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Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt)
Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 5:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's Good Omens then.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 8:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 05:02 pm:


It's Good Omens then.
Yes sir.
Eliot (Eliot)
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By Dietmar Cremers (Feenwelt) on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 05:02 pm:


It's Good Omens then.
Yes sir.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 8:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ooh, double post. That's bad luck.
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bad Omen, you mean...
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 10:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, we'll see. I broke a mirror just yesterday.
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 3:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the book written since January 1, 2000?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005 - 7:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa) on Tuesday, January 11, 2005 - 03:15 am:


Was the book written since January 1, 2000? Good Omens was written...lessee...1990.
Quintus Marcius (Philippus)
Posted on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 10:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, it's a long time since I read Good Omens, so I shall try to solve the puzzle a different way.

Is "it" an action?
Something that takes place frequently? every day? or only in special circumstances?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 12:42 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

creation of the universe relevant?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 1:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Quintus Marcius (Philippus) on Friday, January 14, 2005 - 10:12 pm:


Well, it's a long time since I read Good Omens, so I shall try to solve the puzzle a different way. Yay!

Is "it" an action? No...t really.
Something that takes place frequently? Somewhat.every day? It could possibly happen somewhere every day.or only in special circumstances? no.

By Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 12:42 am:


creation of the universe relevant? No.
Quintus Marcius (Philippus)
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 8:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is "it" more of a process than an action?
Is a human agent involved? animals? nature? inanimate objects?

Could "it" happen anywhere?
Could "it" happen at any time? Or is some element of the modern world required?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Monday, January 17, 2005 - 3:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Quintus Marcius (Philippus) on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 08:13 pm:


Is "it" more of a process than an action? Sort of.
Is a human agent involved? In most cases, yes. In this, not really. Don't think too hard about that.animals? nature? inanimate objects?

Could "it" happen anywhere? Almost.
Could "it" happen at any time? Most times.Or is some element of the modern world required? Yesish.
Quintus Marcius (Philippus)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 10:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is something being created? destroyed? consumed or used up?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

None of the above.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 10:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Or is some element of the modern world required? Yesish.
Perhaps this should be 'yes'. A modern something is required, but it's been around for quite some time.
Quintus Marcius (Philippus)
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 8:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The modern something:
is it an object (eg car, computer)?
is it an attitude (eg environmentalism)?
is it an aspect of society (eg internet, national health service)?
was it developed in the 20th century? 19th? earlier?

Does "it" have a beginning, middle and end?
Are these all contained within the time-frame of the puzzle statement?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 8:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Quintus Marcius (Philippus) on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 08:04 pm:


The modern something:
is it an object (eg car, computer)? Yes.
is it an attitude (eg environmentalism)?
is it an aspect of society (eg internet, national health service)?
was it developed in the 20th century? This.19th? earlier?

Does "it" have a beginning, middle and end? Yes.
Are these all contained within the time-frame of the puzzle statement? Yes.
Quintus Marcius (Philippus)
Posted on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 9:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the object a computer (pace Babbage)? a vehicle? an appliance or labour-saving device? communication device?

We're not talking about the life-span of the object, so presumably it is used in some way.
Is it used in the normal way? Is the way it is being used in the book the reason for the extra time involved?

Was the difference between your original concept of the time involved and that depicted in the book caused by a lack of knowledge on your part? or by a distortion of the normal circumstances in the book?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Friday, January 21, 2005 - 9:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Quintus Marcius (Philippus) on Thursday, January 20, 2005 - 09:43 pm:


Is the object a computer (pace Babbage)? a vehicle? an appliance or labour-saving device? communication device? This is closest. It's actually two things, one pretty much a 20th century object and one an invention with origins in the 19th.

We're not talking about the life-span of the object, so presumably it is used in some way.
Is it used in the normal way? Yes.Is the way it is being used in the book the reason for the extra time involved? Yope. It is used in the normal way, but seems to last much longer.

Was the difference between your original concept of the time involved and that depicted in the book caused by a lack of knowledge on your part? No. or by a distortion of the normal circumstances in the book? Yes. Good way to put it.
Quintus Marcius (Philippus)
Posted on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Type of communication involved:
written? spoken? signals or gestures? electronic? Morse code? semaphore?
Object:
telephone? radio? gramaphone/record/CD player? television?

Does the passage of time appear to slow down or speed up to the character(s) in the book?
Are the character(s) as surprised by the length of time involved as you were on reading about it?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Monday, January 24, 2005 - 12:38 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Quintus Marcius (Philippus) on Sunday, January 23, 2005 - 10:57 pm:


Type of communication involved:
written? spoken? signals or gestures? electronic?yes Morse code? semaphore?
Object:
telephone? radio? gramaphone/record/CD player? television?this is closest

Does the passage of time appear to slow down or speed up to the character(s) in the book?slow down
Are the character(s) as surprised by the length of time involved as you were on reading about it?One seems rather surprised.
Quintus Marcius (Philippus)
Posted on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 9:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Something like a television but not actually one. Hmmm...

