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Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 11:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There's a perfectly odrinary church in the city of Viertlingen. The church services where just the way you would expect them, except for one thing: Not a single note was played on the organ for well over a year. Find out why.
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2004 - 11:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because they played chords?
The organ worked, I assume?
Were there any sounds coming from the organ at all in that year?
Did they have organ recordings?
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 12:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did people complain about the organ music? (or about the organists interpretations?)
noise limits relevant?
Did they play other music instead of the organ? sing the chorals without organ? did not sing at all?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 1:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the sound of the organ cause avalanches?
Oneida (Theoneida)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 3:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did they have an organist?
Organist Guild strike?
Birds/bats/rodents/something else in the organ pipes?
Was the organ stolen?
Was the organ still present in the church?
Was it the first year that the church existed and they had yet to purchase an organ?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 9:43 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Because they played chords? no
The organ worked, I assume? yes
Were there any sounds coming from the organ at all in that year? no
Did they have organ recordings? no

Did people complain about the organ music? (or about the organists interpretations?) no
noise limits relevant? no
Did they play other music instead of the organ? no
sing the chorals without organ? no did not sing at all? yes

Did the sound of the organ cause avalanches? no

Did they have an organist? yes
Organist Guild strike? no
Birds/bats/rodents/something else in the organ pipes? no
Was the organ stolen? no
Was the organ still present in the church? yes
Was it the first year that the church existed and they had yet to purchase an organ? no

Couple of nice ideas up there... keep it up :)
Tony (E20)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 10:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were services held regularly during this time?

On average, approximately how many people attended each service? 0? 1? 5? 10? 50? 100? 500? 1000? more than 1000?

Was any music used at all in the services?

Did the churchgoers choose to have no organ music? or was this imposed on them?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 12:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the Organ a small Baroque organ? a large (metre long pipes) church pipe organ? an electronic Organ?
Rhodes organ? Rock Organ? Percussive Organ? Drawbar Organ? a harmonium? Harmonica :)? Puff Organ?

If it was a Church pipe organ, does it have electric or mechanical action?

back here we have a pipe organ that doesn't get much use due to the fact it was badly converted from a mechanical actioned organ to an electric one - making it nasty for any respectable organist to play
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 1:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

i think oneida's on to something, that organist guild has gotten out of control, drunk with power...

Is the year relevant in which the organ was silent (historically, i mean - the year when it was silent)?

Was there any physical reason that the organ was not played? Was any physical thing hampering their ability to play the organ? Or were they perfectly able to use the organ but decided not to? Was it a symbolic gesture? Will knowing anything about the church leaders or parishoners help?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 1:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were services held regularly during this time? no, only quite rarely

On average, approximately how many people attended each service? probably 10-20, I guess

Was any music used at all in the services? noish

Did the churchgoers choose to have no organ music? no or was this imposed on them? this

Is the Organ a small Baroque organ? a large (metre long pipes) church pipe organ? this an electronic Organ? Rhodes organ? Rock Organ? Percussive Organ? Drawbar Organ? a harmonium? Harmonica ? Puff Organ?

If it was a Church pipe organ, does it have electric or mechanical action? The air is pumped in electrical, the keyboard works mechanically

back here we have a pipe organ that doesn't get much use due to the fact it was badly converted from a mechanical actioned organ to an electric one - making it nasty for any respectable organist to play well, here we look for an even more lateral reason... :)

i think oneida's on to something, that organist guild has gotten out of control, drunk with power... LOL

Is the year relevant in which the organ was silent (historically, i mean - the year when it was silent)? It was silent in 2001 and 2002. This is, historically, not unimportant, but you betetr don't try to solve the puzzle this way around...

Was there any physical reason that the organ was not played? yes, but see below Was any physical thing hampering their ability to play the organ? yes, but see below Or were they perfectly able to use the organ but decided not to? yes Was it a symbolic gesture? yope, that one is hard to answer Will knowing anything about the church leaders or parishoners help? noish
Tony (E20)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 2:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"They were pefectly able to use the organ but decided not to" ... but the churchgoers did not choose to have no organ music, "it was imposed on them".
Was this imposed by the priest?
Some other member of the church hierarchy?
The leader of the choir?
Someone not involved in the government of the church?
A government official?
The editor of the local newspaper?
Someone with an interest in preserving old organs?

