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Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 10:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hi folks,

I've just learned that the design spec of our 'coming soon' new forum states that any thread that does not have a post for 3 days will be automatically deleted.

To get us used to this rather austere timeframe I propose that:

a) we cease filing dormant puzzles in Lateral Limbo and

b) we start deleting puzzles from the active puzzles section that have not had a post in say 5 days.

This will condition us in advance of the migration to the new forum, to keep our puzzles active, in the absence of questions, with hints summaries or updates.

It might be tough initially, as you may lose a puzzle that you've put a lot of work into, but as this is such a big change I propose we start this new regime effective immediately from today's date so we can get used to it.

By my reckoning there is currently around 25 unsolved puzzles that would be in danger of being deleted.

Let me know what you think.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 4:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I like that it'll force us to keep puzzles active. It'll also ensure constant chatroom chat.
I dropped hints recently on my puzzles, so please ask questions....
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 5:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Given today's date, I really hope you're not serious with that, Peter.
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 5:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yup, my thoughts exactly, RedWine!
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 6:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hee Hee *Evil Grin*
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry just couldn't resist. I do agree with Balin that it would force people to keep their puzzles active. I wonder......
Doriana (Doriana)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 6:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For a second, I wasn't sure if you were serious. Nice one!
Redwine (Redwine)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2014 - 6:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I wasn't sure about that all day long. Honestly, I have already said "goodbye" to all my long going ones...
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 12:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

GRRRR - I forgot it was 4/1.

Seriously though, ask me questions!
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 10:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It does raise an interesting point . At what stage do you simply say 'oh to hell with it' and spoil a puzzle where there's no activity.

Hominid's Indian Scrund puzzle fascinates me in that it's being running for three years almost.

It doesn't get a lot of attention and Hominid does not post anywhere asking for questions. If I were he I'd have spoiled it a long time ago. Surely there comes a time when the solvers can say 'You win I give up'

I'd be interested to hear your opinions.
Konnie (Konnie)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2014 - 7:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey, forgot to put my name in the title of my newest puzzle, Don't Go Towards the Light. Can someone do this, please? Thank you.
Wizardofnz (Wizardofnz)
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Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 12:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My puzzle 'In case you were wondering' was terrible, so I shot it in the head.

I wouldn't grudge someone who could only access this site intermittently the right to host a puzzle. If they did appear to be posting much less often than usual, a move to limbo and a reminder e-mail should suffice on the moderator's behalf. If they won't, or can't, pick up from there, it can be deleted.

Part of why the Indian Scrund is such a stark case study is that it has gone on for so many posts. I find scrunds to be problematic among lateral thinking puzzles for a number of reasons. The style of questioning is very much 20-questions, and we're often starting from an almost limitless range of things to narrow it down from. Attempts to narrow things down can lead us nowhere at any stage of the puzzle, whether we're trying to focus on the subject of the scrund from the beginning, or trying to focus on specifics after groundwork (as we are in this case). Often, some specialist knowledge is required, and the guessers are very rarely in the same frame of mind as the puzzle host, leading them to miss a specific line of questioning that the host may find obvious. It also doesn't help if the answers are persistently a flat 'yes' or 'no' and no useful clues are provided.

This is why forum members aren't motivated to post many questions to this puzzle. It's hard to think of something that hasn't been covered yet would seem obvious enough to work, and it's a pain in the neck to proffer a solution knowing that, most probably, it will be dismissed out of hand, leaving you only the most infinitesimal step closer. And this is true even if the host is not absent from the forum for months at a time.

This is the very thing happening with Hominid's scrund. If more people were hosting puzzles with the same level of commitment, the active puzzle page would become littered with the shells of serially abandoned puzzles. Deleting them after inactivity would be a very sensible approach.

If someone does find themself in such a position, giving useful hints and more detailed answers to questions is a worthwhile approach. Or just don't post scrunds, they're dreadful :P
Biograd (Biograd)
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Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2014 - 7:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It seems like people here have been extra-inspired lately. Not only has my puzzle "Sustained Release" been making great progress after weeks of going nowhere, but also what seemed to be a major stumbling block (possibly even an unnoticed FA) in "Paradoxical Product" was just cleared as well. And it seems others' puzzles are moving quickly too.
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2014 - 2:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I pretty much agree on the whole Scrund thing. I liked them initially and posted a few myself but it does seem that they are increasingly straying away from true lateral situation puzzles.

We need more dead guys in fields with a straw in one hand and an albatross sandwich in the other.
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2014 - 10:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I posted the bit of weightless verse when it was first published, but here it is with a spiffy illustration:

http://www.providencejournal.com/opinion/commentary/20140404-felicia-nimue-ackerman-radiating-eminence.ece

Also, as the inventor of scrunds, I am hardly about to agree with Wizardofoz's claim that "they're dreadful."But it's not just my tender ego that is at issue here; his criticisms are off the mark. Like many earlier scrunds, my two current ones don't require specialized knowledge. They require lateral thinking that will reveal the relevant facts. I hope you will engage in it it instead of simply accepting W's blanket put-down.
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - 11:00 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well I think everyone's entitled to their opinion. I guess the scrund is not a situation type puzzle and that's why some people don't like them.

As I said I liked them at first but I've seen so many that they've lost their magic for me.

