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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 7:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

While working on a research project, Freesia, a sociologist, experienced an emotion that she had not only never experienced before but that she had never even heard of. What is it??
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it relevant why she experienced this emotion?
is it relevant that she was doing a research project?
is it relevant that the research was in sociology?
was the emotion caused by the project in any way?

would we have heard of it? was she unusual in never having heard of this emotion? or never having experienced it?

was it a negative emotion? positive? a 'good thing'?
is it an emotion she would want to feel again? would we be likely to want to feel it?

is it relevant why she had not felt the emotion before? is it an emotion which is usually only felt by people in unusual circumstances? such as the feeling one might have in watching your tribe eat your dead brother's brains to give them courage?

is her race relevant? her nationality?

was the research being undertaken within a culture different to her own? or about a different culture?
was the emotion caused by seeing something relevant? reading something? hearing something? tasting something? feeling something? remembering something? anticipating something? fearing something?

was the emotion akin to:
excitement? fear? embarrassment? love? happiness? pride? anxiety?

did she feel the emotion while on her own? with one or two others? in a group?

was it necessary for anyone else to be there for her to feel the emotion?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 7:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 09:46 pm:


is it relevant why she experienced this emotion? yes
is it relevant that she was doing a research project? yes
is it relevant that the research was in sociology? yes
was the emotion caused by the project in any way? yes

would we have heard of it? unlikely was she unusual in never having heard of this emotion? no or never
having experienced it? no

was it a negative emotion? yesish positive? no a 'good thing'? noish
is it an emotion she would want to feel again? no would we be likely to want to feel it? possibly. I like it but many people wouldn't

is it relevant why she had not felt the emotion before? yes is it an emotion which is usually only felt
by people in unusual circumstances? yesish such as the feeling one might have in watching your tribe
eat your dead brother's brains to give them courage? well...not that unusual

is her race relevant? no her nationality?no

was the research being undertaken within a culture different to her own? yope or about a different
culture? yope
was the emotion caused by seeing something relevant? yes reading something? yes hearing
something? yes tasting something? no feeling something? you mean the tactile sense of feeling? no remembering something? yes anticipating
something? no fearing something? no

was the emotion akin to:
excitement? fear? embarrassment? love? happiness? pride? anxiety? no to all :O:O:O:O!!!!

did she feel the emotion while on her own?possibly with one or two others?ditto in a group? ditto

was it necessary for anyone else to be there for her to feel the emotion? noish
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 8:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

From your answers it seems that you have felt this emotion - correct?
would this emotion only be felt by people studying what Freesia was studying?
in the emotion was there an element of:
horror? nihilism? despair? depression? terror? disgust? pity? curiosity? strangeness? surprise?is the emotion caused by knowing that something bad is happening or has happened to at least one other human?
is it necessary for a human to be involved in evoking the emotion - even if they are not present at the time the emotion is felt?
if so - would it be usual for the 'evoker' to be of a different culture to the feeler? would it be necessary?
are animals involved? money? healthcare? tribal customs? slavery? cannibalism? initiation rites? rites of passage? marriage? death? birth? eating? drinking? illness? employment? voting? housing? war? violence? pacifism? religion?

is it a 'mixed' emotion? where there are some negative aspects and some positive?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 8:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 08:37 pm:


From your answers it seems that you have felt this emotion - correct? yes
would this emotion only be felt by people studying what Freesia was studying? no
in the emotion was there an element of:
horror? no nihilism? no despair? maybe for some people depression? ditto terror? very unlikely disgust? no pity? no curiosity? noish strangeness? yes surprise? maybeis
the emotion caused by knowing that something bad is happening or has happened to at least
one other human?possibly bur not necessarity( & not in the case in the puzzle)
is it necessary for a human to be involved in evoking the emotion - even if they are not
present at the time the emotion is felt? yes
if so - would it be usual for the 'evoker' to be of a different culture to the feeler? no would it be
necessary? no
are animals involved? money? healthcare? tribal customs? slavery? cannibalism? initiation
rites? rites of passage? marriage? death? birth? eating? drinking? illness? employment? voting?
housing? war? violence? pacifism? religion? Any of these things could be involved, but in the actual case in the puzzle,the elements involved are religion,money, housing, employment, marriage, eating & drinking, rites of passage, & initiation rites

