| Author | Message | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8208 Registered: 8-2001 |
The headline of a news story about health was obviously false. How come? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1563 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the headline mention: The results of research? A specific disease or health problem? Doctors? Ways to improve your health? Cures for illness? Healthy eating? Exercise? Statistics about health? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8211 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1563 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, July 16, 2012 - 11:21 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the headline mention: The results of research? yes Aspecific disease or health problem? yes Doctors? no Ways to improve your health? yes Cures for illness? no Healthy eating? noish Exercise? no Statistics about health? yesish | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 331 Registered: 10-2011 |
was there a typo? or did the headline say exactly what the person writing it was intending to say? is it likely the person who wrote the headline thought it was true? was it one of those sentences that are true and false at the same time? was it essentially true, but could be interpreted in a way that made it false? April's fool? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1565 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did the headline imply something unintended by its author? Did it suggest that something impossible had been done? Achieving immortality? Did it misuse a word? Use a word that can mean more than one thing? Misrepresent some statistics or facts? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8213 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jondahr (Jondahr) New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 331 Registered: 10-2011 Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 - 6:09 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) was there a typo? no or did the headline say exactly what the person writing it was intending to say? yes is it likely the person who wrote the headline thought it was true? yes was it one of those sentences that are true and false at the same time? yope was it essentially true, but could be interpreted in a way that made it false? noish April's fool? no Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1565 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2012 - 4:26 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the headline imply something unintended by its author? no Did it suggest that something impossible had been done? no Achieving immortality? noDid it misuse a word? yesish Use a word that can mean more than one thing? yope Misrepresent some statistics or facts? yes | ||
| Jondahr (Jondahr)
New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 351 Registered: 10-2011 |
Would most people recognize that this headline was false? Or only people with a certain degree of knowledge of medicine? Or something else? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8219 Registered: 8-2001 |
Jondahr (Jondahr) New member Username: Jondahr Post Number: 351 Registered: 10-2011 Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 2:55 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Would most people recognize that this headline was false? Maybe not most, but many would Or only people with a certain degree of knowledge of medicine? no Or something else?yesish--what's relevant is not knowledge but a certain sort of ability | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8230 Registered: 8-2001 |
HINT: Find out what aspect of health the article deals with. | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1085 Registered: 6-2003 |
Did the article deal with .. .. a specific disease or medical condition? if so: a specific part of the body relevant? .. a specific cure or treatment? .. aspects of healthy life? .. sports? .. disease prevention? .. clinical medicine? .. emergency care? .. after-surgery care? .. hospital management? .. medical insurance? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8251 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sundowner (Sundowner) New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1085 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 9:03 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the article deal with .. .. a specific disease or medical condition? yesif so: a specific part of the body relevant? no .. a specific cure or treatment? no .. aspects of healthy life? yesish .. sports? no .. disease prevention? yope .. clinical medicine? noish .. emergency care? no .. after-surgery care? no .. hospital management? no .. medical insurance? no | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1094 Registered: 6-2003 |
A disease that affects the whole body? that can affect any part of the body? an infectuous disease? a genetic disorder? a mental disease? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8256 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sundowner (Sundowner) New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1094 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 11:15 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) A disease that affects the whole body? yesishthat can affect any part of the body? see previous answer an infectuous disease? no a genetic disorder? no a mental disease? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1608 Registered: 4-2007 |
Cancer? Things that cause it? Things that cure it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8260 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1608 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 5:58 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Cancer? noThings that cause it? no Things that cure it? no | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3239 Registered: 2-2011 |
a skin disease? blood? bone? mental health? anaemia? diabetes? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8272 Registered: 8-2001 |
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3239 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Sunday, August 05, 2012 - 5:06 pm: a skin disease? noblood? nobone? no mental health? no anaemia? nodiabetes? no | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1106 Registered: 6-2003 |
Does the disease affect muscles? blood? blood vessels? nerve cells? heart? lung? liver? the digestive system? the brain? Is the disease caused by trauma? physical or emotional stress? contact with some substances? parasites? Is the cause of the disease largely unknown? Alzheimer? Parkinson? Tinnitus? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8300 Registered: 8-2001 |
Sundowner (Sundowner) New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1106 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 9:14 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Does the disease affect muscles? blood? blood vessels? nerve cells? heart? lung? liver? the digestive system? the brain? can affect anything but (HINT), it's not usually called a disease Is the disease caused by trauma? no physical very rarely or emotional somrtimesstress? contact with some substances? yesishparasites? Is the cause of the disease largely unknown? yope no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8301 Registered: 8-2001 |