Hominid's one is interesting as I don't seem to possess the basic knowledge that his scrund is based on. That makes it a very guessy type of puzzle and the answer probably won't make me say 'how on earth could he have thought that'.

I thought that scrunds were blatantly obvious misconceptions that everyone would find ridiculous (your own 'Jesus curing the Leopards' and my thinking there was a heavy metal band called Various Artists are, in my opinion, good examples).

But scrunds about having poetry published or the geographical or demographic history of India don't work for me because I don't know enough about the subject to find a misconception amusing or even strange.

That's just my two cents worth
Paul1440 (Paul1440)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2014 - 8:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Interesting. I posted a couple of scrunds recently and they got solved very quickly. I currently have three puzzles that have all gone several weeks without any posted questions. None of them are scrunds. Personally, I really don't want to just spoil them. The puzzles are vastly different from each other (If I have two similar puzzle ideas, I tend to wait for one to be spoiled before posting the next one.) So most of you should be able to find that one of my puzzles would interest you.

It just seems that there is a tendency for users of the forum to look at the puzzles near the top and near the bottom of the list. The one's in the middle seem to get "lost in the shuffle". It would be nice if the forum automatically sorted by posted time so that anything with recent activity would stand out. (And as soon as someone posts a hint, that would stand out as well). In addition, we could quickly see what puzzles haven't seen action in a long time, and perhaps post some questions when we notice this.
Peter365 (Peter365)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 10:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Paul you're right of course the 'bottom of page' syndrome has always been in effect here and on other fora.

Hopefully the new forum design will shuffle puzzles according to rececnt activity .
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 6:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

This seems to be getting scrunds in a "Dammed if you do, damned if you don't" situation: If the false belief isn't widespread, it's too easy to correct, if it is widespread, it's too obscure. But of course, there are good & bad scrunds just as there are good & bad lateral puzzles of other sorts. Bad scrunds are those where the false belief isn't widespread (at least on the forum). My rabbinical scrund was a bad scrund because it was too easily solved by knowledgeable Jews. But the poetic scrund requires you to figure out what's odd about poems as compared with other writing & thus calls for lateral thinking rather than put-downs.
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2014 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another point: My puzzle "Less Fun" is not a scrund and is nearly solved. Yet it, too, is being ignored. How come??
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Friday, April 11, 2014 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks to Dorians, I have $poiled "Less Fun"& posted a new puzzle. It's not a scrund, so I hope that even the anti-scrund brigade will check it out.
Balin (Balin)
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Posted on Friday, April 11, 2014 - 8:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm about to head out for the weekend, but please don't neglect my puzzles! "With a little burglary" was recently recapped, and "Luncheon loss" has been making solid progress - I $poyled my third, inactive puzzle in order to prepare something special over the weekend (which may or may not be done by then). Hold onto your hats!
Paul1440 (Paul1440)
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Posted on Wednesday, April 16, 2014 - 10:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, for the first time in quite a while I have a new puzzle. ("Little Scapegoat" was finally solved.) Check it out. Also, my older puzzles "Unusual Lifestyle Part 2" and "No Longer First" need more questions.
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I inadvertently added a double-post on Balin's "With a Little Burglary" puzzle. Moderator: Please fix. Thank you.
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 8:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There has been so little action on my puzzles that I wonder if I'm being boycotted by the anti-scrund brigade (even though they're not all scrunds). I've posted NEW HINTS on all my puzzles, but if they get ignored, maybe I should give up on the forum, much as I would hate to do so.
Paul1440 (Paul1440)
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Posted on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 9:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nimue,

I just posted questions on all three of your active puzzles. Hopefully, that will help get things rolling. I'm having the "little action problem" as well with my own puzzles. If you (or anyone else) would like to try my puzzles, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Paul
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Posted on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 9:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I added a hint to "No Longer First"
Nimue (Nimue)
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Posted on Friday, April 18, 2014 - 11:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, Paul! I've answered all your questions.
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Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2014 - 6:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Nimue, I don't think anyone is boycotting or intentionally ignoring your puzzles. I, for example, would love to ask questions, but can't think of anything good at the moment. You should probably just give them some more time - and please don't give up on the forum =)
Nimue (Nimue)
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Thanks, Doriana, & thanks also for your questions, which I've answered.
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I've spoiled the puzzle I had in limbo and posted a hint to "Accidental Hipster." I gave up Internet frivolities for Lent, but 50 days of feasting are upon us, so expect a few new puzzles from me!
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Hi guys,

The wheels are turning slowly on the design of a new forum to replace this one which is on a platform which is no longer supported.

Here is the plan:

Set up new phpBB installation in test space and configure it to match the old forum as closely as possible with regards to settings.
Style the new forum. We were thinking of using the template below

http://phpbb3.pixelgoose.com/index.php?style=5

Create a custom script to transfer users from the old forum to the new one. We don't think we can transfer passwords so these would have to be created from scratch and emailed to the users.
Once the users and transferred we can swap the new forum in to make it the the main page for the site.
We will then move the old forum to an archive folder, something like http://www.lateralpuzzles.com/archive/. There would be a small amount of downtime for the old forum as we would need to move it and change the configuration, but it shouldn't take too long as we can prepare bits in advance. We are going to attempt to make the changes in an SEO friendly way so that any pages that Google has spidered will keep the same urls.

Any comments or feedback welcome

regards

Paul

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