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Meredith's death made Julie very lonely, even though Julie had always disliked Meredith and did not miss Meredith after Meredith's death. How come?
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Meredith: H? A? F?
Julie: H? A? F?
Anyone else relevant? H? A? M/F?
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Meredith: H? A? F? Yes to all, but only the human part is relevant.
Julie: H? A? F? ditto
Anyone else relevant? H? A? M/F?Many other adults of both sexes are relevant
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Were Meredith and Julie related? Did they live together before Meredith died?

Before Meredith died, did Julie see some or all of the other adults of both sexes? If so, did she stop seeing them after Meredith's death? Did she see them in person? On the TV? Did she read about them?
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Were Meredith and Julie related? no Did they live together before Meredith died? no

Before Meredith died, did Julie see some or all of the other adults of both sexes? yes If so, did she stop seeing them after Meredith's death? noDid she see them in person? yes On the TV? no Did she read about them? maybe in a few cases
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Is it relevant how Meredith died? Did people stop liking Judith after the death? Stop spending time with her? Did she choose to withdraw? Did she move house? Did anything about her personal status change because of the death (eg job, marital status etc)?

Did Meredith and Julie know each other personally? Is it relevant why Julie disliked Meredith? Is it relevant that she disliked her at all?
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Is it relevant how Meredith died? no Did people stop liking Judith after the death?\b[ no} Stop spending time with her? no Did she choose to withdraw? no Did she move house? no Did anything about her personal status change because of the death (eg job, marital status etc)? no

Did Meredith and Julie know each other personally? yes Is it relevant why Julie disliked Meredith? yesIs it relevant that she disliked her at all? yes
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Did Julie dislike Meredith because Meredith had stolen her husband? Boyfriend? Some romantic issue? Professional? Did she dislike Meredith because Meredith had done something to offend her? hurt her? cause her inconvenience? embarrassment? financial loss?

Were all the other people friends of Meredith's? Of Julie's? Did any of them dislike Meredith?

Was Meredith the only relevant person who died?
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Did Meredith's death set off a chain reaction that led to Julie being lonely? Or was Julie's loneliness a direct emotional reaction to Meredith's death?

Did the other people dislike Julie?
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Did Julie dislike Meredith because Meredith had stolen her husband?no Boyfriend? noSome romantic issue? noProfessional? yes Did she dislike Meredith because Meredith had done something to offend her? yeshurt her? see previous answer cause her inconvenience? noembarrassment? no financial loss? no

Were all the other people friends of Meredith's? no Of Julie's? no Did any of them dislike Meredith? possibly but probably not a great deal

Was Meredith the only relevant person who died? yes
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Did Meredith's death set off a chain reaction that led to Julie being lonely? yesish Or was Julie's loneliness a direct emotional reaction to Meredith's death? no

Did the other people dislike Julie? some may have
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Was Julie lonely in general after Meredith's death? Or just at specific times? In specific situations? Was she lonely at work after Meredith's death?

Before her death, was Meredith Julie's boss? Subordinate? Colleague? Did they work for the same company? Was either of them self-employed? Did they share an office?
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Was Julie lonely in general after Meredith's death? no Or just at specific times? see next answer yesIn specific situations? Was she lonely at work after Meredith's death? noish\

Before her death, was Meredith Julie's boss? noSubordinate? no Colleague? yesish or yopeDid they work for the same company? yopeWas either of them self-employed? no Did they share an office? no
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Did they work for the same employer, which was not a company? Was it a school? A college/university? A place of worship? An organization? The government?

Did Julie dislike the other people? Were the other people also colleagues-ish of Meredith? Julie?

Did Meredith and Julie have something in common that none of the other people had?

If Meredith had moved away and not seen Julie again, would Julie have still been lonely?

Did Julie dislike Meredith because of her personality?
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Did they work for the same employerno, which was not a company? see next answer Was it a school? they were graduate students in the same department A college/university? see previous answerA place of worship? see previous answer An organization? see previous answer The government? see previous answer

Did Julie dislike the other people? irrel Were the other people also colleagues-ish of Meredith? Julie?

