| Author | Message | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 196 Registered: 2-2012 |
Inspired by Ixoye, and as a lover of music of radically different styles, I hereby present the following puzzle: There is both a well known musical play (which you can watch as a movie), and secondly,an opera. They share what I think is an unusual property: The sung lyrics in both of these productions include some single syllable vocalisations, which I suspect are quite rare in any sung vocals that are recorded and/or publicly performed for a paying audience. Many people might not consider these syllables to be words, although I'm fairly sure they would be in a dictionary (haven't looked yet). What are these syllables? And what is the musical and the opera? I have a feeling that not many people are familiar with the opera, so ok, googling is allowed, based on your own discretion. | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 197 Registered: 2-2012 |
To clarify, the two things are: 1) The play, which I has been made available in film, and 2) the opera. ... just in case the puzzles statement was not clear... | ||
| Balin (Balin)
New member Username: Balin Post Number: 17155 Registered: 4-2010 |
Are they normally considered nonsense syllables? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 204 Registered: 2-2012 |
Are they normally considered nonsense syllables? Not at all - almost anyone would know what these syllables represent | ||
| Jenburdoo (Jenburdoo)
New member Username: Jenburdoo Post Number: 4988 Registered: 5-2003 |
Do the opera and play both have the same title (or are based on the same property)? Are they in English? Were they made in this century? Last? Previous centuries? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 205 Registered: 2-2012 |
Do the opera and play both have the same title No (or are based on the same property)? Not sure what you mean Are they in English? Yes (there might be portions of both the play and the opera that might be in other langauges - I'm not certain). But, yeah, anyone would consider them both to be in English). Were they made in this century? Last? Previous centuries? Both first appeared on the stage after 1950 but before 1980. | ||
| Gregoryuconn (Gregoryuconn)
New member Username: Gregoryuconn Post Number: 1909 Registered: 9-2010 |
La la la la la la? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 207 Registered: 2-2012 |
La la la la la la? Not sure what exact question you are asking, if you can clarify, that would be great, but you're actually on the right track . | ||
| Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
New member Username: Ixoye724 Post Number: 3949 Registered: 1-2001 |
So I've inspired a puzzle? Well I hope this one goes well... Are the syllables meant to be "stand-alone" words in a lyric? Or is someone using syllables to spell out a word or words? For instance, in the Hall and Oates song "Method Of Modern Love," the chorus lyrics are,"M-E-T-H-O-D-O-F-L-O-V-E," meant to be heard as spelling out "method of love," but the individual letters are sung instead of saying the words. Or, like what I think Greg is asking, is a syllable like "La," or "Doo Bee Do Bee Do," sung in a manner that would be indicative of the meaning of the lyric? Another thing that came to mind is how Hanson used the word "Mmmmm-bop" to mean "a short amount of time." The chorus of the song repeats this several times, but in the context of the song the listener understands that it's meant to stand for something else. Is this a similar idea? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 209 Registered: 2-2012 |
Are the syllables meant to be "stand-alone" words in a lyric? In one case, yes. I looked up the definition of "word" and these syllables indeed are technically words, although I can't see how they could be used in a sentence that wasn't at least indirectly referring to the "definition" of these "words". In the second case, these "words" were not actually used semantically as words. I know this is difficult to describe, but it will become clear soon I think. Or is someone using syllables to spell out a word or words? No For instance, in the Hall and Oates song "Method Of Modern Love," the chorus lyrics are,"M-E-T-H-O-D-O-F-L-O-V-E," meant to be heard as spelling out "method of love," but the individual letters are sung instead of saying the words. No Or, like what I think Greg is asking, is a syllable like "La," or "Doo Bee Do Bee Do," sung in a manner that would be indicative of the meaning of the lyric? I'm not really what your asking.. If your'e asking if these syllables mean nothing on their own, but help provide meaning to the lyric as a whole, then yope to one of the cases, and no to the other case. Another thing that came to mind is how Hanson used the word "Mmmmm-bop" to mean "a short amount of time." The chorus of the song repeats this several times, but in the context of the song the listener understands that it's meant to stand for something else. Is this a similar idea? No to both cases | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 210 Registered: 2-2012 |
Oh, and just to be clear once again, the play/movie and the opera are entirely independent entities. It's not that the opera is based on the the play or anything like that. Far from it! The only thing they share is the use of these syllables. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3057 Registered: 2-2011 |
do these syllables represent a sound? like "woof woof"? whoosh? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 211 Registered: 2-2012 |
do these syllables represent a sound? like "woof woof"? whoosh? No | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 212 Registered: 2-2012 |
HINT: Think of hills | ||
| Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
New member Username: Kyeannpepper Post Number: 873 Registered: 1-2012 |
The hills are alive with the sound of music? Or, to be more specific, the 'aah' bits? Only thing I could think of. | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 214 Registered: 2-2012 |
