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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 7:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A single oversight ruined both plans.

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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 7:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Both plans = each of 2 plans? Separate plans? Conceived by separate people?
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Posted on Thursday, May 03, 2012 - 9:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Both plans = each of 2 plans? Separate plans? Conceived by separate people? Yes to all
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Posted on Friday, May 04, 2012 - 9:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the people planning each of 2 plans know each other? Know about each other's plans?
Was there one person planning the first plan and second person planning the second plan? More people planning the first plan? More people planning the second plan?
Was the oversight made by Planner(s) #1? Planner(s) #2? Someone else?
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Posted on Friday, May 04, 2012 - 11:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the plans have completely different objectives? Overlapping objectives? Similar objectives? Identical objectives? Conflicting objectives?

For Plan 1, did the oversight mean that the plan was ruined due to an error in timing? logistics? Did someone find out about the plan and foil it? Did the oversight mean that something which had not been anticipated happened? That something which had been depended upon did not happen? Did the plan have any criminal element?

For Plan 2, did the oversight mean that the plan was ruined due to an error in timing? logistics? Did someone find out about the plan and foil it? Did the oversight mean that something which had not been anticipated happened? That something which had been depended upon did not happen? Did the plan have any criminal element?

Did whoever made the oversight know about either of the plans?
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Posted on Friday, May 04, 2012 - 4:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the people planning each of 2 plans know each other? No Know about each other's plans? No
Was there one person planning the first plan and second person planning the second plan? Assume Yes to both More people planning the first plan? More people planning the second plan?
Was the oversight made by Planner(s) #1? Planner(s) #2? Him (both planners are H-A-M) Someone else?

Did the plans have completely different objectives? Overlapping objectives? Similar objectives? Identical objectives? This Conflicting objectives?

For Plan 1, did the oversight mean that the plan was ruined due to an error in timing? Yes logistics? Yope Did someone find out about the plan and foil it? No Did the oversight mean that something which had not been anticipated happened? Yope That something which had been depended upon did not happen? Yope Did the plan have any criminal element? Yes

For Plan 2, did the oversight mean that the plan was ruined due to an error in timing? logistics? Did someone find out about the plan and foil it? Did the oversight mean that something which had not been anticipated happened? That something which had been depended upon did not happen? Did the plan have any criminal element? Same answers as Plan 1, except No to logistics

Did whoever made the oversight know about either of the plans? Yes, see above
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Did the two plans have several features in common? Were they different ways of achieving the same end?

Were they planned to be put into operation on the same day? At the same time? Did either of the planners actually begin to put the plan into action before being foiled? Or was either of them foiled before the action started?

Were the plans to steal money? Objects? To gain money? Did the plans involve harming someone else?
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Did the two plans have several features in common? DOYD of "features," Yope Were they different ways of achieving the same end? Yes

Were they planned to be put into operation on the same day? Yes At the same time? No Did either of the planners actually begin to put the plan into action before being foiled? Yes Or was either of them foiled before the action started? Yesish

Were the plans to steal money? Objects? To gain money? No to these Did the plans involve harming someone else? Yes
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Did the plans entail killing someone? Kidnapping someone? Assaulting someone? Financially damaging someone? Damaging someone's reputation? Humiliating someone?

Was the day in question a special day? Was something particular happening on that day? Did both of the planners begin to put their plans into action before being foiled?
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Posted on Saturday, May 05, 2012 - 6:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the plans entail killing someone? This Kidnapping someone? Assaulting someone? Financially damaging someone? Damaging someone's reputation? Humiliating someone?

Was the day in question a special day? See next Was something particular happening on that day? Yes Did both of the planners begin to put their plans into action before being foiled? DOYD of "put into action." I'd say Yes to #2 and Yope to #1
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Were the plans to kill a celebrity? A politician? The leader of a country? Were the plans to kill more than one person?

Was there an event going on that the person/people was scheduled to attend?

Was plan #1's method of killing different from plan #2's?

For plan #1: Did the plan depend on the person being in a particular place at a particular time? Was the killing intended to take place in situ? Was the planner waiting for the person to come to the place? Following the person? Was the intended killer the author of the plan?

For plan #2: Did the plan depend on the person being in a particular place at a particular time? Was the killing intended to take place in situ? Was the planner waiting for the person to come to the place? Following the person? Was the intended killer the author of the plan?
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Were the plans to kill a celebrity? No A politician? Yes The leader of a country? Yes Were the plans to kill more than one person? No

Was there an event going on that the person/people was scheduled to attend? Yes

Was plan #1's method of killing different from plan #2's? Yes

For plan #1: Did the plan depend on the person being in a particular place at a particular time? Yes Was the killing intended to take place in situ? What do you mean by "in situ"? Was the planner waiting for the person to come to the place? Yes Following the person? Hmmm? Was the intended killer the author of the plan? Yes

For plan #2: Did the plan depend on the person being in a particular place at a particular time? Was the killing intended to take place in situ? Was the planner waiting for the person to come to the place? Following the person? Was the intended killer the author of the plan? All are same as #1
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Is this a specific world leader? Is it a generic world leader for the purpose of the puzzle? Is it the President of the USA?

