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Posted on Saturday, June 09, 2012 - 4:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

After changing his clothes, he was careful to forget his razor.
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All "he"s/"his"es the same? H/A/M?

Was it an electric razor? Straight razor? Safety razor?

Did he commit a crime?

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All "he"s/"his"es the same? Yes. H/A/M? Yes to all.

Was it an electric razor? Straight razor? Safety razor? Irr.

Did he commit a crime? Yes.

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Hm, actually the third "his" could be answered "Irr."
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Actually OOPS assume the razor is NOT his. Gah.
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did he have a beard? moustache?

did he usually have a beard? moustache?

did he leave the razor behind as a false clue?
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did he have a beard? moustache?

did he usually have a beard? moustache?

did he leave the razor behind as a false clue? No to all.
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So the razor is not his... relevant who the razor belonged to? belongs? was it used in the commission of the crime? taken as part of the crime? is the crime handling stolen property (to wit one razor)

was the razor her razor?

changed clothes... because of the crime? because they were dirty? bloodstained? for social reasons? for sport? is he an actor/performer of some kind. Is he flying or passing through some kind of security?
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Another OOPS (I hate not being able to edit):
did he usually have a beard? moustache? Irr.

So the razor is not his... relevant who the razor belonged to? belongs? No to both. was it used in the commission of the crime? Yes. taken as part of the crime? No. is the crime handling stolen property (to wit one razor) No.

was the razor her razor? Originally, perhaps.

changed clothes... because of the crime? Yes. because they were dirty? bloodstained? No. for social reasons? Ish. for sport? No. is he an actor/performer of some kind. Not deliberately. Is he flying or passing through some kind of security? No.
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Did he shave with the razor? Did anyone?
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Did he shave with the razor? Did anyone? Yes to both.
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Fleet Street relevant?
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Fleet Street relevant? No.
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had he borrowed someone's razor?

did he change at the scene of the crime? afterwards?
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had he borrowed someone's razor? Hm... you could say so. You could also say it was his now, which accounts for the oops.

did he change at the scene of the crime? Yes. afterwards?
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Did he shave his beard after committing the crime? Or did he have a beard and leave the razor so the police would look for a clean-shaven man?
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Did he shave his beard after committing the crime? Irr. Or did he have a beard and leave the razor so the police would look for a clean-shaven man? No.
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Did he use a razor to shave his head? Arms? Legs? Something else? Did he use it to remove hair from his own body? Or to remove hair from someone else? Something else?
Did he commit a crime in a place where other people were present? And changed clothes so that he would blend in with the others? Or so as to look like someone else who was present?
Did he commit a crime at a house? Hotel? School? Hospital? Church? Business place? Outdoors? Indoors?
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Did he use a razor to shave his head? This. Arms? Possibly. Legs? Possibly. Something else? No. Did he use it to remove hair from his own body? Yes. Or to remove hair from someone else? Something else? No to both.
Did he commit a crime in a place where other people were present? Yes. And changed clothes so that he would blend in with the others? Or so as to look like someone else who was present? No to both.
Did he commit a crime at a house? Hotel? This. School? Hospital? Church? Business place? Outdoors? And this. Indoors?
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Did he change clothes prior to committing the crime? During? After?
Did he shave his head prior to committing the crime? During? After?
Is it relevant to know what he was wearing before he changed his clothes? After?
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Did he change clothes prior to committing the crime? During? After? This.
Did he shave his head prior to committing the crime? During? After? During/after (hard to define)
Is it relevant to know what he was wearing before he changed his clothes? After? Yes to both.
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Did the crime involve theft? Murder? Assault? Something else?
Did anyone witness the crime?
Was he wearing "street clothes" before or after the crime? A uniform of some kind? Camoflage? A costume?
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did he change into a monk's habit?
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Did the crime involve theft? This. Murder? Assault? Something else?
Did anyone witness the crime? No.
Was he wearing "street clothes" before or after the crime? Both. A uniform of some kind? No. Camoflage? No. A costume? Thisish.
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Did he wear a wig at any point during or after the crime? Glasses?
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Did he wear a wig at any point during or after the crime? Yes. Glasses? No.
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Ok, was he wearing a wig when he committed the crime? Did he wear it only afterwards?
Did he directly rob a person, such as a pickpocket would do? Or did he take someone's belongings which were in another location?
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Ok, was he wearing a wig when he committed the crime? Yes. Did he wear it only afterwards? No.
Did he directly rob a person, such as a pickpocket would do? Yes. Or did he take someone's belongings which were in another location? No.
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Did the victim know immediately that he/she had been robbed? Or did they discover it at a later time?
Did the thief rob more than one person?
Did the thief take money? Jewelry? A wallet/wallets? Something else?
Was the thief caught?
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Did the victim know immediately that he/she had been robbed? No. Or did they discover it at a later time? Yes.
Did the thief rob more than one person? No.
Did the thief take money? Yes. Jewelry? A wallet/wallets? Something else? And this.
Was the thief caught? Irr.
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OOPS: Did he shave his head prior to committing the crime? This. During? After?
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I have heard of people who completely shave their bodies so that when they commit a crime they don't leave behind any bodily hair as evidence, but this seems a bit much for simple theft - is this part of the process the thief used?

