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Posted on Monday, July 16, 2012 - 10:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The headline of a news story about health was obviously false. How come?
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Did the headline mention:
The results of research?
A specific disease or health problem?
Doctors?
Ways to improve your health?
Cures for illness?
Healthy eating?
Exercise?
Statistics about health?
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Did the headline mention:
The results of research? yes
Aspecific disease or health problem? yes
Doctors? no
Ways to improve your health? yes
Cures for illness? no
Healthy eating? noish
Exercise? no
Statistics about health? yesish
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was there a typo? or did the headline say exactly what the person writing it was intending to say? is it likely the person who wrote the headline thought it was true? was it one of those sentences that are true and false at the same time? was it essentially true, but could be interpreted in a way that made it false? April's fool?
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Did the headline imply something unintended by its author? Did it suggest that something impossible had been done? Achieving immortality? Did it misuse a word? Use a word that can mean more than one thing? Misrepresent some statistics or facts?
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was there a typo? no or did the headline say exactly what the person writing it was intending to say? yes is it likely the person who wrote the headline thought it was true? yes was it one of those sentences that are true and false at the same time? yope was it essentially true, but could be interpreted in a way that made it false? noish April's fool? no
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Did the headline imply something unintended by its author? no Did it suggest that something impossible had been done? no Achieving immortality? noDid it misuse a word? yesish Use a word that can mean more than one thing? yope Misrepresent some statistics or facts? yes
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Would most people recognize that this headline was false? Or only people with a certain degree of knowledge of medicine? Or something else?
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Would most people recognize that this headline was false? Maybe not most, but many would Or only people with a certain degree of knowledge of medicine? no Or something else?yesish--what's relevant is not knowledge but a certain sort of ability
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HINT: Find out what aspect of health the article deals with.
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Did the article deal with ..
.. a specific disease or medical condition? if so: a specific part of the body relevant?
.. a specific cure or treatment?
.. aspects of healthy life?
.. sports?
.. disease prevention?
.. clinical medicine?
.. emergency care?
.. after-surgery care?
.. hospital management?
.. medical insurance?
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Did the article deal with ..
.. a specific disease or medical condition? yesif so: a specific part of the body relevant? no
.. a specific cure or treatment? no
.. aspects of healthy life? yesish
.. sports? no
.. disease prevention? yope
.. clinical medicine? noish
.. emergency care? no
.. after-surgery care? no
.. hospital management? no
.. medical insurance? no
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A disease that affects the whole body? that can affect any part of the body?
an infectuous disease?
a genetic disorder?
a mental disease?
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A disease that affects the whole body? yesishthat can affect any part of the body? see previous answer
an infectuous disease? no
a genetic disorder? no

a mental disease? no
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Cancer? Things that cause it? Things that cure it?
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Cancer? noThings that cause it? no Things that cure it? no
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a skin disease? blood? bone?

mental health?

anaemia? diabetes?
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a skin disease? noblood? nobone? no

mental health? no

anaemia? nodiabetes? no
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Does the disease affect muscles? blood? blood vessels? nerve cells? heart? lung? liver? the digestive system? the brain?
Is the disease caused by trauma? physical or emotional stress? contact with some substances? parasites? Is the cause of the disease largely unknown?
Alzheimer? Parkinson? Tinnitus?
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Does the disease affect muscles? blood? blood vessels? nerve cells? heart? lung? liver? the digestive system? the brain? can affect anything but (HINT), it's not usually called a disease
Is the disease caused by trauma? no physical very rarely or emotional somrtimesstress? contact with some substances? yesishparasites? Is the cause of the disease largely unknown? yope no
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BELOW IS A CORRECTED VERSION OF THE END OF THE PREVIOUS POSTING

Is the disease caused by trauma? no physical very rarely or emotional sometimes stress? contact with some substances? yesishparasites? no Is the cause of the disease largely unknown? opinions vary
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Are people born with it? Can it be cured? Is there any debate about whether it exists at all? Would it be more usually referred to as a condition? A problem? A difficulty? Is it caused by bacteria? Viruses? Can animals experience it?
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Are people born with it? very rarely if ever Can it be cured?I think so, but that's debatable Is there any debate about whether it exists at all? noWould it be more usually referred to as a condition? see next answer A problem? yesA difficulty? 'problem' is best Is it caused by bacteria? no Viruses? noCan animals experience it? some can & some can't
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Do people with this problem lack something that most people have? Have something extra? Does it affect movement? Speech? Are old people more likely to develop it? Will most people experience it at some time?
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Do people with this problem lack something that most people have?see next answer Have something extra? This is the most natural way to put it Does it affect movement? possibly but not necessarily Speech? noAre old people more likely to develop it? no Will most people experience it at some time? In America, probably. Worldwide, probably not
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Obesity?
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Obesity? not quite, but you're VERY ORT
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Being overweight? Larger than average? Underweight? Swollen?
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High blood pressure? High cholesterol? Being generally unfit? Diabetes?
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Is there a dispute whether this condition should be considered a disease at all? whether it should be cured? terms like "disease mongering" or "blood parameter cosmetics" relevant?
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Being overweight? yesLarger than average?see previous answer Underweight? no Swollen? see first answer in this series
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High blood pressure? High cholesterol? Being generally unfit? Diabetes? It's being overweight. See above
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Is there a dispute whether this condition should be considered a disease at all?yes whether it should be cured?sometimes terms like "disease mongering" or "blood parameter cosmetics" relevant? no
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Ok... so can I rephrase your original puzzle statement to read "The headline of a news story about being overweight was obviously false. How come?" ?

