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Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2012 - 1:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This one might very well have been done already, but if it has, I've missed it. Please tell me if someone thinks it has already been done, and I'll terminate it.

A false tragedy caused a real one.
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Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2012 - 7:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the false tragedy affect one person? a small number of people? a large group of people? animal(s)? object(s)? an entire country/continent/municipality/etc? a place?

Same questions for the real one.
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2012 - 9:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the false tragedy affect one person? one person in particular a small number of people? and also thisa large group of people? and this, to a slightly lesser degree animal(s)? object(s)? an entire country/continent/municipality/etc? a place? no to the rest, and same answers for the real one
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Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2012 - 9:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The one particular person affected: HAM?

Was the same particular person affected by the false tragedy as the real one?
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Saturday, July 21, 2012 - 11:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The one particular person affected: HAM? HAF, but would work equally well with HAM, I suppose

Was the same particular person affected by the false tragedy as the real one? yes
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Posted on Tuesday, July 24, 2012 - 5:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it actually take place in the present? Within the last decade? Within the last 50 years? 100 years? 200 years? Before that?

would it have been possible for it to have taken place today? 10 years ago? 50 years ago? 100 years ago? 200 years ago? A thousand years ago?
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Thursday, July 26, 2012 - 11:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it actually take place in the present? Within the last decade? Within the last 50 years? 100 years? 200 years? Before that? It took place last year

would it have been possible for it to have taken place today? 10 years ago? 50 years ago? 100 years ago? 200 years ago? A thousand years ago? I believe it could have taken place at any time, as long as certain cultural elements were in place
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Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the relevant HAF famous? If so, was she famous before the incident? or because of it?

Could this have taken place in any country? In only one specific country? Only in developed countries? Only in developing countries? Only in countries that speak a particular language?
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Posted on Saturday, July 28, 2012 - 11:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the relevant HAF famous? famous is probably stretching it, but the story was featured in several international newspapers If so, was she famous before the incident? no or because of it? yes

Could this have taken place in any country? in theory, I think it would be possible in any country, yes In only one specific country? Only in developed countries? Only in developing countries? Only in countries that speak a particular language?
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Posted on Monday, July 30, 2012 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is technology relevant? Transportation? Athletics? Exploring? Food?
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 01, 2012 - 12:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the HAF perform the false tragedy? Was the false tragedy a theatre play?
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 11:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is technology relevant? Transportation? Athletics? Exploring? Food? no to all of these, except maybe with the slightest of ish'es for 'technology'

Did the HAF perform the false tragedy? yope Was the false tragedy a theatre play? good thinking, but no
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Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 1:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did more people perform the false tragedy? Did the HAF take part in the false tragedy unwillingly? Was the purpose of the false tragedy to amuse the audience? To make a point? To get someone's attention to a problem? To get someone's help?
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Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 2:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did more people perform the false tragedy? more people took part in it, yes, but I don't believe 'perform' is the best word, hence my yope above Did the HAF take part in the false tragedy unwillingly? yes Was the purpose of the false tragedy to amuse the audience? no, far from it To make a point? To get someone's attention to a problem? To get someone's help? no to all, and i think there might be a FA here
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Posted on Thursday, August 02, 2012 - 3:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the false tragedy an accident? If yes, does the word "false" mean that noone got seriously harmed?
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Was the false tragedy an accident? not an accident, no If yes, does the word "false" mean that noone got seriously harmed? no, someone was, in a way, "harmed"
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 9:47 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the false tragedy result in a death? Body harm? Sickness? Financial loss?
Same questions for the real one.
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Friday, August 03, 2012 - 9:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the false tragedy result in a death? yes Body harm? Sickness? Financial loss?

Same questions for the real one. well, the real tragedy involved a death, certainly
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Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2012 - 2:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was either tragedy a murder? Terrorist attack? 9/11?
Jondahr (Jondahr)
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Posted on Saturday, August 04, 2012 - 3:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was either tragedy a murder? no, unless you stretch the defintion of "murder" unreasonably far Terrorist attack? no 9/11? no
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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 11:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the false tragedy involve an accidental death? a death which could have been prevented?
a death caused by carelessness?
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Posted on Monday, August 06, 2012 - 1:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did the false tragedy involve an accidental death? a death which could have been prevented?
a death caused by carelessness? yesish to all, though this is strictly speaking the real tragedy that the false one caused
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 9:02 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the false tragedy an effect of a professional mistake? If yes, a medical mistake?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 11:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the false tragedy an effect of a professional mistake? If yes, a medical mistake? YES! Very good!
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Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 1:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the false tragedy the mistake itself?
Are there two deaths involved (first - the false tragedy, second - the real tragedy)?
Did the medical mistake concern pregnancy? Or childbirth?
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Posted on Wednesday, August 08, 2012 - 3:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the false tragedy the mistake itself? hm, I'm not quite sure exactly what you're asking. I think it would be better to say that the mistake was the second tragedy, but if you rephrase I might be able to give a better answer
Are there two deaths involved (first - the false tragedy, second - the real tragedy)? yope
Did the medical mistake concern pregnancy? Or childbirth? no
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Thursday, August 09, 2012 - 2:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I feel confused about what belong to the false tragedy and what to the real one.

Is the medical mistake a part of false tragedy? A real one?
Did two people die in this puzzle?
Did the medical mistake happen prior to the false tragedy? Prior to the real tragedy?

The amount of time that elapsed between false and real tragedy:
seconds?
minutes?
hours?
days?
weeks?
months?
years?

Were the victims of false and real tragedy related?
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Posted on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 3:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did someone try to correct something that wasn't really wrong?

perform an operation? prescribe drugs?

was the false tragedy in someone's mind? like a girl thinking her boobs were too small? or her nose too big?
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Posted on Friday, August 10, 2012 - 3:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I feel confused about what belong to the false tragedy and what to the real one. That's no wonder, because they are closely linked, and the questions have moved a lot back and forth, making it mor confusing. I'll try to clear it up a bit:

The false tragedy has to do with a medical mistake. Nobody dies in this tragedy - or else it would have been a REAL tragedy. However, because of the false tragedy, a real one occurs. And this REAL tragedy involves someone dying.


Is the medical mistake a part of false tragedy? so that's a yes for this one A real one?
Did two people die in this puzzle? no, only one
Did the medical mistake happen prior to the false tragedy? it directly caused the false tragedy Prior to the real tragedy? yes

The amount of time that elapsed between false and real tragedy:
seconds?
minutes?
hours? possibly this
days? or this (perhaps most likely)
weeks?
months?
years?

Were the victims of false and real tragedy related? yes, they were more or less exactly the same victims

Hope this clarifies a bit!
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Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 12:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the medical mistake an error in diagnosis? Mistake during operation? Wrong medication given to the patient?
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Posted on Sunday, October 28, 2012 - 2:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Long time no answer, but here, at last:

Was the medical mistake an error in diagnosis? this Mistake during operation? Wrong medication given to the patient?
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Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2012 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was a contagious disease involved?

Can we call the main victim Claire?

If so, was Claire in the hospital when false tragedy occurred? Same question for the real one?

Did Claire travel before/between both tragedies

Cultural background relevant? If so, did it happen in an underdeveloped/developed country?
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Posted on Friday, December 14, 2012 - 11:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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