Did he shave his head so that he could wear a wig?
Or was the shaving part of some kind of process, like a gang initiation?

The theft took place outdoors at a hotel...was some kind of organized event going on? Was the victim of theft a guest staying at the hotel?
Is the kind of area where the theft took place relevant? Like was it near the pool? In the parking lot?

Did the thief come to the hotel with the intent of robbing a certain person? Or a certain type of person? Did he rob someone that he knew? If not personally, knew by reputation? Was the victim of theft a famous person? A celebrity? A wealthy person?

Was the victim a man? Woman? Child?
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You have a couple FAs here...

I have heard of people who completely shave their bodies so that when they commit a crime they don't leave behind any bodily hair as evidence, but this seems a bit much for simple theft - is this part of the process the thief used? No.

Did he shave his head so that he could wear a wig? FA.
Or was the shaving part of some kind of process, You could say so. like a gang initiation? But not this.

The theft took place outdoors at a hotel FA...was some kind of organized event going on? No. Was the victim of theft a guest staying at the hotel? Yes.
Is the kind of area where the theft took place relevant? Yes. Like was it near the pool? In the parking lot? Neither.

Did the thief come to the hotel with the intent of robbing a certain person? Yes. Or a certain type of person? Did he rob someone that he knew? For certain values of "knew." If not personally, knew by reputation? No. Was the victim of theft a famous person? No. A celebrity? No. A wealthy person? Comparatively so.

Was the victim a man? This. Woman? Child?
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did he shave his head to reveal something? did he have a combination tattooed there?

did the theft take place indoors? in a function room? a bedroom or suite? the lobby? the lifts? the stairs?

did he rob a bald man?
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did he shave his head to reveal something? did he have a combination tattooed there? No to both.

did the theft take place indoors? Yes. in a function room? a bedroom or suite? Here. the lobby? the lifts? the stairs?

did he rob a bald man? No.
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Hint: This was not the first time this had happened.
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Did he shave his head every day?
On certain days when he wanted to do something specific?
On occasions when he wanted to commit theft?
Had he been to this hotel before? Had he been to other hotels with the intent to steal something?
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Did he shave his head every day?
On certain days when he wanted to do something specific?
On occasions when he wanted to commit theft?
Had he been to this hotel before? Had he been to other hotels with the intent to steal something?

No to all. False assumption.
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Ah, the old FA's...

Had another person committed theft at this location before?
Had the man ever shaved his head prior to this time?
If he hadn't intended to commit a crime would he have shaved his head anyway?
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Ah, the old FA's...

Had another person committed theft at this location before? Assume yes.
Had the man ever shaved his head prior to this time? Irr.
If he hadn't intended to commit a crime would he have shaved his head anyway? Yes.

Hint: The FA is about what parts of his head he was shaving.
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did he shave his face? his chin? upper lip?
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did he shave his face? his chin? upper lip?
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did he shave his face? Yes. his chin? upper lip? Could be either or both.
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did he steal something from the room then shave his facial hair to disguise himself on the way out, but leave the razor so that no-one would suspect a clean shaven man of being the thief?
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did he steal something from the room then shave his facial hair to disguise himself on the way out, but leave the razor so that no-one would suspect a clean shaven man of being the thief? No.
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Does the thief work at the hotel?
Is he a guest there?
Is he a manager/owner/supervisor there?
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Does the thief work at the hotel?
Is he a guest there? This, no to the others.
Is he a manager/owner/supervisor there?
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Is the thief in his own room while committing his crime? In his victim's room? Another room?

Does he leave his razor because he wants investigators to find it? And come to a wrong conclusion? Or does he want the victim to find it/see it? Hotel staff?
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Is the thief in his own room while committing his crime? In his victim's room? This. Another room?

Does he leave his razor because he wants investigators to find it? And come to a wrong conclusion? Or does he want the victim to find it/see it? This. Hotel staff?
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Does the thief take any pictures while committing the crime? Before? After?
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Does the thief take any pictures while committing the crime? Before? After? No to all.
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Ok, I'm reviewing all previous q's, it seems as if there's something obvious that isn't being explored...

So the razor was used in the commission of the crime...to gain access to something? To cut something? To remove something?
Was is a straight razor? Electric razor?
Was the razor an intentional implement used to commit the crime? In other words, did the thief know when planning the crime that he would need to use a razor? Or was it something that he noticed during the crime or when he reached the location where he would commit the crime?

So both the thief and the victim were guests at the hotel...were they both staying in the same room? Different rooms?
When the thief booked at hotel at the room, did he know that the victim was also booking a room there?
Did the thief know the victim?

