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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 06:56 pm:


are children relevant here?yope
did her research look at children in some way?yesish
was she studying the way people of a particular creed dealt with children?yope was she looking at
the way children became 'adult' members of their religion? yope

was she studying conversion to a particular creed? yes
was she studying an extreme religious sect? yesan exclusive one? yope
was she studying a group which kept to 'old fashioned' ways? noish like the Amish? not the Amish

the people who might find this emotion pleasant - do they share the same sort of outlook on
life? yesish the same politics? no the same religious beliefs? no the same beliefs about child rearing? no the
same beliefs about parenthood? no
to find this emotion pleasant would a person have to be a liberal? no well educated? no left wing? no
adventurous? yesish
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 7:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does the relevant time period pertain to:
The "sect" and its activities?
Freesia and her research?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is 'brainwashing' relevant here?
was she researching the way an extreme sect manipulates the mind of a young person? to make them more dependent? or make them more attached to the sect? or to make them forsake their family?

would the emotion be more likely to be pleasant to someone who 'knows their own mind'? someone who likes to pit their wits against another person? someone who is strong willed?

is the emoion the sense of another person making you feel all your previous ideas about life were wrong? having one's world 'turned upside down'?

does the emotion involve having to contemplate completely new ideas? or having to look at one's own beliefs in a deeper way than before?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 9:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 07:49 pm:


Does the relevant time period pertain to:
The "sect" and its activities? yes
Freesia and her research?no

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Sunday, January 02, 2005 - 08:42 pm:


is 'brainwashing' relevant here?yes. I don't approve of that consept in this context, though, as I think the claim of brainwashing is usually made by parents who object to their children's unconventional religious choices
was she researching the way an extreme sect manipulates the mind of a young person? yesish to
make them more dependent? yesish or make them more attached to the sect? yesish or to make them
forsake their family? yesish

would the emotion be more likely to be pleasant to someone who 'knows their own mind'? yes
someone who likes to pit their wits against another person? yes someone who is strong willed? yes

is the emoion the sense of another person making you feel all your previous ideas about life
were wrong? no having one's world 'turned upside down'? no

does the emotion involve having to contemplate completely new ideas? yes or having to look at
one's own beliefs in a deeper way than before? no
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 4:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so she was studying how a young person would become part of a particular Christian sect?
did the sect have some sort of initiation rite? some sort of ordeal? and is that what she was studying?

the emotion - is it that which would be felt by the young person who was becoming part of the sect? and she was feeling it in sympathy? or was the emotion one that an observer would feel on seeing a young person becoming a part of the sect?

is sensory deprivation relevant here? extended solitude? hallucinations? visions? encounters with 'spirits'? self analysis?
Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 2:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For all future purposes, this is the new LTPF list of Christian demoninations:
-------------------------------
Baptists
Church of Christ (Disciples)
Episcopalians
Jehovah's Witnesses
Latter-day Saints (Mormons)
Lutherans
Methodists
Orthodox
Pentecostal
Presbyterians
Roman Catholics
United Church of Christ
--------------------------
Any Christian denomination other than these will have to be figured out by guessing.


Which Christian denomination is it? {LTPF list of Christian denominations}
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 8:26 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For all future purposes, this is the new LTPF list of Christian demoninations:
-------------------------------
Baptists
Church of Christ (Disciples)
Episcopalians
Jehovah's Witnesses
Latter-day Saints (Mormons)
Lutherans
Methodists
Orthodox
Pentecostal
Presbyterians
Roman Catholics
United Church of Christ


Could we add Anglicans to that list? there are quite a lot of us in the rest of the world :)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 2:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this denomination / sect go back more than one thousand years?
Does it go back more than fifteen hundred years?
Does it go back more than 200 years?

Does this denomination / sect still exist?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 6:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I thought Anglican was the same as Episcopalian? No? Both COE, right?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 6:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The Episcopal Church ("episcopalian" is a noun) is the name given to the American branch of the Anglican Communion, a world-wide group of churches that originated in the Church of England (created in 1534 after Henry VIII was excommunicated from the Roman Catholic Church for divorcing Catherine of Aragon to marry Anne Boleyn).

This information brought to you by woubits inc, pedants to the gentry since 1903.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 6:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Like I said...and what about Quakers, Shakers, Evangelicals, Branch-Davidians, Seventh Day Adventists, Unitarians, Jews for Jesus...
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 6:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whereas Episcopalian is the same as Anglican, Anglican isn't the same as Episcopalian - if you see what I mean :) But certainly, the LTPF List of Christian Sects needs work.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 7:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well then, maybe we could use COE for both Anglican and Episcopalian...and Branch Davidian is, I think, a split from the Adventists, so we could just include the latter...
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well, the Adventists were originally Baptists, until Armageddon failed to happen in 1844. But this discussion could grow to the length of Felicia Nimue's paper if we aren't careful :)
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 1:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Monday, January 03, 2005 - 04:11 pm:


so she was studying how a young person would become part of a particular Christian sect? yope
did the sect have some sort of initiation rite? not really some sort of ordeal? yope and is that what she was
studying? yope

the emotion - is it that which would be felt by the young person who was becoming part of the
sect? no and she was feeling it in sympathy? no or was the emotion one that an observer would feel
on seeing a young person becoming a part of the sect? well, she did

is sensory deprivation relevant here? no extended solitude? no hallucinations? no visions? no encounters
with 'spirits'? no self analysis? no

By Shawn Franchi (Doctapeppa) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 02:22 am:


For all future purposes, this is the new LTPF list of Christian demoninations:
-------------------------------
Baptists
Church of Christ (Disciples)
Episcopalians
Jehovah's Witnesses
Latter-day Saints (Mormons)
Lutherans
Methodists
Orthodox
Pentecostal
Presbyterians
Roman Catholics
United Church of Christ
--------------------------
Any Christian denomination other than these will have to be figured out by guessing. It's not on this list, but it's followers seem to worship Jesus
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 1:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BLLLLLOOOPERRRRRRRRRR ALERTTTTT!!!!!!!Any Christian denomination other than these will have to be figured out by guessing. It's not
on this list, but it's followers seem to worship Jesus

OOOOH--there shouldn't have been an apostrophe in the possessive 'its'
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 1:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was going to enquire whether you had been working too hard :)
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 1:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 06:51 pm:


Like I said...and what about Quakers, Shakers, Evangelicals, Branch-Davidians, Seventh Day
Adventists, Unitarians, Jews for Jesus... It's not on this list either
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 1:12 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Have people in this sect been known to commit suicide?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 9:48 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Please could you answer my questions from Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 02:43 pm
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 6:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By David Burn (Woubit) on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 01:12 am:


Have people in this sect been known to commit suicide? No, at least no more than the general public
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2005 - 7:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Simon Downham (Beroean) on Tuesday, January 04, 2005 - 02:43 pm:


Does this denomination / sect go back more than one thousand years? no
Does it go back more than fifteen hundred years? no
Does it go back more than 200 years? no

Does this denomination / sect still exist? yes