| Author | Message | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1737 Registered: 1-2011 |
My mother asked me to do something. Her ask tells much good about her. However, if she had paid a little attention to this situation, she wouldn't have been ridiculous. What's going on? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3279 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is this a recent situation? Or did it occur when you were a teenager? child? toddler? Did she ask you to go somewhere? to take something somewhere? to buy something? to do a household chore? to repair something? to write something? Are you and your mother the only relevant people? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1740 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Is this a recent situation? Yes. Or did it occur when you were a teenager? child? toddler? Did she ask you to go somewhere? Yes. to take something somewhere? And yes. to buy something? No to the rest. to do a household chore? to repair something? to write something? Are you and your mother the only relevant people? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5032 Registered: 9-2009 |
Was the thing to be: left somewhere? Taken back afterwards? Were you already going to go to this place? Or somewhere else? If so, anywhere near this place? Did she misunderstand something? Miss something? Could you have done what she asked? Did you do it? Relevant: how she thought you'd get there? When? How long it would take? How much it would cost? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1743 Registered: 1-2011 |
Galfisk: Was the thing to be: left somewhere? Yes. Taken back afterwards? Were you already going to go to this place? No. Or somewhere else? Yes. If so, anywhere near this place? Yes. Did she misunderstand something? No. Miss something? No. Could you have done what she asked? Yes. Did you do it? I am going to achieve the result she wants. Relevant: how she thought you'd get there? Yes. When? Irr. How long it would take? No. How much it would cost? The cost of my travel is irr. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5034 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did she think you would: walk? Bicycle? Motorbike? Drive? Take the: subway? Bus? Train? Airplane? Catch a ride with someone else? Hitchhike? If you were not going by the method she thought, will you go by [list of transports above]? Will you bring the object with you? Is the object money? Information? Will you email something? Or make a bank transfer? Phones relevant? Other methods of communication except travel? | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3280 Registered: 12-2010 |
Did she want you to take the object to someone else? If so, H/A/M? F? A friend of your mum? A relative? Or did she want you to take it to an office/company? (e.g. post office) Was it waste? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1744 Registered: 1-2011 |
Galfisk: Did she think you would: walk? Bicycle? Motorbike? Drive? Take the: subway? Bus? Train? Airplane? Catch a ride with someone else? Hitchhike? I am going by train and my mother knows about it. If you were not going by the method she thought, will you go by [list of transports above]? Will you bring the object with you? No. Is the object money? NO. Information? No. Will you email something? No. Or make a bank transfer? NO. Phones relevant? No. Other methods of communication except travel? No. Doriana: Did she want you to take the object to someone else? Yes. If so, H/A/M? F? HAF, my mother's cousin. A friend of your mum? A relative? Or did she want you to take it to an office/company? (e.g. post office) No. Was it waste? No. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3302 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the object something your mum bought for your aunt? Something she made for her? Something she had borrowed from her? Is it edible? Does your mum expect anything back? If so, money? Another object? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1749 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Is the object something your mum bought for your aunt? Yes, but may mislead. And hopefully my mother hasn't bought it yet. Something she made for her? No. Something she had borrowed from her? No. Is it edible? No. Does your mum expect anything back? Noish. If so, money? Another object? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5046 Registered: 9-2009 |
Did she want to buy it and give it to you? Will you take the money with you instead and buy the object when you arrive? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1750 Registered: 1-2011 |
Galfisk: Did she want to buy it and give it to you? Yes. Will you take the money with you instead and buy the object when you arrive? Yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5047 Registered: 9-2009 |
Do we need to find out: what "it" is? Why it was ridiculous to expect you to take it on the train? Or will that be obvious once we find out? Is it: heavy? Cumbersome? Big? Perishable? Fragile? Expensive? Was taking the money much easier? Did taking the money save money? Was it a gift for your aunt? Is the good thing about her that she wanted to give a gift to your aunt? Is it a thoughtful gift? Does your aunt really need it? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1751 Registered: 1-2011 |