When the thief entered the room where the robbery was committed, was the victim asleep? Lying down? Standing? Sitting? In the shower? On the balcony? Alive? Dead?

Did the thief use the razor to cut a part of the victim's clothing? Part of his suitcase?

During the crime, does the victim ever see the thief? Does the victim see him before the crime? After?

After committing the crime, does the thief return to his own room? Does he exit the hotel? Does he go to another part of the hotel?

When he entered the room to commit the crime, did the thief plan on changing clothes? Or did something happen which suddenly made this action necessary?

Did the thief act alone? Or was there an accomplice? Did someone tell the thief that the victim had something valuable? Or did the thief discover this some other way?
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Ok, I'm reviewing all previous q's, it seems as if there's something obvious that isn't being explored...

Here's the most obvious thing: The razor was used by the thief to shave his own face.

So the razor was used in the commission of the crime... Yesish. to gain access to something? To cut something? To remove something? The latter two.
Was is a straight razor? Electric razor? Irr.
Was the razor an intentional implement used to commit the crime? In other words, did the thief know when planning the crime that he would need to use a razor? He already had used the razor before planning the crime. Or was it something that he noticed during the crime or when he reached the location where he would commit the crime?

So both the thief and the victim were guests at the hotel...were they both staying in the same room? Yes. Different rooms?
When the thief booked at hotel at the room, did he know that the victim was also booking a room there? Yes.
Did the thief know the victim? Well enough for his purposes.

When the thief entered the room where the robbery was committed, was the victim asleep? Lying down? Standing? Sitting? In the shower? On the balcony? They entered together. Alive? This. Dead?

Did the thief use the razor to cut a part of the victim's clothing? Part of his suitcase? No.

During the crime, does the victim ever see the thief? Yes. Does the victim see him before the crime? Yes. After? No.

After committing the crime, does the thief return to his own room? Does he exit the hotel? This. Does he go to another part of the hotel?

When he entered the room to commit the crime, did the thief plan on changing clothes? Yes. Or did something happen which suddenly made this action necessary? Yes, though it wasn't exactly sudden.

Did the thief act alone? Yes. Or was there an accomplice? No, with a VERY slight ish. Did someone tell the thief that the victim had something valuable? Or did the thief discover this some other way? Irrelevant; though it was probably pretty obvious.
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Maybe this hasn't been covered yet - did the thief kill the victim? Knock him out? Give him some kind of drug? Somehow subdue him?

How much time passed from when the thief used the razor until the crime was committed...a few minutes? Hours? More?
Or is this backwards, did the thief commit the crime and THEN use the razor?

Possible element - did the thief steal one of the victim's organs, like a kidney? And used the razor to extract it? Then left the razor behind so the victim would know what happen?

Did the thief have to change clothes because he got blood on the clothes that he was wearing when he committed the crime?
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Was the razor simply used to cut/remove a beard? if so: The thief's beard? The victim's beard?

Did the thief commit his crime in a stealthy way, so the victim simply wouldn't notice (in time)?

The thief took money and something else: Was he mainly interested in the money? In the "something else"? Or were both kinds of loot more or less equally important to him? Was the "something else" something which is valuable for everyone (if only because there is a market where everyone can sell it for good money)? Or something which is only of interest for a limited group of people?
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Maybe this hasn't been covered yet - did the thief kill the victim? Knock him out? Give him some kind of drug? Somehow subdue him? No to all.

How much time passed from when the thief used the razor until the crime was committed...a few minutes? Hours? Minutes to hours. More?
Or is this backwards, did the thief commit the crime and THEN use the razor? No.

Possible element - did the thief steal one of the victim's organs, like a kidney? And used the razor to extract it? Then left the razor behind so the victim would know what happen? No to all.

Did the thief have to change clothes because he got blood on the clothes that he was wearing when he committed the crime? No.

Was the razor simply used to cut/remove a beard? Yes. if so: The thief's beard? The victim's beard? Both.

Did the thief commit his crime in a stealthy way, so the victim simply wouldn't notice (in time)? Yes.

The thief took money and something else: Was he mainly interested in the money? In the "something else"? This. Or were both kinds of loot more or less equally important to him? Was the "something else" something which is valuable for everyone (if only because there is a market where everyone can sell it for good money)? Or something which is only of interest for a limited group of people? Everyone needs it, but not necessarily for its value.
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Did the thief shave his own beard so that if the victim reported being robbed by a "bearded man" he wouldn't fit that description?

Did the thief steal a credit card? Drivers license? Social security card? The other guys wallet? Something in the wallet? Something in the victims pocket?
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Did the thief shave his own beard so that if the victim reported being robbed by a "bearded man" he wouldn't fit that description? No.