Sorry for the long delay The hills are alive with the sound of music? Very much OTRT - one of the two instances is a song in this musical Or, to be more specific, the 'aah' bits? I don't remember the 'aah' bits, so I guess no And don't forget that post #1909 carries a clue. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3122 Registered: 2-2011 |
is LA one of the syllables? tra? tum? ti? | ||
| Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
New member Username: Kyeannpepper Post Number: 898 Registered: 1-2012 |
Okay, I don't know the titles of some of the songs, so I'll just use a line from them. How do you solve a problem like Maria? Do, a deer? My favorite things? Sixteen going on seventeen? The lonely goatherd? So long, farewell? Climb every mountain? Edelweiss? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3124 Registered: 2-2011 |
it has to be Doe, a deer - la, a note that follows soh | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 217 Registered: 2-2012 |
is LA one of the syllables? <b>Yes><>/b> tra? In the first case, uncertain, in the second case, no um? See last answer ti? Yes Okay, I don't know the titles of some of the songs, so I'll just use a line from them. How do you solve a problem like Maria? Do, a deer? My favorite things? Sixteen going on seventeen? The lonely goatherd? So long, farewell? Climb every mountain? Edelweiss? Do-Re-Mi it has to be Doe, a deer - la, a note that follows soh Yes Looks like the first part of the puzzle is solved. But now what is the opera that makes very heavy use of these syllables (just a personal estimation - at least 40 % of the entire sung lyrics)? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 218 Registered: 2-2012 |
Sorry, posted accidentally before editing. Ok congratulations for solving the syllables and the musical play. But now, what about an Opera that uses these syllables much more heavilly? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 255 Registered: 2-2012 |
bumping this - think avant garde! | ||
| Peter365 (Peter365)
New member Username: Peter365 Post Number: 4211 Registered: 1-2007 |
Il barbiere Di Siviglia? Figaro La , Figaro qua, Figaro La, Figaro Su etc. etc. Lots of La's | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 260 Registered: 2-2012 |
No, remember, that in my estimation, about half of the the sung vocals in the opera are solefeges<sp?> You're still thinking too traditional, and maybe not many people know this opera, so maybe it wasn't so great a puzzle. But you will learn if you google perhaps. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3238 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it an opera sung by human beings? or cats? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 263 Registered: 2-2012 |
is it an opera sung by human beings? Yes or cats? No, but would be an interesting idea! But their contract would no doubt require a cheezzburger per kitteh so for that reason if might not be practical | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 273 Registered: 2-2012 |
(and where's kyennapper to offer the cheessburgers to the kittys?) Sorry, I know I spelled you name wrong probably so sorry in advance. | ||
| Kyeannpepper (Kyeannpepper)
New member Username: Kyeannpepper Post Number: 973 Registered: 1-2012 |
I haz arrived to offur cheezburgurs to teh kittehs! Don't worry about it, people spell my name wrong all the time in RL, so I'm used to it :P. | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 275 Registered: 2-2012 |
Yes kitteh opera FTW! Help us out here, we are looking for an opera where approx half of the sung syllables are do re me etc, And googling is ok I guess because nobody is getting this. | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 276 Registered: 2-2012 |
Yes kitteh opera FTW! Help us out here, we are looking for an opera where approx half of the sung syllables are do re me etc, And googling is ok I guess because nobody is getting this. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3241 Registered: 2-2011 |
I don't know how to spell it but - Lucia de Lammermoor? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 278 Registered: 2-2012 |
I don't know how to spell it but - Lucia de Lammermoor? No. HINTS: The spoken words (I think they are called libretos?) are as far as I know, all in English, although I can't be absolutely that this will be true for the next performance, because from the music I bought from Amazon, it seems that they ,apparently make some changes when they go on a new tour. Also a Violin player is very prominent, and in fact the opera is ostensibly about the historical character that the Violin player portrays. The character portrayed, however, was not by any means famous for his Violin playing, but for something that most people would consider far more important. | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 279 Registered: 2-2012 |
I don't know how to spell it but - Lucia de Lammermoor? No. HINTS: The spoken words (I think they are called libretos?) are as far as I know, all in English, although I can't be absolutely that this will be true for the next performance, because from the music I bought from Amazon, it seems that they ,apparently make some changes when they go on a new tour. Also a Violin player is very prominent, and in fact the opera is ostensibly about the historical character that the Violin player portrays. The character portrayed, however, was not by any means famous for his Violin playing, but for something that most people would consider far more important. | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 287 Registered: 2-2012 |
***SPOILER*** , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , I, have more than three puzzles on the board right now, I need to pick a puzzle to spoil. The opera in question is simply Einstein on the Beach! (with the Phillip Glass ensemble). Because glass is 70 years, the current tour of this performance will most likely be the last one. |