By "in situ" I mean was the intention to kill the president while he was at the event, for example while he was making a speech? Or to kill him beforehand? Afterwards? Was the plan to assassinate him in public, so everyone who was present saw? To do it without everyone seeing?
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Posted on Sunday, May 06, 2012 - 4:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a specific world leader? Yes Is it a generic world leader for the purpose of the puzzle? Is it the President of the USA? Yes (but it could work for pretty much any world leader)

By "in situ" I mean was the intention to kill the president while he was at the event, for example while he was making a speech? Yes to #1, Yope to #2 Or to kill him beforehand? No to both Afterwards? No to #1, Yope to #2 Was the plan to assassinate him in public, so everyone who was present saw? Yes to both (although in both cases, the assassin would not have been visible) To do it without everyone seeing?
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Was plan #2 to kill the president as he was leaving the stage/platform/wherever he was? Do we need to find out the exact nature of the event?

Was plan #1 to shoot him? Kill him with some kind of projectile? Kill him with poison? Blow him up? Did it involve waiting until a certain time to do something? Waiting until something happened to do something? If time, waiting until an absolute time? Or waiting until a time after or before something else? Same questions for plan #2.

Was the oversight related to something about the president's habits? superstitions? itinerary? Any kind of medical condition?
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Was plan #2 to kill the president as he was leaving the stage/platform/wherever he was? No Do we need to find out the exact nature of the event? Yes

Was plan #1 to shoot him? Yes Kill him with some kind of projectile? Kill him with poison? Blow him up? #2 was this Did it involve waiting until a certain time to do something? Waiting until something happened to do something? If time, waiting until an absolute time? Or waiting until a time after or before something else? Not sure how to answer these. Figuring out the event will help Same questions for plan #2.

Was the oversight related to something about the president's habits? superstitions? itinerary? Any kind of medical condition? No to all
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Was plan #2 discovered? Was something resulting from plan #2 discovered which led to the president not being available for planner #1 to shoot?

Was plan #1 to shoot the president from afar, with a sniper rifle? Was it ruined because planner #1 was prevented from accessing his planned vantage point? Because the president did not appear where he was meant to? Because something obscured a clear shot? Did planner #1 actually fire on the president?

Was the event one where the public were present? A speech? A conference? A press conference? A state ceremony? A memorial ceremony? Was the president opening something?
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Was plan #2 discovered? No Was something resulting from plan #2 discovered which led to the president not being available for planner #1 to shoot? No

Was plan #1 to shoot the president from afar, with a sniper rifle? Yes Was it ruined because planner #1 was prevented from accessing his planned vantage point? No Because the president did not appear where he was meant to? No Because something obscured a clear shot? No Did planner #1 actually fire on the president? No, good q

Was the event one where the public were present? Yes A speech? Yes, and... A conference? Yes A press conference? A state ceremony? A memorial ceremony? Was the president opening something? Yes (see prev)
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Had planner #1 found a suitable vantage point in advance? Did he go to it on the day in question? Was he prevented from getting there? Was he late? If he was prevented from getting there, was it as a result of the oversight?

Did plan #2 involve planting the bomb in advance? Planting the bomb somewhere on the premises? Detonating it from afar? Was planner #2 a would-be suicide bomber?

Was plan #1 scheduled to take place while the president was speaking? Was plan #2 scheduled to take place before plan #1? Afterwards?
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Had planner #1 found a suitable vantage point in advance? Yes Did he go to it on the day in question? Yes Was he prevented from getting there? No Was he late? No If he was prevented from getting there, was it as a result of the oversight?

Did plan #2 involve planting the bomb in advance? Yes Planting the bomb somewhere on the premises? Yes Detonating it from afar? No Was planner #2 a would-be suicide bomber? No

Was plan #1 scheduled to take place while the president was speaking? Yes Was plan #2 scheduled to take place before plan #1? Afterwards? This
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Was the president supposed to move from the speaking place? Is it relevant what was being opened? If yes: was it a construction (a bridge, a building etc)? was it an event (Olympics, Championships etc.)?
Did the planner #1 know the exact schedule of events on the opening? Did the planner #2 know the exact schedule of events on the opening? Did the schedule of events on the opening changed unexpectedly?
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Did planner #2 plant the bomb in advance? Was the plan that the president should detonate the bomb? One of his entourage? Someone else? Did planner #2 need, according to his plan, to be there on the day in question?

Did planner #1 Did he shoot at someone else? Did he line up the shot? Did he pull the trigger?