Did the thief steal a credit card? Drivers license? Social security card? The other guys wallet? Something in the wallet? Something in the victims pocket? Assume this, also something else.
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Did the thief steal a credit card? Drivers license? Social security card? The other guys wallet? Something in the wallet? Something in the victims pocket? Or did you mean, what was stolen besides money? None of these.
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Did the thief take car keys? Another kind of key? Medicine? A flash drive?
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Did the thief take car keys? Another kind of key? Medicine? A flash drive? None of these.
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Did "Rob" (the robber) take something directly off of "Vic" (the victim) without him being aware of it?
Like removed something from his pocket? Took a part of his clothing? Eyeglasses? Phone?
Did Vic willingly give something to Rob, thinking Rob simply wanted to borrow it?
Had Vic and Rob met before they got to the hotel?
Were they co-workers? Were they related?
Was Vic carrying the item with him?
Or was it in the hotel room?

Was the chain of events like this: Rob and Vic go into hotel room, Rob steals something from Vic, Rob changes clothes, Rob exits the room

Or: Rob and Vic go into hotel room, Rob changes clothes, Rob steals something from Vic, Rob exits the room

Or is it another way? Is any relevant event missing from that list?

Did Vic not immediately notice that the item was gone because it is a small item? Because it's not something that he uses very often? Because he thought it was somewhere safe? Because he didn't think anyone would want to take it?

How big/small is the item? The size of a key? The size of a coin? The size of a credit card? The size of a baseball?

Is anyone else relevant to this story besides Rob and Vic?
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Did Rob shave himself? Did he shave Vic? Or did Vic shave himself? Vic shave Rob? Is anybody else involved in the shaving? Maybe the barber who shaves everybody who doesn't shave himself?

Did Rob steal Vic's beard?

Was Vic asleep at any point in time while Rob was in Vic's room?

Did Rob leave his razor to mislead Vic? Or to give him some kind of correct information (Maybe "I'm infamous Billy the Barber who always shaves his victims before taking their valuables"?)?
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Did "Rob" (the robber) take something directly off of "Vic" (the victim) without him being aware of it? Noish.
Like removed something from his pocket? Took a part of his clothing? This. Eyeglasses? Phone?
Did Vic willingly give something to Rob, thinking Rob simply wanted to borrow it? No.
Had Vic and Rob met before they got to the hotel? Yes.
Were they co-workers? Were they related? No to both.
Was Vic carrying the item with him?
Or was it in the hotel room? Both.

Was the chain of events like this: Rob and Vic go into hotel room, Rob steals something from Vic, Rob changes clothes, Rob exits the room Yes.

Or: Rob and Vic go into hotel room, Rob changes clothes, Rob steals something from Vic, Rob exits the room No.

Or is it another way? Is any relevant event missing from that list? Yes.

Did Vic not immediately notice that the item was gone because it is a small item? Because it's not something that he uses very often? Because he thought it was somewhere safe? Because he didn't think anyone would want to take it? None of these reasons.

How big/small is the item? The size of a key? The size of a coin? The size of a credit card? The size of a baseball? Larger, and technically it's multiple items.

Is anyone else relevant to this story besides Rob and Vic? Yes.

Did Rob shave himself? Yes. Did he shave Vic? No. Or did Vic shave himself? Assume yes. Vic shave Rob? No. Is anybody else involved in the shaving? Noish. Maybe the barber who shaves everybody who doesn't shave himself? No.

Did Rob steal Vic's beard? No.

Was Vic asleep at any point in time while Rob was in Vic's room? Yes!

Did Rob leave his razor to mislead Vic? Or to give him some kind of correct information (Maybe "I'm infamous Billy the Barber who always shaves his victims before taking their valuables"?)? No to both.
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Did Rob take Vic's shoes? Gloves? Rings?
So they both entered the room, and then Vic fell asleep? Was Rob waiting for Vic to fall asleep so that he could take something that belonged to Vic?
Is it relevant to know why they were staying at the hotel? Had they travelled to the hotel together, or just met there?

Did anyone else enter the room after Vic and Rob but before Rob left?
Did Rob talk to anyone after he left the room?
Did Rob give the stolen item(s) to anyone?
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Did Rob steal a piece of luggage? A collection?

Is Vic asleep when Rob enters his room? When Rob shaves himself? When Rob takes Vic's money? When Rob takes the other relevant item(s)? When Rob changes his clothes? When Rob leaves the room?

Did Rob do anything to ensure Vic would fall asleep? Did Vic know Rob was in his room when he fell asleep?

Were the clothes Rob wore before changing them of the ordinary kind you would expect someone to wear when walking around in a hotel? The clothes he wore after the change?
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Did Rob take Vic's shoes? Gloves? Rings? Irr.
So they both entered the room, and then Vic fell asleep? Yes. Was Rob waiting for Vic to fall asleep so that he could take something that belonged to Vic? Yes.
Is it relevant to know why they were staying at the hotel? Yes. Had they travelled to the hotel together This., or just met there?