Is the transmission of information only one-way? Or can both parties communicate with each other?
Is there a visual element to the communication? an audio element?

Does the object have a screen? or is it more of a broadcaster or projector?
Is the object larger than a standard television? smaller? about the same size?

Is "it" the communication? a conversation? a broadcast?
In the real world, would "it" always happen in exactly the same way (eg a television programme that is the same each time it is shown)?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Quintus Marcius (Philippus) on Tuesday, January 25, 2005 - 09:24 pm:


Something like a television but not actually one. Hmmm... a television is possible.

Is the transmission of information only one-way?Yes. Or can both parties communicate with each other? No.
Is there a visual element to the communication?Yes. an audio element? Yes.

Does the object have a screen? The invention does, yes.or is it more of a broadcaster or projector? This too.
Is the object larger than a standard television? smaller? about the same size? Can be a television or something larger.

Is "it" the communication? Yesish.a conversation? a broadcast? Not exactly the word, but this is the closest.
In the real world, would "it" always happen in exactly the same way (eg a television programme that is the same each time it is shown)? Yes, and your example is very close.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Wednesday, January 26, 2005 - 10:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By the way, the plot of the book could really help with the solution, or at least make it seem less obscure. If you've never read the book and want to know:
It is basically about Armageddon and the last days of the world. Main characters include an angel and a demon who would rather have the world stay intact, a cute little boy who is the antichrist, and a witch named Anathema Device.
Rose (Tackybritish)
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

check your email ;)
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 7:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm frightened of what I might find there.
Rose (Tackybritish)
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 10:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It was hard but please check your mail
Quintus Marcius (Philippus)
Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2005 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm sorry I haven't made much progress with this. I've been around even less than normal recently, and in any case I seem to be stuck. Does the above conversation mean that Rose has solved the puzzle? If not, I'll try to think of some more questions.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 9:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No, she has not solved it. She is being over confident :), but good guess, Rose. Should I give a big hint or just spoil?
Rose (Tackybritish)
Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2005 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Me overconfident that couldn't be me! I'm shocked! :) Maybe a big hint. Yes that would be good.
Quintus Marcius (Philippus)
Posted on Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 7:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hint away...
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Thursday, February 03, 2005 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It pertains to a conversation in the book...The longer-than-usual event takes place in a particular setting...
Silas (Silas)
Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 2:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A conversation eh? Hmm... Does it have anything to do with my two favorite characters in the book? I forgot their names though. Sorry should of come prepared. "A" something I think it was.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 12:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Silas (Silas) on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 02:29 am:


A conversation eh? Hmm... Does it have anything to do with my two favorite characters in the book? I forgot their names though. Sorry should of come prepared. "A" something I think it was. It takes place between Aziraphale and Crowley, yes. I'm going to $p0i1 soon if there are no objections.
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2005 - 2:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wow! I cant believe my computer is allowing me to post! I haven't been able to do anything in weeks...months...years....without the internet it's hard to keep track of time. So I'll spoil this quick and if nothing terrible happens, I have a slew of new puzzles. A slew!

******************SPOILER to this tired old thing.

The basic premise was that, when we go to heaven, we will watch good wholesome movies like "The Sound of Music". And because this is such an incredibly long and drawn-out movie, it should knock out a good portion of eternity. What follows is the paraphrased conversation from the fabulous book Good Omens that further explains this concept. Aziraphale is an angel, Crowley is a demon, and they are both rather drunk;


C: Just you think about it. You know what eternity is? You know what eternity is? I mean, d'you know what eternity is? There's this big mountain, see, a mile high, at the end of the universe, and once every thousand years there's this little bird-
A: What little bird?
C: This little bird I'm talking about. And every thousand years-
A: The same bird every thousand years?
C: Yeah.
A: Bloody ancient bird then.
C: Okay. And every thousand years this bird flies-
A: -limps-
C: Flies all the way to this mountain and sharpens it's beak-
A: Hold on. You cant do that. Between here and the end of the universe there's loads of- loads of buggerall, dear boy.
C: But it gets there anyway.
A: How?
C: It doesn't matter!
A: It could use a spaceship.
C: Yeah, if you like. Anyway, this bird-
A: But it is the end of the universe we're talking about. So it'd have to be one of those spaceships where your descendants are the ones who get out on the other end. You have to tell your descendants, you say, When you get to the mountain, you have to-what's it got to do?
C: Sharpen it's beak on the mountain. And then it flies back-
A: -in the spaceship-
C: And after a thousand years it goes and does it all again.
A: ...seems like a lot of effort to sharpen a beak.
C: Listen, the point is that when the bird has worn the mountain down to nothing, then...then you still wont have finished watching the Sound of Music."

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