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Yes, this is my first LP for a LONG time (years? let me check ... well, my last solved puzzle was in April 2011, and I've had an adventure in Limbo for a while that I recently threw out the plans for, so that one's unfortunately dead). But hopefully this isn't the only puzzle I'll come up with now ... we'll see. I left partly due to a busy schedule and partly due to a lack of inspiration. Inspiration should be fine, but my schedule gets twice as busy starting ... tomorrow, so we'll see how that goes. Right. The puzzle.

When he heard news that a stranger carrying a gun had entered the building and kidnapped a girl, he was happy, even though he knew he was in danger, and he had never met the person.

And yes, this is a sequel of sorts to my previous puzzle ... search in December 2010 for that one.
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All 'he's the same? HAM?
'a girl': HAF?
'a stranger': HAM?

Does 'he' know the girl? Is 'he' related to her?
Does the girl know him? The stranger? Is she related to him? The stranger?
Does the stranger know the girl? Is the stranger related to the girl?
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All 'he's the same? yes HAM? H and M, not A
'a girl': HAF? H and F, not A
'a stranger': HAM? H and M, A is irrel

Does 'he' know the girl? yes Is 'he' related to her? no
Does the girl know him? yes The stranger? no Is she related to him? take a guess ... no The stranger? no
Does the stranger know the girl? no Is the stranger related to the girl? I still don't get why you aren't taking being related as a symmetric relation, but whatever ... no :P
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Welcome back Whirligig!

I remember the original puzzle, so let's see:


Romantic relationships relevant? Parental? Any other persons involved?
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Romantic relationships relevant? ... yesish Parental? no Any other persons involved? no
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Is "he" a teenager? older than 10? older than 5?
Same questions for her.
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Is "he" a teenager? this older than 10? older than 5?
Same questions for her. ditto
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Does the teenage boy like the teenage girl? Does she like him?
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Does the teenage boy like the teenage girl? yes Does she like him? noish
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Does he hope to gain her attention/ affection somehow?
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Does he hope to gain her attention/ affection somehow? yes
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Is he going to try to rescue her and gain her affection that way?
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Is he going to try to rescue her and gain her affection that way? ... seriously? you're fast

However, I'm not quite yet ready to $poil—why does he think that will work? Why would he try this in particular?
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Does he know something about the criminal's plot? Is he using a real gun? Did he hire the criminal to kidnap her?
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Does he know something about the criminal's plot? Is he using a real gun? Did he hire the criminal to kidnap her? no to all, OTWT entirely
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Has he been captured as well? Or perhaps it's his job, as in a security worker?
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Has he been captured as well? Or perhaps it's his job, as in a security worker? no to both, still OTWT
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Since you seem to have misinterpreted what I said: "why does he think that that will work" refers to the affection side of the plan, not the actual rescue.
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Did he, in his plan, rely upon something the girl said? Upon something she did? Did he assume the girl had made up the kidnaoping situation to check him?
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Did he, in his plan, rely upon something the girl said? Upon something she did? Did he assume the girl had made up the kidnaoping [sic] situation to check him? no to all, OTWT again ... try asking about the boy?
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Was the boy in good condition? Was the boy impaired? Are his hobby relevant? His family status? His living conditions?
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Was the boy in good condition? yes Was the boy impaired? Are his hobby relevant? yes, no to rest His family status? His living conditions?
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Did the situation enable him to show his hobby to the girl and impress her that way? Was his hobby helpful with a rescue part of the plan? Is his hobby an indoor activity? Outdoor activity? A sport?
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Did the situation enable him to show his hobby to the girl and impress her that way? no Was his hobby helpful with a rescue part of the plan? no Is his hobby an indoor activity? mostly this Outdoor activity? A sport?
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was his hobby anything to do with second sight? spying on people?
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was his hobby anything to do with second sight? spying on people? neither
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Does he need any equipment to do his hobby?
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Does he need any equipment to do his hobby? yes
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Was he in the building because of his hobby? Is the building relevant?
Is it a nerdy hobby?
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Was he in the building because of his hobby? no Is the building relevant? not to this part
Is it a nerdy hobby? yes
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Is the equipment a computer? Is any part of this happening in the virtual world?
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Is the equipment a computer? possibly but not usually Is any part of this happening in the virtual world? only for svv of "virtual"
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Nerdy hobby? And needing some equipment. Hmm...