Did anyone else enter the room after Vic and Rob but before Rob left? No.
Did Rob talk to anyone after he left the room? Irr.
Did Rob give the stolen item(s) to anyone? Irr.

Did Rob steal a piece of luggage? A collection? No to both.

Is Vic asleep when Rob enters his room? No. When Rob shaves himself? FA. When Rob takes Vic's money? When Rob takes the other relevant item(s)? When Rob changes his clothes? When Rob leaves the room? Yes to the rest.

Did Rob do anything to ensure Vic would fall asleep? Possibly, irr. Did Vic know Rob was in his room when he fell asleep? Yes.

Were the clothes Rob wore before changing them of the ordinary kind you would expect someone to wear when walking around in a hotel? Yope. The clothes he wore after the change? Yes.
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Did Rob steal something made of paper? Plastic? Metal?
Were Vic and Rob in the town to attend some kind of event? If so, was the event at the hotel? A conference?
Or was it an event at another place in the city?
Were they staying at the hotel more than one night?
Assuming that Vic was going to go home after he left the hotel (and that town), did his trip go pretty much "as planned" even though Rob stole something from him? Did Vic realize that Rob had stolen something besides money from him before he got home?
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did Rob steal his identity?

did Rob shave Vic?
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Did Rob steal something made of paper? Plastic? Metal? None of these, except possibly a little bit of metal.
Were Vic and Rob in the town to attend some kind of event? No. If so, was the event at the hotel? A conference?
Or was it an event at another place in the city?
Were they staying at the hotel more than one night? No.
Assuming that Vic was going to go home after he left the hotel (and that town), did his trip go pretty much "as planned" even though Rob stole something from him? No. Did Vic realize that Rob had stolen something besides money from him before he got home? Yes.

did Rob steal his identity? No... with a slight ish.

did Rob shave Vic? No.
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Did Rob shave to look more like Vic? Did he wear a wig for the same purpose? did he change into the clothing he stole from Vic?
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Did Rob shave to look more like Vic? No. Did he wear a wig for the same purpose? No. did he change into the clothing he stole from Vic? Yes!
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Was the object round? Square? Rectangular? 2 dimensional or 3 dimensional?

Was the hotel a stopover point from Point A to Point B on a trip?
After robbing Vic, did Rob leave the hotel and never return? Or did he go somewhere else in the hotel?
Did Rob put on Vic's clothes in order to meet someone who was expecting to meet Vic (like Vic has told someone "I'll be in the lobby wearing a blue shirt and a red hat" and this is what Rob stole and put on)?

When Vic woke up, was Rob still in the room?
Did the sight of the razor give Vic the knowledge that something wasn't right? That something had been taken from him?

Did the relevant razor belong to Vic? Or Rob? Or neither of them?
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Was the object round? Square? Rectangular? 2 dimensional or 3 dimensional? As noted above, it was clothing.

Was the hotel a stopover point from Point A to Point B on a trip? No.
After robbing Vic, did Rob leave the hotel and never return? Yes. Or did he go somewhere else in the hotel? No.
Did Rob put on Vic's clothes in order to meet someone who was expecting to meet Vic (like Vic has told someone "I'll be in the lobby wearing a blue shirt and a red hat" and this is what Rob stole and put on)? No.

When Vic woke up, was Rob still in the room? No.
Did the sight of the razor give Vic the knowledge that something wasn't right? That something had been taken from him? No to both.

Did the relevant razor belong to Vic? Or Rob? Or neither of them? All three, in succession.
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Did he change clothes because his own would have been recognized by someone? Because he wanted Vic's to be recognized by someone? Because he likes Vic's better? For some symbolic purpose?
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Did he take all of Vic's clothes? Or just certain ones?
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Did he change clothes because his own would have been recognized by someone? Because he wanted Vic's to be recognized by someone? Because he likes Vic's better? Yope. For some symbolic purpose? No to the rest.

Did he take all of Vic's clothes? Assume yes. Or just certain ones? No.
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Was there something wrong with Rob's clothes (e.g. a hole, chemical spill, etc.?)? Something unsuitable for what he planned to do?
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Also, did Rob need Vic's clothes specifically? Or would any random person's clothes that fit him work?
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Was there something wrong with Rob's clothes (e.g. a hole, chemical spill, etc.?)? Rob's clothes were undamaged. Something unsuitable for what he planned to do? No.

Also, did Rob need Vic's clothes specifically? Or would any random person's clothes that fit him work? This, most likely.
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Is the country where this takes place relevant? If so, LTPF list of countries, please. The same with LTPF list of seasons of year.

Did the razor belong to Rob before belonging to Vic? Or vice versa? Did it belong at some point in time to a third person other than those involved in its production, sale, and disposal?