Did he not fire on the president because the president was not there to be fired at? Because the president was not in the anticipated position? Because he couldn't get a clear shot? Because someone or something got in the way? Because planner #1 didn't have a gun? Because there was something wrong with his gun? Because he got something in his eye? Because of the weather?
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 7:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the president supposed to move from the speaking place? Yes Is it relevant what was being opened? If yes: was it a construction (a bridge, a building etc)? was it an event (Olympics, Championships etc.)? This, and the event in question has been stated earlier in the puzzle (a conference)
Did the planner #1 know the exact schedule of events on the opening? Did the planner #2 know the exact schedule of events on the opening? Yes to both Did the schedule of events on the opening changed unexpectedly? No

Did planner #2 plant the bomb in advance? Yes Was the plan that the president should detonate the bomb? One of his entourage? Someone else? No to all Did planner #2 need, according to his plan, to be there on the day in question? No -- good q

Did planner #1 shoot at someone else? No Did he line up the shot? No, good q Did he pull the trigger? No

Did he not fire on the president because the president was not there to be fired at? Yesish! Because the president was not in the anticipated position? See prev Because he couldn't get a clear shot? Because someone or something got in the way? Because planner #1 didn't have a gun? Because there was something wrong with his gun? Because he got something in his eye? Because of the weather? No to rest

Does someone want to name these two potential assassins?
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 10:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's call Assassin #1 Allenbee and Assassin #2 Boris.

Did Boris plant the bomb under POTUS's chair? But POTUS didn't sit there? So Allenbee couldn't shoot him?
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Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2012 - 11:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the bomb scheduled to go off at a certain time? Did this happen the day after the clocks went forward?
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Actually, I mean the day after the clocks went back! Did the bomb go off at the designated time, but the president wasn't there yet because of the clock change, so he escaped being blown up, and as a result of the evident assassination attempt was not in position at the scheduled time for Allenbee to shoot? Something like this?
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Did the bomb go off at all?
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Let's call Assassin #1 Allenbee and Assassin #2 Boris. OK

Did Boris plant the bomb under POTUS's chair? But POTUS didn't sit there? So Allenbee couldn't shoot him? No to all

Was the bomb scheduled to go off at a certain time? Yes... Did this happen the day after the clocks went... back? Yes! Did the bomb go off at the designated time, but the president wasn't there yet because of the clock change, so he escaped being blown up, Yes and as a result of the evident assassination attempt was not in position at the scheduled time for Allenbee to shoot? No Something like this? Very close

Did the bomb go off at all? Yes
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Did Allenbee take into account the clock change? Did he see the president at any point while he was in position waiting to shoot him?

Did the conference go ahead as scheduled? Did the president make his speech? Did he take extra security measures?
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Did Allenbee take into account the clock change? Yes Did he see the president at any point while he was in position waiting to shoot him? No

Did the conference go ahead as scheduled? No Did the president make his speech? Did he take extra security measures?
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Did the conference take place at all? Was it moved to a different place? Postponed? Cancelled? Were some of the logistics changed?

Did the president or any of his entourage realise there had been an explosion? Did they think something other than an assassin was responsible for any effect they might have noticed? Gas, for example?

Did the bomb damage something which resulted in the president not being in the position anticipated by Allenbee? Did another consequence of the bomb result in the president not being in the anticipated position?
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Did the conference take place at all? Was it moved to a different place? Postponed? Cancelled? Were some of the logistics changed?

Did the president or any of his entourage realise there had been an explosion? Did they think something other than an assassin was responsible for any effect they might have noticed? Gas, for example?

Did the bomb damage something which resulted in the president not being in the position anticipated by Allenbee? Did another consequence of the bomb result in the president not being in the anticipated position? All irrel, as are any further questions about the conference.

RECAP:

Allenbee and Boris planned to assassinate the US president, who was going to give a speech that would open a conference. Allenbee was a sniper, but never got a chance to fire at the president because of Boris. Boris wanted to blow up the president, but due to Daylight Saving Time ending his bomb went off an hour earlier than expected.

All you need to know: How did the bomb stop Allenbee from taking a shot at the prez?
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Did the bomb kill Allenbee? Was the conference postponed because of the explosion? Was Allenbee's presence discovered by safety services after the explosion?
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Did the bomb kill Allenbee? Yep! Was the conference postponed because of the explosion? Was Allenbee's presence discovered by safety services after the explosion?

**********SPOILER**********

The president was supposed to give a speech, then hold a conference in a nearby hotel. Boris wanted to blow up the hotel and kill the president, so he placed a time bomb in the hotel. Unfortunately, he hadn't taken the end of Daylight Saving Time into account, so the bomb went off an hour early.

Meanwhile, Allenbee was planning to assassinate the president during his speech, so he took a vantage point in a high building with a sniper rifle. Unfortunately, that building was the aforementioned hotel, and he was killed when Boris' bomb exploded.

Nice work Jane and Redwine. New puzzle probably after my final today.
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Posted on Friday, May 11, 2012 - 3:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nice puzzle. Hope the final goes well

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