is it a 'mixed' emotion? yes where there are some negative aspects and some positive? yes
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 10:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the emotion schadenfreude?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 6:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 10:04 am:


is the emotion schadenfreude? no
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 10:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The reason she had never heard of the emotion:
Because it is rare?
It is associated with another culture?
Associated with another era?
Normally only experienced within a certain context?

Hannah asked, "would we have heard of it?" and you answered, "unlikely".
I'm just wondering how we will establish the identity of the emotion if we have never heard of it.
Do you expect us to google?
Should we find other emotions that are closely associated?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 10:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it ambivalence?
If not, is it associated with ambivalence?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 3:33 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 10:01 pm:


The reason she had never heard of the emotion:
Because it is rare? yes
It is associated with another culture? no
Associated with another era? no
Normally only experienced within a certain context? yope

Hannah asked, "would we have heard of it?" and you answered, "unlikely".
I'm just wondering how we will establish the identity of the emotion if we have never heard of it. HINT: Find out more about her research

Do you expect us to google? not in order to solve this puzzle
Should we find other emotions that are closely associated? that would help

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Tuesday, December 21, 2004 - 10:08 pm:


Is it ambivalence? no
If not, is it associated with ambivalence? no
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 3:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant that Freesia is female? Would a male researcher in Freesia's place have experienced the same emotion?

Was Freesia's research related to ..
.. education?
.. gender issues?
.. employment?
.. religion?
.. generation conflicts?
.. (im)migrant culture?
.. equality/disparity?
.. politics?
.. something else?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 6:14 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you mean emotion as a state of feeling? If so, have I felt it? Would I be able to feel it in the United States? In Sweden? On the moon? Would I know the name of the emotion if I felt it?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 7:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Jens Weber (Sundowner) on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 03:36 pm:


Relevant that Freesia is female? no Would a male researcher in Freesia's place have experienced
the same emotion? He's be as likely to as a woman would

Was Freesia's research related to ..
.. education? no
.. gender issues? no
.. employment? no
.. religion? yes
.. generation conflicts? no
.. (im)migrant culture? noish
.. equality/disparity? no
.. politics? no
.. something else? no

By Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa) on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 06:14 am:


Do you mean emotion as a state of feeling? yes If so, have I felt it? How should I know? All I can tell you is that many people have never felt it Would I be able to feel it in the
United States? yes In Sweden yes On the moon? yes Would I know the name of the emotion if I felt it? You might have to give it a nane, but there's an obvious choice
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 8:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it post-traumatic stress? (Well, I don't know! lol)
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 10:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa) on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 08:46 pm:


Is it post-traumatic stress? no(Well, I don't know! lol)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 11:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The research:

Are religious rituals relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 12:28 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 11:06 pm:


The research:

Are religious rituals relevant? yes
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 12:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are human sacrifices relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 1:49 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 12:58 am:


Are human sacrifices relevant? no
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 1:52 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yet another
BLOOOPERRRRRR(ETTE) ALLLLLLLLLLERTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!


The research:

Are religious rituals relevant? yes "yesish" would probably be a better answer
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 4:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are non-religous rituals relevant?
Could the emotion be described as a mix of two more known emotions? a mix of more emotions?
Is it related to "No Pain, No Gain" (something bad is needed for the good to come)?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 6:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tommy Petersson (Tommyp) on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 04:28 pm:


Are non-religous rituals relevant? no
Could the emotion be described as a mix of two more known emotions? no but ORT a mix of more
emotions? no
Is it related to "No Pain, No Gain" (something bad is needed for the good to come)? no. There's hardly any maxim I'm in less sympathy with that "No pain, no gaion," by the way