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Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 6:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If I can consider myself young by a certain standard, I could save myself about $65. How?
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Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 7:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Young - in actual age? Appearance? Attitude? Young by comparison to something else older? Is your actual age relevant?

Is this a situation where there are different prices for something depending on the age of the buyer? Would you save money by paying less for something you would have paid for anyway? By not having to pay for something you would otherwise have had to pay for?
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Posted on Saturday, November 03, 2012 - 8:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Young - in actual age? Appearance? Yope; No to rest Attitude? Young by comparison to something else older? Yesish Is your actual age relevant? No

Is this a situation where there are different prices for something depending on the age of the buyer? Yope Would you save money by paying less for something you would have paid for anyway? No By not having to pay for something you would otherwise have had to pay for? Yope
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Posted on Monday, November 05, 2012 - 3:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would saving $65 mean to pay $65 less? to avoid paying $65? to avoid buying something that costs $65 and that you now have to buy? avoid losing $65? something else?
Are the $65 a fee? a price of a (tangible) good? a price of a service or intangible good? a tax?
Betting (or gambling) relevant?
You wrote, if you could consider yourself younger. -- does it depend on you whether you're young enough to save the $65?
Relevant how much younger? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years?
Physical attributes relevant? Body height? weight? girth? shoe size?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Monday, November 05, 2012 - 4:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would saving $65 mean to pay $65 less? This, slight -ish to avoid paying $65? to avoid buying something that costs $65 and that you now have to buy? avoid losing $65? something else?
Are the $65 a fee? a price of a (tangible) good? This a price of a service or intangible good? a tax?
Betting (or gambling) relevant? No
You wrote, if you could consider yourself younger. -- does it depend on you whether you're young enough to save the $65? No
Relevant how much younger? 1 year? 5 years? 10 years? No, this isn't measured in years
Physical attributes relevant? Yes Body height? weight? girth? All of these somewhat shoe size? No, but OTRT
Sundowner (Sundowner)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - 8:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

size in general relevant? clothing size? hat size? gloves size?
is the relevant item sports equipment? if so: any kind of protective gear for: hockey? lacrosse? baseball?
Is the item less expensive in children's sizes?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - 12:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

size in general relevant? clothing size? Yes; more specifically, shirt size hat size? gloves size?
is the relevant item sports equipment? Yes if so: any kind of protective gear No for: hockey? lacrosse? baseball? No to these
Is the item less expensive in children's sizes? Yes
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - 6:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Knowing that you're rather short, I have to ask - would the item fit you in children's size?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 - 8:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Knowing that you're rather short, I have to ask - would the item fit you in children's size? It might; I don't know if it will. Hence the "if" and "could" in the puzzle statement.
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Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 12:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a team shirt? Were you required to buy it as a member of the team? was it impossible to buy the shirt in a children's size because those who were selling it knew that you're not a child?
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Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 1:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the shirt have any relevant sponsor's logo on it?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 - 2:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it a team shirt? Well, it's a team's jersey Were you required to buy it as a member of the team? No, I am not a member. It is a pro football team was it impossible to buy the shirt in a children's size because those who were selling it knew that you're not a child? No

Did the shirt have any relevant sponsor's logo on it? No
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Have you actually bought the shirt? If so, at a store? online? relevant?
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Posted on Friday, November 09, 2012 - 5:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have you actually bought the shirt? No, and I don't know if I will buy it. This is a hypothetical purchase If so, at a store? online? This relevant? Yes
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Posted on Friday, November 09, 2012 - 9:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know in the UK children's clothes are much cheaper because there is no VAT on them, is something like this relevant? Is the relevant issue whether you buy an adult or a child's version of the jersey? Is the child's $65 cheaper?
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Posted on Friday, November 09, 2012 - 10:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I know in the UK children's clothes are much cheaper because there is no VAT on them, is something like this relevant? I have no idea about VAT, but something like that Is the relevant issue whether you buy an adult or a child's version of the jersey? That's most of it; see below Is the child's $65 cheaper? See below

Normally, youth jerseys are $35 cheaper than adult. Why $65 this time?
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Posted on Friday, November 09, 2012 - 10:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the cost of delivery relevant? Would the jersey be the only thing you bought? Is there some kind of buy one get one free deal or similar? Do you have some kind of voucher that could only be used on the youth jersey?
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Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 1:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the cost of delivery relevant? No Would the jersey be the only thing you bought? Yes Is there some kind of buy one get one free deal or similar? No Do you have some kind of voucher that could only be used on the youth jersey? No
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Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 10:50 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the youth jersey actually $65 cheaper this time? Or would getting the youth one somehow enable you to save another $30 elsewhere? Is the youth one on sale? Is the adult one more expensive than usual?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 12:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the youth jersey actually $65 cheaper this time? Or would getting the youth one somehow enable you to save another $30 elsewhere? Is the youth one on sale? Is the adult one more expensive than usual? This...
Enjay (Enjay)
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Was there something special about the adult one? Had the website sold out of standard ones? Was it signed? Made of a different material? Of a different design? Was it identical to the youth one except for size?
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Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 1:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there something special about the adult one? Yes Had the website sold out of standard ones? No, but... Was it signed? No Made of a different material? No Of a different design? No Was it identical to the youth one except for size? Yes, but...
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Are there different sizes available of adult jersey? Relevant? Different sizes of junior jersey? Relevant? Was there a kind of adult jersey that cost $35, and another kind that cost $65 more, and for some reason you would have had to buy the second one?
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Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 2:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are there different sizes available of adult jersey? Yes Relevant? No Different sizes of junior jersey? Yes Relevant? No
Was there a kind of adult jersey that cost $35, and another kind that cost $65 more, and for some reason you would have had to buy the second one? Yes, emphasis on "kind"