Did Meredith and Julie have something in common that none of the other people had? yope

If Meredith had moved away and not seen Julie again, would Julie have still been lonely? no

Did Julie dislike Meredith because of her personality? partly but not entirely
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Was Julie's new-found loneliness a temporary state? Did Meredith die suddenly? Was Julie lonely because there was no one in Meredith's position? If Meredith had moved away and not died, would Julie not have been lonely because someone would have taken Meredith's place?

Was Julie lonely in specific situations at work? Or all the time? Did Julie have to do something on her own after Meredith's death that they had previously done together?
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Was Julie at all sad because of Meredith's death? Were the other people sad because she died? Were the other people graduate students in the same department?

Is it relevant what department it is? Are the other people also graduate students? In the same department?

Is anyone's race relevant? gender? nationality? age? religion? ethnic background? political views? language? sexual orientation? hobby/interest? Is the location relevant? The time period?

Was Meredith annoying? Stupid? Did Julie want her to die? Did Meredith have a hobby or interest that Julie did not like? That Julie shared? Did they argue often?

Did Meredith dislike Julie? Did she know that Julie disliked her? Would she have foreseen that Julie would feel lonely in the event of her death?

If Julie had died, would Meredith have felt lonely?
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Was Julie's new-found loneliness a temporary state? no Did Meredith die suddenly? yes but irrel Was Julie lonely because there was no one in Meredith's position? noIf Meredith had moved away and not died, would Julie not have been lonely because someone would have taken Meredith's place? no

Was Julie lonely in specific situations at work? yopeOr all the time?yope Did Julie have to do something on her own after Meredith's death that they had previously done together? no
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Was Julie at all sad because of Meredith's death? no(except for the lonliness) Were the other people sad because she died? yes Were the other people graduate students in the same department? many were

Is it relevant what department it is? no Are the other people also graduate students? some areIn the same department? ditto

Is anyone's race relevant? gender? nationality? age? religion? ethnic background? political views? language? sexual orientation? hobby/interest? Is the location relevant? The time period?all these are irrel

Was Meredith annoying? yesish Stupid? no Did Julie want her to die? yes Did Meredith have a hobby noor interest yope that Julie did not like? That Julie shared? no, & yes Did they argue often?possibly but not necessarily

Did Meredith dislike Julie? no Did she know that Julie disliked her? irrel Would she have foreseen that Julie would feel lonely in the event of her death? no

If Julie had died, would Meredith have felt lonely? no
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Are some of the people professors in the department? In other departments?

Was whatever Meredith did to offend Julie a one-off thing? Was it something that she used to do regularly?

Did Meredith take credit for Julie's work? Further her own interests at Julie's expense? Did she do something to offend Julie? Say something?
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Did this yope-interest have to do with the education? Is it relevant what the interest is? Is it the department they're both in?

If someone else in the department died, would Julie feel lonely?
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Did Meredith do a certain thing, or fill a certain role, that was then not done after she died?

Was Julie lonely because she spent less time with other people? Because her relationship with the other people changed? Because her feelings towards them changed? Was her loneliness in any way self-imposed? Did she feel isolated in the sense that she was the only one with a particular belief, or who felt a certain way, or who had a certain interest?
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Are some of the people professors in the department? yesIn other departments? unlikely

Was whatever Meredith did to offend Julie a one-off thing? see next answerWas it something that she used to do regularly?somewhere between the two but closer to the latter

Did Meredith take credit for Julie's work? noFurther her own interests at Julie's expense? yopeDid she do something to offend Julie? yesSay something? yes
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Did this yope-interest have to do with the education? yesIs it relevant what the interest is? see next answerIs it the department they're both in? yesish

If someone else in the department died, would Julie feel lonely?that depends
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Did Meredith do a certain thing, or fill a certain role, that was then not done after she died? no

Was Julie lonely because she spent less time with other people? noBecause her relationship with the other people changed?{yope} Because her feelings towards them changed? yope Did she feel isolated in the sense? yes
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So they are interested in what they are studying, but it doesn't matter what that subject is?
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So they are interested in what they are studying, but it doesn't matter what that subject is? yes
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Did Meredith badmouth Julie? Take credit for her work? Blame her for something(s)? Make her do work that Meredith didn't want to do? Did she tell lies about Julie? Did she gossip about her?