Did Rob commit a relevant crime besides the theft? Did Vic commit any relevant crime?
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Is the other relevant person related to Vic? Related to Rob?
Is it a male or a female? An adult, teen or child?
Is the other person also in the hotel? Also in the room with Vic and Rob? Also a person that knew about the razor? Also used the razor? Is also a Vic(tim)? Is also a Rob(ber)?
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Is the country where this takes place relevant? No. If so, LTPF list of countries, please. The song is from New Zealand. The same with LTPF list of seasons of year. Irr.

Did the razor belong to Rob before belonging to Vic? Yes. Or vice versa? No. Did it belong at some point in time to a third person other than those involved in its production, sale, and disposal? Assume yes.

Did Rob commit a relevant crime besides the theft? No. Did Vic commit any relevant crime? Assume yes.

Remember, folksong logic applies here!
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Is the other relevant person related to Vic? Related to Rob? No to both.
Is it a male or a female? An adult, teen or child? Assume a male adult.
Is the other person also in the hotel? Also in the room with Vic and Rob? No to both. Also a person that knew about the razor? Yes. Also used the razor? Assume yes. Is also a Vic(tim)? Is also a Rob(ber)? Assume yes to both.
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Did Rob assume Vic committed a crime against him? Was revenge one of Rob's motives?
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Did Rob assume Vic committed a crime against him? Was revenge one of Rob's motives? No to both.
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Is the other relevant person Rob's accomplice? Vic's accomplice?

Is Vic also a criminal?
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Had the person that is now Rob once been a Vic?
Had person 3 committed this act against Rob?
And Rob is now acting it out with Vic?
Had Vic asked to borrow Rob's razor?
Had Vic played some kind of prank or trick on Rob which involved the razor?
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Is the other relevant person Rob's accomplice? Vic's accomplice? No to both.

Is Vic also a criminal? Not yet.

Had the person that is now Rob once been a Vic? Yes.
Had person 3 committed this act against Rob? Yes.
And Rob is now acting it out with Vic? Yes.
Had Vic asked to borrow Rob's razor? No.
Had Vic played some kind of prank or trick on Rob which involved the razor? Turn that around! And yes, it involves the razor.
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Does the razor have something to do with the kind of prank that was played? If so, does it involve the way the razor works? Something to do with the blade?

So Rob wasn't doing this to get back at Vic, he was doing it because someone else did it to him and he wanted to try it on someone?
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Does the razor have something to do with the kind of prank that was played? Yes. If so, does it involve the way the razor works? Something to do with the blade? No, the razor just helps a little.

So Rob wasn't doing this to get back at Vic, he was doing it because someone else did it to him Yes. and he wanted to try it on someone? He didn't particularly want to, no. Note: It's not really a prank but it could be seen as such. While it has humorous value, Rob is in earnest as he does it.
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Hmmm...still feel like I'm going the wrong way...

Did Rob do it because he needed something that Vic had? His clothes? His money?
Would Rob have faced some kind of punishment if he hadn't done it?
Was it an act of desperation? Was he trying to complete some kind of challenge? Like an initiation? For a fraternity?
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Did Rob do it because he needed something that Vic had? Yes. His clothes? This. His money?
Would Rob have faced some kind of punishment if he hadn't done it? No.
Was it an act of desperation? Yes. Was he trying to complete some kind of challenge? No. Like an initiation? For a fraternity?
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Had Rob committed any crime before taking Vic's clothes? Were Rob's clothes dirty? Torn? Wet?
Were they accomplices to another crime, and something happened to Rob's clothes that would make him easily identifiable so he changed into Vic's clothes? Were they robbing the hotel?
Had Vic done anything wrong that day? Anything that he could have been arrested for?
Were Rob's actions done so that he could get away without getting caught and arrested?
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Had Rob committed any crime before taking Vic's clothes? Were Rob's clothes dirty? Torn? Wet?
Were they accomplices to another crime, and something happened to Rob's clothes that would make him easily identifiable so he changed into Vic's clothes? Were they robbing the hotel?
Had Vic done anything wrong that day? Anything that he could have been arrested for?
Were Rob's actions done so that he could get away without getting caught and arrested? No to all.
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Rob felt it necessary to leave the room wearing different clothes than he wore when he entered?
Was this decision made because Rob knew someone would see him leave the room or the building?
Did Rob wear a T-shirt before he changed? After?
Jeans before or after? A tie before or after? Hat? Jacket?
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Rob felt it necessary to leave the room wearing different clothes than he wore when he entered? Yes.
Was this decision made because Rob knew someone would see him leave the room or the building? No.
Did Rob wear a T-shirt before he changed? After?
Jeans before or after? A tie before or after? Hat? Jacket? None of these before, assume shirt and pants after.
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I just had a crazy thought about something, but it would mean that this is at least a PG13 puzzle if not R rated. I'll try some q's to see if it's not so crazy after all...

At any point, was Vic dressed like a woman?
Was Rob?

So Rob wore pants and shirt after. Did he wear pants and shirt before he changed? No pants? No shirt?