Galfisk: Do we need to find out: what "it" is? Yes and also why it should be given to my aunt. Why it was ridiculous to expect you to take it on the train? Or will that be obvious once we find out? I think it will be obvious. Is it: heavy? Not so much, but it's considerable weight for me. Cumbersome? Yes. Big? Quite. Perishable? No. Fragile? No. Expensive? No. Was taking the money much easier? Yes but there is more to it. Did taking the money save money? No. Was it a gift for your aunt? No. Is the good thing about her that she wanted to give a gift to your aunt? So no.Is it a thoughtful gift? So no. Does your aunt really need it? Yes. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5060 Registered: 9-2009 |
Does your mom expect to get anything back from your aunt? Or did she get something before? Relevant? Is the object: handmade? Mass-produced? Made from: food? Plant? Animal? Wood? Plastic? Metal? Glass? Ceramic? Wool/hair? Rubber? Leather? Fabric? Is it electrical? Is it a container? Clothing? Will the thing you buy be identical to the thing your mom would've bought? Relevant? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1753 Registered: 1-2011 |
Galfisk: Does your mom expect to get anything back from your aunt? Noish. Or did she get something before? Noish. Relevant? Yes. Is the object: handmade? Mass-produced? This. Made from: food? Plant? Animal? Wood? Plastic? Partly this, but the most important material is none of the ones you mentioned. Metal? Glass? Ceramic? Wool/hair? And a little bit of this. Rubber? Leather? Fabric? Is it electrical? No. Is it a container? No. Clothing? No. Will the thing you buy be identical to the thing your mom would've bought? Yes. Relevant? Only to the fact that it can be easily obtained almost everywhere. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3304 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is there a specific reason why your aunt can't buy it herself? Does she have a relevant illness or disability? Is it an object that is usually found outdoors? indoors? If indoors, living room? bedroom? kitchen? bathroom? study? hallway? closet? garage? Is it furniture? | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5061 Registered: 9-2009 |
Material: stone? Water? Mineral? Liquid? Paste? Gas? Manmade material? Natural? Bone? Horn? Paper? Cardboard? | ||
| Deholmes (Deholmes)
New member Username: Deholmes Post Number: 194 Registered: 11-2012 |
Does the object have hair like the tail of a lamb or the mane of a horse? Is it a stone image? of an animal? a person? other? | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3732 Registered: 2-2011 |
glass? | ||
| Liquizt (Liquizt)
New member Username: Liquizt Post Number: 754 Registered: 5-2008 |
Would you have been able to have gotten it on to the train? and off again? through ticket gates? Would you have got strange looks if you took it on the train? Would it be perceived as dangerous to have taken it on the train? as a potential weapon? Would there have been a risk of it breaking during the journey? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1756 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Is there a specific reason why your aunt can't buy it herself? No and FA. Does she have a relevant illness or disability? No. Is it an object that is usually found outdoors? Yes. indoors? If indoors, living room? bedroom? kitchen? bathroom? study? hallway? closet? garage? Is it furniture? No. Galfisk: Material: stone? Water? Mineral? Liquid? Paste? Gas? Manmade material? Can be. Natural? Can be. Bone? Horn? Paper? Cardboard? No to the rest. Deholmes: Does the object have hair like the tail of a lamb or the mane of a horse? Is it a stone image? of an animal? a person? other? No to all. Shez: glass? No. Liquizt: Would you have been able to have gotten it on to the train? and off again? through ticket gates? Yes to all. Would you have got strange looks if you took it on the train? No. Would it be perceived as dangerous to have taken it on the train? as a potential weapon? No. Would there have been a risk of it breaking during the journey? No. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5088 Registered: 9-2009 |
Has your aunt bought one herself? Did your mom break it? Lose it? Is she now replacing it? Material: glue? Fiber? Feathers? Fluff? Powder? Foam? Soap/detergent? Is your mom's profession relevant? Your aunt's? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1766 Registered: 1-2011 |
Galfisk: Has your aunt bought one herself? Yes. Not one, but many. Did your mom break it? No. Lose it? No. Is she now replacing it? Yesish. Material: glue? Fiber? Feathers? Fluff? Powder? Foam? Soap/detergent? No to these. Is your mom's profession relevant? Your aunt's? Neither. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5093 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it a consumable? Did your mother use it up? Or use some of it? Or wear it out? Can it be called a substance? Is it mechanical? Electrical? Chemical? Medicine? Did this kind of thing exist: ten years ago? 50? 100? 350? Is it big in: one dimension? Two dimensions? All three? Will you buy an identical one to the one your mom would've bought? Or just close enough? Relevant? Material: dirt? Manure? Straw? Grass? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1776 Registered: 1-2011 |