Did Julie's relationship with just some of the other people change? Did any relationships end as a result of Meredith's death? Did any form?

Did Meredith kill herself?
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Was she the only person who didn't feel sad about Meredith's death? The only person left who was interested in a particular aspect of their field? Did Julie and Meredith share some characteristic, so now Julie is alone in having that characteristic? Had the two been working together on a project?

Did the other people know that Julie had disliked Meredith? Did they know that she wasn't sad about her death? Were they shocked by this? Did they consider it to reflect badly on Julie?
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Did Meredith badmouth Julie?possibly but not necessarily Take credit for her work? noBlame her for something(s)? yesish Did she tell lies about Julie? no Did she gossip about her? probably not

Did Julie's relationship with just some of the other people change? yes Did any relationships end as a result of Meredith's death? no (except with Meredith. of course)Did any form? no
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Was she the only person who didn't feel sad about Meredith's death? yes The only person left who was interested in a particular aspect of their field? no Did Julie and Meredith share some characteristic, so now Julie is alone in having that characteristic? noHad the two been working together on a project? no

Did the other people know that Julie had disliked Meredith? possiblyDid they know that she wasn't sad about her death? no -- GOOOOOOOD QUESTION!!! THINK ABOUT IT!! You're very ORT (on the right track) Were they shocked by this?n/a Did they consider it to reflect badly on Julie? n/a
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It looks like you've answered this, but the question isn't showing in your answer above, so just to check: did Meredith kill herself?

Did all the other people know that Julie wasn't sad about Meredith's death? Just some of them?

Did the people who knew Julie wasn't sad know why she wasn't sad? Did they assume she wasn't sad because they knew what Meredith had been doing/saying? Had they in some way colluded in it? Tried to stop it? Had they believed that Julie was to blame for whatever Meredith yesishly blamed her for? Had they punished Julie in some way?

Did they isolate her because they disapproved of the fact that she wasn't sad? Because they felt guilty?
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Did Julie not want the other people to find out that she wasn't sad? Did this mean that she had to stay quiet whenever Meredith was discussed? Did she feel mentally lonely because everyone else was sharing an emotional experience that she did not?
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It looks like you've answered this, but the question isn't showing in your answer above, so just to check: did Meredith kill herself? no--& you're right that I did answer it

Did all the other people know that Julie wasn't sad about Meredith's death? no Just some of them? no

Did the people who knew Julie wasn't sad know why she wasn't sad? n/aDid they assume she wasn't sad because they knew what Meredith had been doing/saying? n/a Had they in some way colluded in it? no Tried to stop it? noHad they believed that Julie was to blame for whatever Meredith yesishly blamed her for? Some did & some did notHad they punished Julie in some way? no

Did they isolate her because they disapproved of the fact that she wasn't sad? no Because they felt guilty? no (
Did Julie not want the other people to find out that she wasn't sad? yesDid this mean that she had to stay quiet whenever Meredith was discussed? yes-- or lie Did she feel mentally lonely because everyone else was sharing an emotional experience that she did not? see previous answers

************ SPOILER *****************
Julie & Meredith, who are characters in my first published short story, were grad students in the same department. Meredith was successful & got a teaching job at the same school (Stanford). Julie was unable to get a teaching job & ended up working in a bakery (which gave me a change to describe delicious things!) Julie resented Meredith for being successful & for saying stupid things to Julie, like that Julie was too concerned with success. When Meredith drowned in a canoeing accident, Julie was UNEQUIVOCALLY THRILLED. But she couldn't tell anyone, which made her lonely. By the way, there are two sequels to the story. Julie meets another unsuccessful academic who is just as bitter & resentful as she is. She tells him she's thrilled about Meredith, he thinks that's altogether fitting & proper & this well-matched couple marries & lives happily ever after, at least with respect to their marriage. They never get over their professional disapointments, & why should they? Here's what you should do: check out my new puzzle!!

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