Does the falsehood have to do with the cause? The cure? Or rather the methods of losing weight?
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Was the headline false because what it stated was only true for developed countries?
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Ok... so can I rephrase your original puzzle statement to read "The headline of a news story about being overweight was obviously false. How come?" ? yes

Does the falsehood have to do with the cause? no The cure? no Or rather the methods of losing weight? no
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Was the headline false because what it stated was only true for developed countries? no
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Did the news story link being overweight (obesity?) to another problem? I.e. Sleep apnea?
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And just because: Is obesity known to the state of California to cause cancer?
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Did the news story link being overweight (obesity?) to another problem? noI.e. Sleep apnea? no
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And just because: Is obesity known to the state of California to cause cancer? noooooooo
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Recap please Nimue? (hello there, I am back =) I hope you are faring well and have had plenty of chocolate =D)
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Recap please Nimue? Add the following to the puzzle statement: The article is about being overweight & the headline mentions overweight(hello there, I am back Welcome back!!) I hope you are faring well and have had plenty of chocolate =D) And so in likewise to you
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Is the headline more of a generic observation? statement? I.e. Overweight people lead happier lives. Or are jollier.
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Is the headline more of a generic observation? yope statement? yope I.e. Overweight people lead happier lives. Or are jollier. Neither of these. HINT: It's something that ANY REASONABLY ACUTE READER would realize is false: no background knowledge is necessary.
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Does the headline link being overweight with...

a health problem?
an action?
an activity?
an outcome?
a trait?
some monetary issue?
something positive?
something negative?
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If this headline were to apply to an issue other than weight control, but phrased in the same way, would this puzzle still be valid?

Does the headline imply any cause/effect relationship?

Was the headline mis-printed (sorry if asked before)?

Is anything about the article following the headline important?

Is punctuation relevant?
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If this headline were to apply to an issue other than weight control, but phrased in the same way, would this puzzle still be valid?n/a

Does the headline imply any cause/effect relationship? yes or yesish no

Was the headline mis-printed (sorry if asked before)?

Is anything about the article following the headline important?noish--the headline is BOUND to be false

Is punctuation relevant? no
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Did the headline say anything about the number, or the percentage, of people that where overweight in a given area?

Is the obviously false part about how the percentage of overweight people could be changed?
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Did the headline say anything about the number, or the percentage, of people that where overweight in a given area? no

Is the obviously false part about how the percentage of overweight people could be changed? no
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So statistics about overweight people are irrel? So that words like most", "many", "few",, and phrases like "on the rise", are are all irrel? I assume so but sometimes I like to get clarification...

Does the headline refer to overweight people of a certain age?

Does it not take into account overweight people of a certain age when it should have, and that's what makes it obviously false?

Children relevant?

Does it refer to other physical diseases?
Attitudes of overweight people?

Does it refer to how much overweight people eat?

Does it refer to any other habits of overweight people?

Does it refer to "acutely" overweight people? (I don't see how someone could have an acute case of being overweight)

Isthe reason that the headline is false, is that it misuses a word or phrase, in the sense that the writer of the headline did not understand the meaning or the word or phrase? (as an example, some people use "literally" when they really mean "virtually", or "I could care less", when they really mean "I couldn't care less")
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So statistics about overweight people are irrel?no, but they're not in the headline So that words like most", "many", "few",, and phrases like "on the rise", are are all irrel?Well, they're not in the headline I assume so but sometimes I like to get clarification...

Does the headline refer to overweight people of a certain age? no

Does it not take into account overweight people of a certain age when it should have, and that's what makes it obviously false? no

Children relevant? no

Does it refer to other physical diseases? no
Attitudes of overweight people? no

Does it refer to how much overweight people eat? no

Does it refer to any other habits of overweight people? no

Does it refer to "acutely" overweight people? (I don't see how someone could have an acute case of being overweight) no

Isthe reason that the headline is false, is that it misuses a word or phrase yesish, in the sense that the writer of the headline did not understand the meaning or the word or phrase? noish (as an example, some people use "literally" when they really mean "virtually", or "I could care less", when they really mean "I couldn't care less")
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Was the word 'average' used?
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did it claim there was a "cure"?

did it claim the same thing for ALL overweight people?
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Was the word 'average' used?no
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did it claim there was a "cure"?no

did it claim the same thing for ALL overweight people?no
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Is the exact word it used to refer to overweight people relevant? Did it use a euphemism? A colloquial term?
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Is the exact word it used to refer to overweight people relevant? yes Did it use a euphemism? noA colloquial term? no
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(Ah, thanks Enjay - we have something to hook into here now.)