Galfisk: Is it a consumable? Only in the meaning that it can be used up. Did your mother use it up? Yope. Or use some of it? Yope. Or wear it out? No. Can it be called a substance? No. Is it mechanical? No. Electrical? No. Chemical? This is closest. Medicine? No. Did this kind of thing exist: ten years ago? 50? 100? 350? Yes to all. Is it big in: one dimension? Two dimensions? All three? When you need one, it is not big. I needed a pack of them, which can be either big in two dimensions or "less big" in all three - depends how packed. Will you buy an identical one to the one your mom would've bought? I completed this dangerous mission in the weekend and I bought very similar to those my mother would've bought. I am not sure if they were identical. Or just close enough? Relevant? Material: dirt? Manure? Straw? Grass? No to these. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5099 Registered: 9-2009 |
Dye? String? Is it on a roll? In a bottle? On a spool? In a can? Is it bought in a grocery store? Garden store? Is it used in the garden? Is it used for cleaning something? Painting something? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1778 Registered: 1-2011 |
Galfisk: Dye? No. String? No. Is it on a roll? No. In a bottle? No, but closer. On a spool? No. In a can? No, but closer. Is it bought in a grocery store? No, at least not usually. Garden store? Sometimes, but again, it's not typical place to find it. Is it used in the garden? No. Is it used for cleaning something? No. Painting something? No. | ||
| Shez (Shez)
New member Username: Shez Post Number: 3743 Registered: 2-2011 |
is it in a jar? in a tube? is it medicinal? edible? does your aunt usually use it in large quantities? or does she need it now for a particular reason? is it fuel? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1782 Registered: 1-2011 |
Shez: is it in a jar? in a tube? In a plastic container similar to a jar. is it medicinal? edible? No to both. does your aunt usually use it in large quantities? In considerable quantities, yes. or does she need it now for a particular reason? No. is it fuel? Strictly speaking, it could be called fuel, but it would be misleading. | ||
| Galfisk (Galfisk)
New member Username: Galfisk Post Number: 5106 Registered: 9-2009 |
Is it wax? Candles? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1786 Registered: 1-2011 |
Galfisk: Is it wax? Candles? Yes. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3351 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are they grave candles? If so, did someone die recently? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1789 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Are they grave candles? Yes. If so, did someone die recently? No. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3352 Registered: 12-2010 |
Are they meant for a specific grave? Of a relative? Let me try to recap it - Your mum knew you were going someplace near her cousin's place by train. She wanted you to take along grave candles and give them to her cousin. Instead, you took the money. You bought them at your destination and gave them to her. Correct so far? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1791 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Are they meant for a specific grave? Yes. Of a relative? Yes. Let me try to recap it - Your mum knew you were going someplace near her cousin's place by train. She wanted you to take along grave candles and give them to her cousin. Instead, you took the money. You bought them at your destination and gave them to her. Correct so far? Yes, all correct. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3354 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does your mother want her cousin to light the candles on her behalf? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1792 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Does your mother want her cousin to light the candles on her behalf? Yes... | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3357 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the "much good" that her request tells about her that she keeps the deceased person in her memory? Relevant who exactly the deceased person is? Your mum's mother? father? her cousin's mother? father? Relevant how long s/he has been dead? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1793 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Is the "much good" that her request tells about her that she keeps the deceased person in her memory? Yes, but it's not all. Relevant who exactly the deceased person is? Not really... Your mum's mother? father? But it is my mother's father. her cousin's mother? father? Relevant how long s/he has been dead? Somehow, it is relevant that it is not a recent matter. My grandfather died in 1983. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3359 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is it relevant that she still keeps him in her memory after 30 years? The 30th anniversary of his death relevant? Is he buried in the town where your mum grew up? Does her cousin still live there? Does your mum live far away? Does she have the opportunity to visit the grave on a regular basis? Does she, by having her cousin light the candles, want to show that even if she's not physically there, her thoughts are there? Is the candle actually placed at his grave? Relevant? (I'm asking because for my grandfather, we have two, one at home and one in the graveyard) | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1795 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Is it relevant that she still keeps him in her memory after 30 years? That's part of it, yes... The 30th anniversary of his death relevant? No. Is he buried in the town where your mum grew up? Yes. Does her cousin still live there? Yes. Does your mum live far away? Yes. Does she have the opportunity to visit the grave on a regular basis? No. Does she, by having her cousin light the candles, want to show that even if she's not physically there, her thoughts are there? Yes. Is the candle actually placed at his grave? Possibly, but... Relevant? Somehow.(I'm asking because for my grandfather, we have two, one at home and one in the graveyard) There is no such situation here. We're almost there. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3360 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the other part of the good thing that she trusts your aunt to actually light the candles? | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1797 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Is the other part of the good thing that she trusts your aunt to actually light the candles? No. My aunt does light candles on my grandfather's grave. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3370 Registered: 12-2010 |
Does your mother want her cousin to do anything else? Pray at the grave? Take care of the grave (flowers etc.)? Is it relevant that your mum pays for the candles herself instead of just asking her cousin to buy and light candles? Does she have her cousin light candles regularly? Is the grave a regular grave in a regular graveyard? Is the grave still actually there? (In some graveyards, graves "expire" after 20 years or so unless you pay for them, so maybe the spot has someone else's grave now, but your mum wants to have candles there nonetheless) | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1800 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Does your mother want her cousin to do anything else? See below. Pray at the grave? Aunt does it anyway. Take care of the grave (flowers etc.)? Only at special occasions. Is it relevant that your mum pays for the candles herself instead of just asking her cousin to buy and light candles? Yes. Does she have her cousin light candles regularly? Yes. Is the grave a regular grave in a regular graveyard? Is the grave still actually there? Yes to both, irrelevant. (In some graveyards, graves "expire" after 20 years or so unless you pay for them, so maybe the spot has someone else's grave now, but your mum wants to have candles there nonetheless) | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3372 Registered: 12-2010 |
Is the "good thing" that she pays for the candles herself? Somehow, I feel a bit stuck... | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1802 Registered: 1-2011 |
Is the "good thing" that she pays for the candles herself? YES. Somehow, I feel a bit stuck... In fact, now you know everything, just need to put it together. | ||
| Doriana (Doriana)
New member Username: Doriana Post Number: 3373 Registered: 12-2010 |
Ok, let me try to put it all together, using my earlier recap. Your mum knew you were going someplace near her cousin's place by train. She wanted you to take along grave candles and give them to her cousin because her cousin regularly lights candles at your grandfather's grave on your mum's behalf. The idea was ridiculous because you would have had to carry the candles all the way there, when in fact you could easily buy grave candles at your destination. So you took the money instead, bought the candles at your destination and gave them to your aunt. Your mum's request shows two good things about her, a) that she still keeps her father in memory after 30 years and b) that she is not a cheapskate and pays for the candles herself instead of asking her cousin to pay for them. | ||
| Redwine (Redwine)
New member Username: Redwine Post Number: 1803 Registered: 1-2011 |
Doriana: Your mum knew you were going someplace near her cousin's place by train. She wanted you to take along grave candles and give them to her cousin because her cousin regularly lights candles at your grandfather's grave on your mum's behalf. The idea was ridiculous because you would have had to carry the candles all the way there, when in fact you could easily buy grave candles at your destination. So you took the money instead, bought the candles at your destination and gave them to your aunt. Your mum's request shows two good things about her, a) that she still keeps her father in memory after 30 years and b) that she is not a cheapskate and pays for the candles herself instead of asking her cousin to pay for them. That's very good summary of it. I think it's enough for the *******************SPOILER********************** I would add only, that the most ridiculous aspect of it is, if my aunt takes care for our family grave regularly, why not to send her money, let's say, monthly and save the "candle mission" to anyone of us who is coming to that area. Thanks for playing, especially Doriana for sticking with it and solving it. |