BELOW IS A CORRECTED VERSION OF THE END OF THE PREVIOUS POSTING Is the disease caused by trauma? no physical very rarely or emotional sometimes stress? contact with some substances? yesishparasites? no Is the cause of the disease largely unknown? opinions vary | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1625 Registered: 4-2007 |
Are people born with it? Can it be cured? Is there any debate about whether it exists at all? Would it be more usually referred to as a condition? A problem? A difficulty? Is it caused by bacteria? Viruses? Can animals experience it? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8303 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1625 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 7:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Are people born with it? very rarely if ever Can it be cured?I think so, but that's debatable Is there any debate about whether it exists at all? noWould it be more usually referred to as a condition? see next answer A problem? yesA difficulty? 'problem' is best Is it caused by bacteria? no Viruses? noCan animals experience it? some can & some can't | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1626 Registered: 4-2007 |
Do people with this problem lack something that most people have? Have something extra? Does it affect movement? Speech? Are old people more likely to develop it? Will most people experience it at some time? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8309 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1626 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 11:07 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Do people with this problem lack something that most people have?see next answer Have something extra? This is the most natural way to put it Does it affect movement? possibly but not necessarily Speech? noAre old people more likely to develop it? no Will most people experience it at some time? In America, probably. Worldwide, probably not | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1629 Registered: 4-2007 |
Obesity? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8311 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1629 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Sunday, August 12, 2012 - 11:41 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Obesity? not quite, but you're VERY ORT | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1630 Registered: 4-2007 |
Being overweight? Larger than average? Underweight? Swollen? | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1631 Registered: 4-2007 |
High blood pressure? High cholesterol? Being generally unfit? Diabetes? | ||
| Sundowner (Sundowner)
New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1113 Registered: 6-2003 |
Is there a dispute whether this condition should be considered a disease at all? whether it should be cured? terms like "disease mongering" or "blood parameter cosmetics" relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8314 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1630 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 12:57 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Being overweight? yesLarger than average?see previous answer Underweight? no Swollen? see first answer in this series Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1631 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 12:58 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) High blood pressure? High cholesterol? Being generally unfit? Diabetes? It's being overweight. See above Sundowner (Sundowner) New member Username: Sundowner Post Number: 1113 Registered: 6-2003 Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 7:35 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is there a dispute whether this condition should be considered a disease at all?yes whether it should be cured?sometimes terms like "disease mongering" or "blood parameter cosmetics" relevant? no | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1555 Registered: 6-2005 |
Ok... so can I rephrase your original puzzle statement to read "The headline of a news story about being overweight was obviously false. How come?" ? Does the falsehood have to do with the cause? The cure? Or rather the methods of losing weight? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 308 Registered: 2-2012 |
Was the headline false because what it stated was only true for developed countries? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8317 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1555 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 11:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Ok... so can I rephrase your original puzzle statement to read "The headline of a news story about being overweight was obviously false. How come?" ? yes Does the falsehood have to do with the cause? no The cure? no Or rather the methods of losing weight? no Beachbum (Beachbum) New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 308 Registered: 2-2012 Posted on Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - 6:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the headline false because what it stated was only true for developed countries? no | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1559 Registered: 6-2005 |
Did the news story link being overweight (obesity?) to another problem? I.e. Sleep apnea? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1560 Registered: 6-2005 |
And just because: Is obesity known to the state of California to cause cancer? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8322 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1559 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the news story link being overweight (obesity?) to another problem? noI.e. Sleep apnea? no Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1560 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 11:43 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) And just because: Is obesity known to the state of California to cause cancer? noooooooo | ||
| Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin)
New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 5638 Registered: 9-2010 |
Recap please Nimue? (hello there, I am back =) I hope you are faring well and have had plenty of chocolate =D) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8324 Registered: 8-2001 |
Kayleetonkslupin (Kayleetonkslupin) New member Username: Kayleetonkslupin Post Number: 5638 Registered: 9-2010 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 6:17 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Recap please Nimue? Add the following to the puzzle statement: The article is about being overweight & the headline mentions overweight(hello there, I am back Welcome back!!) I hope you are faring well and have had plenty of chocolate =D) And so in likewise to you | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1563 Registered: 6-2005 |
Is the headline more of a generic observation? statement? I.e. Overweight people lead happier lives. Or are jollier. | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8327 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1563 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 11:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the headline more of a generic observation? yope statement? yope I.e. Overweight people lead happier lives. Or are jollier. Neither of these. HINT: It's something that ANY REASONABLY ACUTE READER would realize is false: no background knowledge is necessary. | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1570 Registered: 6-2005 |