Is the hotel in the same city where Vic lives? Where Rob lives?

As for that razor, did Rob leave it behind with the purpose of wanting Vic to see it? Or did it not really matter to Rob whether or not Vic saw it?

Did he leave it in a certain place? Just a random place? Did he hide it somewhere?
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I just had a crazy thought about something, but it would mean that this is at least a PG13 puzzle if not R rated. I'll try some q's to see if it's not so crazy after all... Good thinking. I'd say it's PG-13.

At any point, was Vic dressed like a woman? Yes.
Was Rob? Yes.

So Rob wore pants and shirt after. Did he wear pants and shirt before he changed? No. No pants? No shirt? Neither.

Is the hotel in the same city where Vic lives? Where Rob lives? Irr.

As for that razor, did Rob leave it behind with the purpose of wanting Vic to see it? Yes. Or did it not really matter to Rob whether or not Vic saw it?

Did he leave it in a certain place? Assume in an obvious location. Just a random place? Did he hide it somewhere?
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So are they drag queens? Performers? Prostitutes?
Undercover cops?
Do they meet up somewhere before going to the hotel?
Do they travel to the hotel together or meet there?
Have they met in person before being at the hotel?
When they go into the room they are both dressed as women?
Does Vic know that Rob is a man?
Does Rob know that Vic is a man?
Does Rob leave anything else besides the razor for Vic to see?
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So are they drag queens? Performers? Prostitutes?
Undercover cops? None of these.
Do they meet up somewhere before going to the hotel? Yes.
Do they travel to the hotel together This. or meet there?
Have they met in person before being at the hotel? Yes.
When they go into the room they are both dressed as women? No.
Does Vic know that Rob is a man? No.
Does Rob know that Vic is a man? Yes.
Does Rob leave anything else besides the razor for Vic to see? Yes.
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does Rob leave a note? money? his fake boobs? some inherently masculine object?

is Rob a ladyboy?

erm - did Vic become aware before Rob left that he was a man?
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does Rob leave a note? money? his fake boobs? some inherently masculine object? None of these.

is Rob a ladyboy? No.

erm - did Vic become aware before Rob left that he was a man? No.
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Did Rob leave his costume? His wig?
Had Rob ever dressed as a woman prior to this occasion?
Had Vic ever?
Was Vic expecting a romantic encounter? Was Rob?
Is either Vic or Rob's job relevant?
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Did Rob leave his costume? His wig? Both.
Had Rob ever dressed as a woman prior to this occasion? No.
Had Vic ever? No.
Was Vic expecting a romantic encounter? Yes. Was Rob? No.
Is either Vic or Rob's job relevant? Mildly.
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Ok, so Vic never discovers that Rob is a man, and Vic is dressed as a woman and Rob knows that Vic is a man dressed as a woman...right?
Does Rob immediately know, upon meeting Vic, that he's really a man? Or does Rob discover this some time after he meets Vic?
Is it relevant to know how they met? Why they met?

Rob leaves a razor, his wig and costume...does he leave anything else?

I'm not sure I want to know, but when they get to the hotel room does Vic fall asleep before doing anything else?
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Ok, so Vic never discovers that Rob is a man, and Vic is dressed as a woman and Rob knows that Vic is a man dressed as a woman...right? FA. Vic does learn that Rob is a man, and Vic is not dressed as a woman at the time Rob meets him.
Does Rob immediately know, upon meeting Vic, that he's really a man? Or does Rob discover this some time after he meets Vic? Other way around.
Is it relevant to know how they met? Mildly. Why they met? No.

Rob leaves a razor, his wig and costume...does he leave anything else? No.

I'm not sure I want to know, but when they get to the hotel room does Vic fall asleep before doing anything else? Yes.
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Do these guys both run the same kind of racket? Are they con artists? Were they both out to con people and ended up having to out-con each other?

Vic learns that Rob is a man...when he finds Rob's costume? Or before that?
Have Rob and Vic just met on the day that they go to the hotel? Or have they previously met? And this is an arranged meeting (at the hotel)?
When Rob first meets Vic, Vic is dressed as a man?
And at another point dresses like a woman?
Have Rob and Vic been on a date?
Does Vic invite Rob to the hotel? Or does Rob invite Vic?
Is Rob dressed as a woman when he meets Vic? Or dressed as a man? Has Vic ever seen Rob dressed as a man? Has Rob ever seen Vic dressed as a woman?
Does Vic's job ever require him to dress like a woman? Does Rob's?
Is Vic a spy? Is Rob?
Are either of them detectives? Private investigators?
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Do these guys both run the same kind of racket? No. Are they con artists? No. Were they both out to con people and ended up having to out-con each other? No.

