsaw, hammer, ice pick, etc.)? trampled by people/animals? Relevant where the injury occurred (home, work, etc.)? General location (such as nation or city) relevant? Type of area (such as "the beach" or "the sewer") relevant? Relevant where on Jean's body the injury is located? Era relevant? Did the injuries happen in the daytime? Relevant?

Did "they" say that Jean could have foreseen the injuries? That someone else could have? Do they suspect that someone hurt Jean on purpose? Accidentally? Through neglect?
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Jean: HAF? yes
They: HA mixed? yes Relevant? not especially Relevant how many? let's say 2 If so, [LTPF list of integers]?
they=they're? yes
Relevant how serious Jean's injuries are? yes If so: Mildly irritating (i.e. papercut)? Rather irritating (i.e. more major cut)? Rather painful (i.e. broken finger)? Extremely painful (i.e. broken leg)? yes Life threatening (i.e. decapitation ;-))? None of the above?

Are "they" professionals in a field? yes If so, doctors or other healthcare-related position? no Police or other criminal justice-related position? this area

Is Jean's age relevant? no, but she is 58 health? profession? family? religion? political views? marital status? favorite color? none of these

Relevant how Jean acquired the injuries? very If so, a fall? electrocution? a traffic accident? gunshot wound? stab wound? limb caught in machinery? something fell on Jean? tool-related injury (such as chainsaw, hammer, ice pick, etc.)? trampled by people/animals? none of these Relevant where the injury occurred (home, work, etc.)? yes, but not these General location (such as nation or city) relevant? no Type of area (such as "the beach" or "the sewer") relevant? yesish Relevant where on Jean's body the injury is located? not really Era relevant? yesish, 2008 Did the injuries happen in the daytime? yes Relevant? no

Did "they" say that Jean could have foreseen the injuries? no That someone else could have? yesish Do they suspect that someone hurt Jean on purpose? Accidentally? Through neglect? this
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Did "they" perhaps hurt Jean through neglect? Someone else?
For whomever may have done the neglecting, did this person/group do something that should not have been done? fail to do something that should have been done?
Did the injuries occur outside? inside? somewhere in between (such as in a tent or a pagoda)?
Was it someplace that Jean went regularly? daily? weekly?
Was Jean with anyone at the time? If so, was anyone else injured? even a possibility of anyone else getting injured?
Was Jean injured because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Was it something about her appearance that led to her injury? Something about her personally? Could she have been injured in the same way 100 years ago? 200? 1000?
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Did "they" perhaps hurt Jean through neglect? no Someone else? yes
For whomever may have done the neglecting, did this person/group do something that should not have been done? yes fail to do something that should have been done? that too
Did the injuries occur outside? this inside? no somewhere in between (such as in a tent or a pagoda)? no
Was it someplace that Jean went regularly? yes daily? could be, not particularly relevant weekly? could be, not particularly relevant
Was Jean with anyone at the time? no If so, was anyone else injured? no even a possibility of anyone else getting injured? it was possible
Was Jean injured because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time? yesish Was it something about her appearance that led to her injury? no Something about her personally? no Could she have been injured in the same way 100 years ago? possibly, but very unlikely 200? 1000? no to the rest
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was it on a road or street? a car park? pavement?

park? beach? countryside? sports stadium? on the roof of a building? privately owned land?

lake? river? sea?
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was it on a road or street? no a car park? no pavement? not like a street, no

park? beach? countryside? sports stadium? on the roof of a building? privately owned land? no to all

lake? river? sea? no to all
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in a forest? wood? on a mountain?
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in a forest? wood? on a mountain? none of these

HINT: Somewhere specific, in town
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In a park? A plaza? A swimming pool? A tennis court?

Was she doing physical excercise?
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In a park? A plaza? A swimming pool? A tennis court? none of these

Was she doing physical excercise? not at all, in fact she was just standing
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was she standing in the main square? on some steps? outside a particular building?

railway station? bus station?
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was she standing in the main square? no on some steps? no outside a particular building? yesish

railway station? yesish bus station? no
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Metro station? Tram station?
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Metro station? Tram station? the train station, yes. but where at the train station?
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on the platform? on the rails?
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on the platform? yes on the rails? no
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did she fall off the platform?

fall over? get hit by a moving object? get crushed by the crowd?
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did she fall off the platform? no

fall over? yes, but FA lurking get hit by a moving object? yes get crushed by the crowd? no
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did the rush of air as a train passed knock ker over?
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did the rush of air as a train passed knock ker over? no
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Did she get hit by some part of the train? Something attached to the train?
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Did she get hit by some part of the train? no Something attached to the train? no
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did she get knocked over by the crowd? a single person?
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did she get knocked over by the crowd? no a single person? This one, but big FA lurking
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The person that knocked her over- HAM? HAF? Gender relevant?
Was Jean conscious at the time she got knocked over?
Had the person purposely knocked her over? Had she purposely allowed it? Did they know each other? Relevant? Had they said anything to one another before the injuries occurred? Was there something about the person that would make one suspect that the injuries had been foreseeable? Something about Jean? Something about their relationship?
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The person that knocked her over- HAM? This one HAF? Gender relevant? Not really
Was Jean conscious at the time she got knocked over? yes
Had the person purposely knocked her over? no Had she purposely allowed it? no Did they know each other? no Relevant? not really Had they said anything to one another before the injuries occurred? no Was there something about the person that would make one suspect that the injuries had been foreseeable? noish Something about Jean? no Something about their relationship? FA
The big FA is lurking and is prepared to pounce
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did she not actually get knocked over?

was she pushed into something? squashed?

did she save herself from falling but injure herself in doing so?

did someone barge into her and hurt one part of her body? stand on her foot?
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did she not actually get knocked over? she was knocked down, yes

was she pushed into something? no squashed? no

did she save herself from falling but injure herself in doing so? no

did someone barge into her and hurt one part of her body? stand on her foot? no to both

HINT: The lurking FA has to do with the person who knocked her over
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RECAP:
Jean is a HAF. They are HA mixed, but its not really relevant. We are saying that there are 2 of they. They=they’re. Jean’s in juries are relevant and were extremely painful on the order of a broken leg, but not life threatening.