Does the headline link being overweight with... a health problem? an action? an activity? an outcome? a trait? some monetary issue? something positive? something negative? | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 315 Registered: 2-2012 |
If this headline were to apply to an issue other than weight control, but phrased in the same way, would this puzzle still be valid? Does the headline imply any cause/effect relationship? Was the headline mis-printed (sorry if asked before)? Is anything about the article following the headline important? Is punctuation relevant? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8330 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beachbum (Beachbum) New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 315 Registered: 2-2012 Posted on Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 7:53 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) If this headline were to apply to an issue other than weight control, but phrased in the same way, would this puzzle still be valid?n/a Does the headline imply any cause/effect relationship? yes or yesish no Was the headline mis-printed (sorry if asked before)? Is anything about the article following the headline important?noish--the headline is BOUND to be false Is punctuation relevant? no | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 319 Registered: 2-2012 |
Did the headline say anything about the number, or the percentage, of people that where overweight in a given area? Is the obviously false part about how the percentage of overweight people could be changed? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8333 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beachbum (Beachbum) New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 319 Registered: 2-2012 Posted on Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 4:13 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the headline say anything about the number, or the percentage, of people that where overweight in a given area? no Is the obviously false part about how the percentage of overweight people could be changed? no | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 326 Registered: 2-2012 |
So statistics about overweight people are irrel? So that words like most", "many", "few",, and phrases like "on the rise", are are all irrel? I assume so but sometimes I like to get clarification... Does the headline refer to overweight people of a certain age? Does it not take into account overweight people of a certain age when it should have, and that's what makes it obviously false? Children relevant? Does it refer to other physical diseases? Attitudes of overweight people? Does it refer to how much overweight people eat? Does it refer to any other habits of overweight people? Does it refer to "acutely" overweight people? (I don't see how someone could have an acute case of being overweight) Isthe reason that the headline is false, is that it misuses a word or phrase, in the sense that the writer of the headline did not understand the meaning or the word or phrase? (as an example, some people use "literally" when they really mean "virtually", or "I could care less", when they really mean "I couldn't care less") | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8338 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beachbum (Beachbum) New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 326 Registered: 2-2012 Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 4:44 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) So statistics about overweight people are irrel?no, but they're not in the headline So that words like most", "many", "few",, and phrases like "on the rise", are are all irrel?Well, they're not in the headline I assume so but sometimes I like to get clarification... Does the headline refer to overweight people of a certain age? no Does it not take into account overweight people of a certain age when it should have, and that's what makes it obviously false? no Children relevant? no Does it refer to other physical diseases? no Attitudes of overweight people? no Does it refer to how much overweight people eat? no Does it refer to any other habits of overweight people? no Does it refer to "acutely" overweight people? (I don't see how someone could have an acute case of being overweight) no Isthe reason that the headline is false, is that it misuses a word or phrase yesish, in the sense that the writer of the headline did not understand the meaning or the word or phrase? noish (as an example, some people use "literally" when they really mean "virtually", or "I could care less", when they really mean "I couldn't care less") | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1639 Registered: 4-2007 |
Was the word 'average' used? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3292 Registered: 2-2011 |
did it claim there was a "cure"? did it claim the same thing for ALL overweight people? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8339 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1639 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 23, 2012 - 9:23 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the word 'average' used?no Shez (Shez) New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3292 Registered: 2-2011 Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 2:42 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) did it claim there was a "cure"?no did it claim the same thing for ALL overweight people?no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1640 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the exact word it used to refer to overweight people relevant? Did it use a euphemism? A colloquial term? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8340 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1640 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Friday, August 24, 2012 - 5:57 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the exact word it used to refer to overweight people relevant? yes Did it use a euphemism? noA colloquial term? no | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 333 Registered: 2-2012 |
(Ah, thanks Enjay - we have something to hook into here now.) Nimue, about the word used to refer to overweight people in the headline - could it be interpreted to refer to people that aren't overweight in the medical sense? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8341 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beachbum (Beachbum) New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 333 Registered: 2-2012 Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 3:33 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) (Ah, thanks Enjay - we have something to hook into here now.) Nimue, about the word used to refer to overweight people in the headline - could it be interpreted to refer to people that aren't overweight in the medical sense?yope | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1641 Registered: 4-2007 |