Vic learns that Rob is a man...when he finds Rob's costume? Yes. Or before that?
Have Rob and Vic just met on the day that they go to the hotel? This. Or have they previously met? And this is an arranged meeting (at the hotel)?
When Rob first meets Vic, Vic is dressed as a man? Yes.
And at another point dresses like a woman? Yes.
Have Rob and Vic been on a date? Yes.
Does Vic invite Rob to the hotel? Or does Rob invite Vic? This.
Is Rob dressed as a woman when he meets Vic? This. Or dressed as a man? Has Vic ever seen Rob dressed as a man? No. Has Rob ever seen Vic dressed as a woman? No.
Does Vic's job ever require him to dress like a woman? Does Rob's? No to both.
Is Vic a spy? Is Rob? No to both.
Are either of them detectives? Private investigators? No to both.
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Does Vic have a habit of dressing as a woman? Does Rob?
Has Rob dressed as a woman before? Has Vic?
Is the kind of women's clothes that either person wears relevant? Or just relevant that it's womens' clothing?
When they were on the date, were both dressed as women?
Do they meet at the hotel, then leave, then come back?
When Vic dresses as a woman, does he tell Rob that he is Vic dressed as a woman? Or does he think that Rob doesn't know that it's him?
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Does Vic have a habit of dressing as a woman? Does Rob? No to both.
Has Rob dressed as a woman before? Has Vic? No to both.
Is the kind of women's clothes that either person wears relevant? No, assume a dress. Or just relevant that it's womens' clothing? Correct.
When they were on the date, were both dressed as women? No.
Do they meet at the hotel, then leave, then come back? No.
When Vic dresses as a woman, does he tell Rob that he is Vic dressed as a woman? Or does he think that Rob doesn't know that it's him? FA
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Does Rob dress as a woman specifically for the purpose of getting Vic alone and robbing him?

Could Rob have robbed Vic in this way if Vic had never dressed as a woman himself?
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Does Rob dress as a woman specifically for the purpose of getting Vic alone and robbing him? No.

Could Rob have robbed Vic in this way if Vic had never dressed as a woman himself? Vic never had.
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Ah, does Vic dress like a woman AFTER Rob leaves? Because those (Rob's costume) are the only clothes he has available?
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Ah, does Vic dress like a woman AFTER Rob leaves? Yes. Because those (Rob's costume) are the only clothes he has available? Yes!
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Would you mind doing a recap?
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does Rob dress as a woman specifically to disguise himself so that he won't be recognised later when he is dressed as a man again?

does Rob trick Vic just to get his clothes from him? has someone stolen his male clothes?

is Rob a criminal? is he in the entertainment industry? government? education? catering?
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This could be a cycle: Rob dressed as a man meets a woman who is actually a man, they go somewhere and when Rob wakes up his clothes and money are gone and his only option is to wear women's clothes left behind by the person he was with. So then he continues the cycle with Vic. This seems a little odd though, because most men who got tricked like this would only keep the women's clothes on unt they could buy some new clothes and then never fall for the gag again and never tell anyone what happened...right?
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This could be a cycle: Rob dressed as a man meets a woman who is actually a man, they go somewhere and when Rob wakes up his clothes and money are gone and his only option is to wear women's clothes left behind by the person he was with. So then he continues the cycle with Vic. This seems a little odd though, because most men who got tricked like this would only keep the women's clothes on unt they could buy some new clothes and then never fall for the gag again and never tell anyone what happened...right?

Ah, but this is a folksong, and folksong logic is like that. This is a New Zealand version of a common sea song. In the sea version, he returns to his ship and gets laughed at by the rest of the crew. You can find this on Youtube, sung by Andy Irvine.

SPOILER:

The Close Shave

Come gather round you diggers who work the goldfields rare,
It's of a trick was played on me which caused me to despair,
I came to town the other day my hard earned gold to trade,
'Twas there I met a pretty maid, who did my heart betray.

Chorus: Her lips were red as roses, her eyes a deep sky blue,
Her hair as yellow as the gold, she stole from me and you.

She took me to a public house and there we did imbibe,
In whiskey and strong porter, and dreadful stuff besides,
It's then she asked me up to bed, to which I did agree,
But truth to tell I fell asleep, before she earned her fee.

When I awoke next morning, no trousers could I find,
But scattered all around me were women's clothes so fine.
My jacket, shoes and gold had gone, and all that's left behind,
Is a woman's dress, a yellow wig and a shaving kit, not mine.

Why did she need the wig? Why did she need to shave?
It's then the truth it struck me, in a fit of blinding rage.
My pretty maid's a man I cried, be thanks I fell asleep,
I'd rather lose a bag of gold, than face that dirty creep.

To venture in the street again, I cautiously inclined,
I had a shave, put on the wig, and wore the dress so fine,
And as I walked along the road, a digger gave a wink.
I thought of all the gold he had, so I offered him a drink.

Now you might think it sinful, oh you might think it bold,
To take advantage of the lads who struggle for the gold.
It's easy putting on a dress and drinking whiskey neat,
But leave your shaving kit behind when they are fast asleep.

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