Is the rarity of the services significant?
Is the size of the congregation significant?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 3:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was this imposed by the priest? this Some other member of the church hierarchy? or this
The leader of the choir? no
Someone not involved in the government of the church? no
A government official? no
The editor of the local newspaper? no
Someone with an interest in preserving old organs? no, but not totally off track

Is the rarity of the services significant? Is the size of the congregation significant? The church isn't used on a regular basis, but only on special occasions (like, christmas and so on). This is relevant.
Oneida (Theoneida)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 3:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there something wrong with the building?
Reparations were being made?
Remodeling?
Something else to preserve the building?
Did church services continue in the same building while the organ was not being used?

Is it a Catholic church?
Protestant?

Were the churchgoers ordinary parishioners or were they in positions of leadership? Or a combination? Relevant?

"Was any music used at all in the services? noish"
But no singing? What about a cantor? An instrument or instruments other than the organ? Piano? Harpsichord? Strings? Brass? Full orchestra? Jazz combo? Karaoke?
Tony (E20)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The priest banned the use of the organ?

because it was not being used regularly?

because it was thought that using it would cause some damage?
to the organ?
or to the building?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 9:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there something wrong with the building? no Reparations were being made? no Remodeling? no Something else to preserve the building? no
Did church services continue in the same building while the organ was not being used? yes

Is it a Catholic church? this, I guess Protestant?

Were the churchgoers ordinary parishioners this, probably or were they in positions of leadership? Or a combination? Relevant? no

"Was any music used at all in the services? noish"
But no singing? correct What about a cantor? no An instrument or instruments other than the organ? no Piano? Harpsichord? Strings? Brass? Full orchestra? Jazz combo? Karaoke?

The priest banned the use of the organ? well, for svv of "banned", yes. The others didn't mind.
because it was not being used regularly? no
because it was thought that using it would cause some damage? no to the organ? or to the building?
Brian Hobbs (Paradox)
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2004 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were their people/things/animals that would have been harmed/irritated if the organ had been played?
Was there something special about any of the people who attended the church?
Location of the church relevant?
Mezzoforte (Mezzoforte)
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 3:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did it cause too many vibrations in the building?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 4:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it just the organ that was silent for a year - or do they normally have singing when the organ is played, just that this particular year - for some reason - no music was used in any of the masses?

If so, is the fact that the organ wasn't played a cause or an effect of this?
Martin Schwenk (Trickymartin)
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 7:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were their people/things/animals that would have been harmed/irritated if the organ had been played? no
Was there something special about any of the people who attended the church? no
Location of the church relevant? not really

Did it cause too many vibrations in the building? no

is it just the organ that was silent for a year - or do they normally have singing when the organ is played, just that this particular year - for some reason - no music was used in any of the masses? Actually I don't know that for sure. But the reason that kept them from playing the organ implies they didn't play anything (or sing) during that time

If so, is the fact that the organ wasn't played a cause or an effect of this? The organ not being played is the effect of something. Nothing else being played (including singing) is an effect of the organ not being played.
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 8:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Has this got anything to do with the acoustics and/or the sound system in the church that said organ was interfering with?

Had the reason that is preventing the organ from being played something to with safety? necessity? a crime? respect? financial?

Is the organ not being played physically preventing any other music from being performed?

Did something happen earlier that has thus prevented access to the organ? - ie has the stairs to the choir loft been removed for safety reasons, thus preventing any one from reaching the organ. (on that note: is the organ in a choir loft?)

Due to the information given above, i take it all the pipes are directly above and behind the organ - ie, the 64' wooden stop isn't hidden 5m to the left of the organ in the choir stalls? Is this relevent?
Oneida (Theoneida)
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 1:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they having the organ cleaned? Rebuilt?

Interesting questions about the pipes ... were they near the organ at all?
Were the pipes being replaced? cleaned?
How many keyboards did the organ have ... 2? 3? 4? 5? more?
In order to access the pipes, does one have to climb stairs? climb a ladder? go through a door? through the ceiling?

Is it possible that they could have continued to sing a capella (without accompaniment)?
If they didn't use other instruments, was that for the same reason that they didn't play the organ?

Were they trying to lower the electric bill?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Friday, October 29, 2004 - 1:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were any words spoken in the church during this year?