Is the relevant word an adjective? Noun? If so, singular? Plural? A phrase? Was the word 'people' used? Were any of the following words used: Overweight Obese Obesity Fat Fatter Large Larger Big Bigger Heavy Heavier | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8342 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1641 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Saturday, August 25, 2012 - 9:48 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Is the relevant word an adjective? Noun? If so, singular? Plural? A phrase? Was the word 'people' used? The relevant words are 'overweight' plus another word than could be an adjective or a noun Were any of the following words used:Just the word'overweight'itself!! Overweight Obese Obesity Fat Fatter Large Larger Big Bigger Heavy Heavier | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 336 Registered: 2-2012 |
Did the headline end with a question mark? How many words where in the headline.. Less than three? Less than four? Less than five ? less than seven? More? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8343 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beachbum (Beachbum) New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 336 Registered: 2-2012 Posted on Sunday, August 26, 2012 - 6:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did the headline end with a question mark? no How many words where in the headline.. Less than three? Less than four? Less than five ? less than seven? More? The headline could take various forms, so the exact number of words is irrel, except that it would have to be at least 4, I think | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 339 Registered: 2-2012 |
Was the headline intended to be a simple declarative statement or generalisation about overweight people? Did the headline make a statement in the present tense, which was obviously false? future tense? past tense? (Well Nimue, you always apologise about your puzzles being too easy, but this one, well, has some of us puzzled) | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8345 Registered: 8-2001 |
Beachbum (Beachbum) New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 339 Registered: 2-2012 Posted on Monday, August 27, 2012 - 5:30 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Was the headline intended to be a simple declarative statement yesor generalisation about overweight people? yesish Did the headline make a statement in the present tense, which was obviously false? yes future tense? no past tense? no (Well Nimue, you always apologise about your puzzles being too easy, but this one, well, has some of us puzzled) That's why it's called apuzzle!! | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1572 Registered: 6-2005 |
Missed my last set of questions. Does the headline link being overweight with... a health problem? an action? an activity? an outcome? a trait? some monetary issue? something positive? something negative? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8349 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1555 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Monday, August 13, 2012 - 11:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Ok... so can I rephrase your original puzzle statement to read "The headline of a news story about being overweight was obviously false. How come?" ? yes Does the falsehood have to do with the cause? noThe cure? no Or rather the methods of losing weight? no | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8350 Registered: 8-2001 |
Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1572 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 12:20 am: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Missed my last set of questions. Rectified, with my heartfelt & humble apologies. See above. Does the headline link being overweight with... a health problem? noish an action? no an activity? no an outcome? yes a trait? noish some monetary issue? no something positive? yes -- GOOOOOOOOD QUESTION!!!! something negative? no | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1647 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did it claim there was a physical health benefit to being overweight? A mental benefit? Did it claim something about the personality of overweight people? Their life expectancy? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8351 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1647 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 7:18 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did it claim there was a physical health benefit to being overweight? yes A mental benefit? no Did it claim something about the personality of overweight people? no Their life expectancy? yes. Here's a link to an article whose headline uses the phrase 'excess pounds' rather than 'overweight', but the point is the same. What's wrong with the headline?http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/health/26weight.html?_r=1&ref=health | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1649 Registered: 4-2007 |
The fact that you can't be 'not too overweight' - if you're overweight, by definition you weight too much? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8354 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1649 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 8:46 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The fact that you can't be 'not too overweight' - if you're overweight, by definition you weight too much?not quite, but you're VERY, VERY ORT (on the right track!!) | ||
| Enjay (Enjay)
New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1650 Registered: 4-2007 |
Did it overlook the fact that the health dangers of being overweight far outweigh (excuse the pun) the benefits? Is the point that if your weight is helping you live longer, you are not in fact overweight but actually the right weight? | ||
| Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet)
New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1579 Registered: 6-2005 |
The headline: Excess Pounds, but not Too many, may lead to Longer Life "Excess" by definition means "too much"? | ||
| Nimue (Nimue)
New member Username: Nimue Post Number: 8357 Registered: 8-2001 |
Enjay (Enjay) New member Username: Enjay Post Number: 1650 Registered: 4-2007 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 9:28 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) Did it overlook the fact that the health dangers of being overweight far outweigh (excuse the pun) the benefits? n/a Is the point that if your weight is helping you live longer, you are not in fact overweight but actually the right weight? yes Dlcygnet (Dlcygnet) New member Username: Dlcygnet Post Number: 1579 Registered: 6-2005 Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 9:33 pm: Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only) The headline: Excess Pounds, but not Too many, may lead to Longer Life "Excess" by definition means "too much"? yes **************** SPOILER *************** Enjay & Dicygnet have it just right!! A headline like "Excess Pounds Lead [or Overweight Leads] to Longer Life" has to be false. It should say something like "Weight Norms Have Been Set Too Low." Please set your minds on my new puzzle at the bottom of the page. | ||
| Beachbum (Beachbum)
New member Username: Beachbum Post Number: 357 Registered: 2-2012 |
Good puzzle - I knew be had to be some kind of logical fallacy along these lines, but I couldn't pin it down. I agree, Enjay and Dicygnet, good jobs. |