They are professionals in a criminal justice-related field.

Jean's age is not relevant but she is 58. Her profession, family, religion, political views, marital status and favorite color are not relevant.

It is very relevant how Jean sustained her injuries. It was not from a fall, electrocution, a traffic accident, gunshot wound, stab wound, limb caught in machinery, tool-related injury (such as chainsaw, hammer, ice pick, etc.), being trampled by people/animals. There was nothing about Jean’s appearance that led to her injury. Nor was there anything about her personally that made her a target. She could very well have been injured the same way 100 years ago, but it is very unlikely. She could not have been injured in this way 200 years ago or more.

It is relevant where the injury occurred but not the nation or city. The injuries were sustained in 2008 during the day and outdoors in a place that Jean went regularly possibly even daily. Jean was alone at the time, although it was possible that someone else could have been injured. One could say that Jean was injured because she was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

BLOOPER: Something DID fall on Jean

"They" did not say that Jean could have foreseen her injuries. Rather they initially thought someone else could have. They suspect someone hurt Jean through neglect. But it was not through “their” neglect, but someone else’s.

Jean was on the platform at a train station. She did not fall off the platform. She did fall over, but a FA is lurking here. She did get hit by a moving object. She was knocked over by a single person, but there is an FA lurking here as well. She was not pushed into anything (except the ground) and was not squashed. She was not crushed by the crowd, nor did a rush of air from a train passing knock her over. She was not hit by some part of the train or something attached to the train. She did not save herself from falling. No one barged into her or stood on her foot.

The person that knocked her over was HAM. But his gender is not particularly relevant. Jean was conscious at the time she got knocked over. The person had NOT purposely knocked her over nor had she purposely allowed it. They did not say anything to each other prior to the injuries occurring. There was nothing really about the person that would make one suspect the injuries were foreseeable. Nor was there anything about Jean that would make one suspect the injuries were foreseeable. Jean and the person who injured her have no relationship.
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Okay, did something fall on Jean, someone saw that it was going to fall on her, and did nothing about it? Therefore hurting Jean by neglect?
Did the person knocking over Jean ever actually touch her?
Or did the person that knocked over Jean knock over something else, that knocked over Jean? And did nothing to stop it?
And the injuries would be foreseeable because the item that knocked over Jean was in a place where it could be easily knocked over?
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Okay, did something fall on Jean yes, someone saw that it was going to fall on her, and did nothing about it? no Therefore hurting Jean by neglect? no, but good thinking
Did the person knocking over Jean ever actually touch her? yes
Or did the person that knocked over Jean knock over something else, that knocked over Jean? no And did nothing to stop it? no
And the injuries would be foreseeable because the item that knocked over Jean was in a place where it could be easily knocked over? no

HINT: Need to find out exactly what knocked Jean over. The pieces are all there. Assemble.
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Okay, was the object bigger than: a kitteh? A breadbox? A backpack? A recliner? A fridge?
Did Jean run into the object? Or did the object run into Jean?
Relevant what the object was made of? If so: Wood? Stone? Plastic? Metal? Glass?
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Okay, was the object bigger than: a kitteh? A breadbox? A backpack? A recliner? A fridge? Somewhere between a backpack and a recliner
Did Jean run into the object? no Or did the object run into Jean? yes
Relevant what the object was made of? yes If so: Wood? Stone? Plastic? Metal? Glass? none of these
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Fabric? Stuffed animals? Paper? Plexiglass? Ummm...*is running out of materials*
Bigger than an adult labrador retriever?
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Fabric? Stuffed animals? Paper? Plexiglass? Ummm...*is running out of materials* none of these...must be time to engage that lateral thinking
Bigger than an adult labrador retriever? yes
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leather?
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Duct tape?
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leather? no, but getting a little warmer

Duct tape? no
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skin? fur? a dead body? a corpse? animal carcasse?
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skin? yes fur? no a dead body? Precisely! a corpse? That too animal carcasse? no
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she was hit by a dead body???

was it still warm? had someone just been hit by a train and the body flew through the air and hit her?

or did a body falling from eg a bridge land on her?

or did an already dead body fall off something? or out of something?
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she was hit by a dead body??? yes

was it still warm? yes had someone just been hit by a train and the body flew through the air and hit her? yes

or did a body falling from eg a bridge land on her? no

or did an already dead body fall off something? no or out of something? no
$p0yler to follow
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SPOILER:
This is a true story and I used the name Jean so I would not have to remember how to spell Gayane.

Gayane Zokhrabov, then 58, was knocked down by the flying corpse of Hiroyuki Joho, 18, during a rainstorm in Chicago in 2008, and in December 2011 filed a lawsuit against Joho's estate for compensation for the various injuries she suffered that day (broken leg, broken wrist, shoulder pain). Joho's corpse was "flying" because he had just been fatally struck by a fast-moving train as he dashed through the storm across several tracks -- while Zokhrabov was waiting on a nearby station platform. A judge initially ruled that Zokhrabov's injuries were not a "foreseeable" result of Joho's crossing the tracks, but in December, a state appeals court reinstated the lawsuit. [Chicago Tribune, 12-29-2011]

Thank you to Shez for continuing to pound away on this one. Well done! Also some good questions from Kyeannpepper.
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holy flying corpses, batman!

thanks for the nice puzzle

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