Nimue, about the word used to refer to overweight people in the headline - could it be interpreted to refer to people that aren't overweight in the medical sense?
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(Ah, thanks Enjay - we have something to hook into here now.)

Nimue, about the word used to refer to overweight people in the headline - could it be interpreted to refer to people that aren't overweight in the medical sense?yope
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Is the relevant word an adjective? Noun? If so, singular? Plural? A phrase? Was the word 'people' used?

Were any of the following words used:
Overweight
Obese
Obesity
Fat
Fatter
Large
Larger
Big
Bigger
Heavy
Heavier
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Is the relevant word an adjective? Noun? If so, singular? Plural? A phrase? Was the word 'people' used? The relevant words are 'overweight' plus another word than could be an adjective or a noun

Were any of the following words used:Just the word'overweight'itself!!
Overweight
Obese
Obesity
Fat
Fatter
Large
Larger
Big
Bigger
Heavy
Heavier
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Did the headline end with a question mark?
How many words where in the headline.. Less than three? Less than four? Less than five ? less than seven? More?
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Did the headline end with a question mark? no
How many words where in the headline.. Less than three? Less than four? Less than five ? less than seven? More? The headline could take various forms, so the exact number of words is irrel, except that it would have to be at least 4, I think
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Was the headline intended to be a simple declarative statement or generalisation about overweight people?

Did the headline make a statement in the present tense, which was obviously false? future tense? past tense?

(Well Nimue, you always apologise about your puzzles being too easy, but this one, well, has some of us puzzled)
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Was the headline intended to be a simple declarative statement yesor generalisation about overweight people? yesish

Did the headline make a statement in the present tense, which was obviously false? yes future tense? no past tense? no

(Well Nimue, you always apologise about your puzzles being too easy, but this one, well, has some of us puzzled) That's why it's called apuzzle!!
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Missed my last set of questions.

Does the headline link being overweight with...

a health problem?
an action?
an activity?
an outcome?
a trait?
some monetary issue?
something positive?
something negative?
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Ok... so can I rephrase your original puzzle statement to read "The headline of a news story about being overweight was obviously false. How come?" ? yes

Does the falsehood have to do with the cause? noThe cure? no Or rather the methods of losing weight? no
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Missed my last set of questions. Rectified, with my heartfelt & humble apologies. See above.

Does the headline link being overweight with...

a health problem? noish
an action? no
an activity? no
an outcome? yes
a trait? noish
some monetary issue? no
something positive? yes -- GOOOOOOOOD QUESTION!!!!
something negative? no
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Did it claim there was a physical health benefit to being overweight? A mental benefit? Did it claim something about the personality of overweight people? Their life expectancy?
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Did it claim there was a physical health benefit to being overweight? yes A mental benefit? no Did it claim something about the personality of overweight people? no Their life expectancy? yes. Here's a link to an article whose headline uses the phrase 'excess pounds' rather than 'overweight', but the point is the same. What's wrong with the headline?http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/26/health/26weight.html?_r=1&ref=health
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The fact that you can't be 'not too overweight' - if you're overweight, by definition you weight too much?
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The fact that you can't be 'not too overweight' - if you're overweight, by definition you weight too much?not quite, but you're VERY, VERY ORT (on the right track!!)
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Did it overlook the fact that the health dangers of being overweight far outweigh (excuse the pun) the benefits?

Is the point that if your weight is helping you live longer, you are not in fact overweight but actually the right weight?
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The headline: Excess Pounds, but not Too many, may lead to Longer Life

"Excess" by definition means "too much"?
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Did it overlook the fact that the health dangers of being overweight far outweigh (excuse the pun) the benefits? n/a

Is the point that if your weight is helping you live longer, you are not in fact overweight but actually the right weight? yes
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The headline: Excess Pounds, but not Too many, may lead to Longer Life

"Excess" by definition means "too much"? yes

**************** SPOILER ***************
Enjay & Dicygnet have it just right!! A headline like "Excess Pounds Lead [or Overweight Leads] to Longer Life" has to be false. It should say something like "Weight Norms Have Been Set Too Low." Please set your minds on my new puzzle at the bottom of the page.
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Good puzzle - I knew be had to be some kind of logical fallacy along these lines, but I couldn't pin it down. I agree, Enjay and Dicygnet, good jobs.

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