Collecting coins/stamps/insects or similar (and using a magnifying glass)? Acting "The Little Chemist" concocting something to outwit or scare the kidnapper? Building and/or operating model planes, helicopters or similar?
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Collecting coins/stamps/insects or similar (and using a magnifying glass)? no Acting "The Little Chemist" concocting something to outwit or scare the kidnapper? no Building and/or operating model planes, helicopters or similar? no

You're a bit OTWT.
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photography? computing? amateur radio?
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photography? computing? amateur radio? none of these; maybe "hobby" is the wrong word
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sleuthing? ESP? indoor speleology? climbing?

ventriloquism?
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sleuthing? ESP? indoor speleology? climbing?

ventriloquism? none of these, it's much more intuitive
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Does he play first-person shooters?
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Does he play first-person shooters? no ... getting maybe just a bit misleadingly closer
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Misleadingly closer... because of the shooting aspect? the video game aspect?
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Misleadingly closer... because of the shooting aspect? noish the video game aspect? yesish
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Is the genre relavent? RPG, Real-time or turn-based strategy, adventure, puzzle, simulation, sport, skill?

Console: computer, xbox, playstation, wii, other?
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That's the mislead; it's not necessarily video game–related. Any related video games would probably be RPGs or action-adventure.
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Oh haha, yeah I interpreted your previous answer reverse of what it meant!

Okay, so it's a hobby that has to do with shooting? Or just general combat?

Does his hobby involve others? Or would he do it alone?
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Okay, so it's a hobby that has to do with shooting? Or just general combat? again, you're misled. What I meant is that it's not shooting-related, may be video game–related, but that's misleading.

Does his hobby involve others? possibly Or would he do it alone? possibly
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Fantasy related? Some sort of role-playing?
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Fantasy related? YES Some sort of role-playing? possibly

This is basically all you need from his hobby—he's into fantasy books, movies, video games, etc.
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Since he's into fantasy, has he studied a lot of fighting techniques? With certain weapons? Has he taught himself fighting from his fantasy media? And he plans to use that to rescue the kidnap victim & win her affection?
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Since he's into fantasy, has he studied a lot of fighting techniques? With certain weapons? Has he taught himself fighting from his fantasy media? all irrel And he plans to use that to rescue the kidnap victim clarification: the hobby is not relevant to this part ... & win her affection? ... but rather this part
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Does his obsession with fantasy lead him to believe 'good always triumphs'? or, more relevantly to winning her affection, 'the hero gets the girl'? or some other common element of fantasy that doesn't generally apply to real life?
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Does his obsession with fantasy lead him to believe 'good always triumphs'? or, more relevantly to winning her affection, 'the hero gets the girl'? this one! or some other common element of fantasy that doesn't generally apply to real life?

I think that's enough for a

**********SPOILER**********

Our young man is a high school student is currently enamored of one of his female classmates. Then, an armed man enters the building and kidnaps her for irrelevant reasons. So our hero, being himself an avid fantasy fan, decides to be brave and test the applicability of a law commonly observed in fiction, fantasy especially: rescuing someone is likely to make her (or him, in the case of a female protagonist) fall in love with you. (See this tvtropes link, but beware addiction: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RescueRomance)

Well, that puzzle lasted a good five months, but a new one is going up right away, so stay tuned! Oh, and don't forget about "Let it be?"—anyone with knowledge of classical music might be able to help out there.
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Whoops, that should be "is a high school student WHO is" ... sorry about that.
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I'm already hooked on TvTropes; another page won't hurt...

Fun puzzle. Wish we'd gotten there sooner.

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