HINT: The last detail would only work on jerseys. It wouldn't work with, say, normal T-shirts.
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Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 5:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK...I'm not completely sure I know what a jersey is, it's not a term we use here. Are we talking about a replica of the shirt worn by players in the team? Or a shirt you wear to show you support that team?
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Saturday, November 10, 2012 - 11:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK...I'm not completely sure I know what a jersey is, it's not a term we use here. Are we talking about a replica of the shirt worn by players in the team? This Or a shirt you wear to show you support that team?
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Is any of the following relevant:
The material the jersey is made of? The number? The name on the back? The team logo? The team name? The colors? A special event logo/symbol/etc.? The overall design/pattern of the jersey? Is it commemorative/throwback jersey?
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Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 1:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is any of the following relevant:
The number? The name on the back? These 2, No to rest
The team logo? The material the jersey is made of? The team name? The colors? A special event logo/symbol/etc.? The overall design/pattern of the jersey? Is it commemorative/throwback jersey? Good guess on the throwbacks though.
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Are the jerseys available with a choice of names/numbers on the back? Are certain names more expensive? Are these the only ones left? Or do you want a particular name? Which would be more expensive? Are they the names of players? Or would you get your own name on the back?
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Do any of the relevant names/numbers involved belong to a new player? To a player who no longer plays for the team? To a player who has recently broken/is about to break a record? To a player who has recently met/is about to meet a major benchmark? To an unpopular player? Are any of them retired jerseys?
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Are the jerseys available with a choice of names/numbers on the back? Yes Are certain names more expensive? Are these the only ones left? No Or do you want a particular name? Yes Which would be more expensive? Yes Are they the names of players? It is a player's name Or would you get your own name on the back? No, but this is ALMOST the solution

Do any of the relevant names/numbers involved belong to a new player? Yes, and this is somewhat relevant To a player who no longer plays for the team? No To a player who has recently broken/is about to break a record? No To a player who has recently met/is about to meet a major benchmark? No To an unpopular player? Not unpopular, but definitely lesser-known Are any of them retired jerseys? No

You are ALMOST at the solution.
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Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 9:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the player's name you want available on both adult and child jerseys? Is the ability to add your own name available for adults? Children? Would you buy a child's jersey and personalise it with the name of the player you like, thus saving money over buying the adult jersey with the player's name?
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Is the player's name you want available on both adult and child jerseys? NO! Is the ability to add your own name available for adults? YES! Children? Irrel Would you buy a child's jersey and personalise it with the name of the player you like, thus saving money over buying the adult jersey with the player's name? No...
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Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 10:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the player's name that you want NOT available in the adult size? Because he's too new/not well enough known to warrant a mass produced jersey? But instead of personalizing an adult jersey with your own name, could you personalize it with that lesser known player's name? Costing more because it's personalized?
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Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 10:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the player's name that you want NOT available in the adult size? Because he's too new/not well enough known to warrant a mass produced jersey? But instead of personalizing an adult jersey with your own name, could you personalize it with that lesser known player's name? Costing more because it's personalized? Yes to all.

****SPOILER****

If I were to buy another football jersey, it would probably be of Patriots safety/special teamer Nate Ebner. Ebner is a lesser-known player, so if I were to order a jersey, I would have to get it customized with his name and number. However, ESPN's website has jerseys of almost EVERY NFL player, including Ebner, but only in youth sizes. So if I can fit into a youth XL jersey (which might be possible), I could buy a youth jersey for $70 instead of a customized adult jersey for $135.

Nice solve, Enjay and Noel. New puzzle as soon as I remember the one I wanted to post.
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Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 10:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry, one more: is the name already available on children's jerseys?

As an aside, if you really are considering purchasing a child's jersey:
children's XL = adult M
children's L = adult S
except that the children's sizes are shorter in overall length and have shorter sleeves than the corresponding adult sizes.
Usually, anyway. I'm sure there are brands with weird sizing that are exceptions, but in my experience, this has been the case.
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Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 10:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

oops, too slow on the last question. I guess you didn't need it, anyway.

Nice puzzle.
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Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2012 - 11:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Noel: It's an "if." I usually take an adult medium jersey, but I know the size differences.

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