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Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 6:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 6:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My blushes Beroean! That...thing appears to be "excited" about something. (Ahem.)

Isn't that an alien? some mythological creature? my aunt?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 7:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

My blushes Beroean! That...thing appears to be "excited" about something. (Ahem.) It is rather ambiguous insn't it :(

Isn't that an alien? No
some mythological creature? No
my aunt? Yes No
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is that a turtle in his/her lap? Is it a creature of some sort (the thing in his lap)? Is he ministering to it in some way?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It is a turtle, isn't it?

And the ambiguous thing in his hand.. is it a shell?

It looks like a Mayan symbol....is it?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 7:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It is rather ambiguous insn't it Yes, it is. Rather disturbing what came first on my mind... ;)

Is he/she cleaning something?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tim
Is that a turtle in his/her lap? Yes (or tortoise)
Is it a creature of some sort (the thing in his lap)? Yes
Is he ministering to it in some way? Yope

Alizon
It is a turtle, isn't it? yes

And the ambiguous thing in his hand.. is it a shell? Yope

It looks like a Mayan symbol....is it? No

fred
Rather disturbing what came first on my mind... ;) Rest assured

Is he/she cleaning something? No
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is that a rock in his other hand? is he going to bash the turtle or try to crack its shell?

is the yopish shell in his hand some creature? a seashell?

he's not achilles by chance, is he?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is he wearing something on his head? (Hard to tell.)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Stuccers
is that a rock in his other hand? Yes
is he going to bash the turtle or try to crack its shell? Yes

is the yopish shell in his hand some creature? Yes
a seashell? No

he's not achilles by chance, is he? No but good idea

Fred
Is he wearing something on his head? (Hard to tell.) Quite likely
Arjun Rangarajan (Jun)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this illustrate some adage?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this illustrate some adage? Yes
Arjun Rangarajan (Jun)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"The mind is greater than the body" type of thing (e.g. All you need to do to kill the turtle is turn it upside down?)
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"The mind is greater than the body" type of thing (e.g. All you need to do to kill the turtle is turn it upside down?)

You have got the right idea!
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:52 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wherever did you come across a picture of Fred's aunt bashing a tortoise with a rock?

Betwixt a rock and a person's lap?

No matter how good your armor, there might be someone bigger than you with a rock out there somewhere?
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wherever did you come across a picture of Fred's aunt bashing a tortoise with a rock? I gave it to him to frighten the children with. ;)

Is the relevant moral, "Even those who have a tough exterior also possess a soft underbelly?"
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wherever did you come across a picture of Fred's aunt bashing a tortoise with a rock? It took many hours of intensive searching but I got there in the end

Betwixt a rock and a person's lap? It appears so

No matter how good your armor, there might be someone bigger than you with a rock out there somewhere? I like it (but it's not the one

Bear in mind that there are two creatures in the "lap"
Arjun Rangarajan (Jun)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 9:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Instead of trying to do the obvious with brute force, try the lateral :)"

A good logo for our forum :)?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Instead of trying to do the obvious with brute force, try the lateral " :)

A good logo for our forum ? Indeed and something I could heed
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the idea that he could hurt himself?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the idea that he could hurt himself? No
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The illustration is represents an ethic proverb. The drawing is rather basic. You need to discover Exactly what is happening in the picture and then work out what the adage might be.

We know there are two creatures the "lap" and one is a turtle. The boy is holding a stone and is bashing the shell of the turtle.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you mean an ethic proverb, or an ethnic proverb?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do you mean an ethic proverb, or an ethnic proverb?

Thank you David - I meant Ethnic Proverb

Who needs spell checker when you have Woubit! :)
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can't resist - is the proverb intended to instill an ethic?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 10:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What's ethics? Well, it's a county near suthics.
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Friday, January 28, 2005 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Can't resist - is the proverb intended to instill an ethic? Very Good

What's ethics? Well, it's a county near suthics. Also near middlethecs
Dref (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 3:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Aesop relevant?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 8:45 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Aesop relevant? No, although he did similar things.
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 9:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

RECAP

This illustration represents an "adage" familiar to a certain indiginous people.

The boy is holding a turtle and "bashing" it with a rock. He also holds another shelled creature in his lap.

Try to work out exactly what is happening and then see if you can arrive at some sort of "saying"
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 12:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the boy being foolish in any way? Are we supposed to follow his example? Or not do what he does?
Relevant that both creatures have shells? Is he planning to bash the other one as well?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 1:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the boy being foolish in any way? Naive rather than foolish
Are we supposed to follow his example? No
Or not do what he does? Right
Relevant that both creatures have shells? Yes
Is he planning to bash the other one as well? Yes (or he might already have done so or he might choose it as an alternative)

Good questions
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 3:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the idea that there's a better way to get the creatures open? Or another way to get at what's inside rather than bashing 'em? Or that life's too short to be going around bashing on shells with rocks when you could be gnawing a yam?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the idea that there's a better way to get the creatures open? Noish
Or another way to get at what's inside rather than bashing 'em? Noish
Or that life's too short to be going around bashing on shells with rocks when you could be gnawing a yam? Not exactly but getting warmer

Hint: Consider that there are two different creatures that can get a bashing here
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"If you're going to go about bashing shells, pick the one that'll give you more of a reward"?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"If you're going to go about bashing shells, pick the one that'll give you more of a reward"?

I think this is near enough!

Solution Follows..
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, January 29, 2005 - 4:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***************** SPOILER ********************

The picture represents an Akan (African) proverb.
The proverb says “Akodaa bo nwa ommo akyekyedee.”
The literal translation: “The child is capable of splitting open the snail, not the tortoise.”

The underlying message is, one must be given the task within his/her ability. Or, one should recognize one's limitations before embarking any task.



turtle

As Ixoye correctly pointed out I posted an Akan Proverb about 2 years ago. Here is another one. I find it interesting to compare proverbs like this with any proverbs or principles that we may be more familiar with.

I can think of two Biblical principles that are linked, somewhat. Can you think of anything more closely related to this Akan Proverb?

Luke 14: 28-30 Conveys the idea that we should count the cost before embarking on a project to assess if we have the necessary resources to complete it.

Galatians 6: 4-5 Tells us to not compare our ability with that of others but to focus on our own ability and responsibilities.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Monday, January 31, 2005 - 2:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Higgledy piggledy
Jesus of Nazareth
Faced with the task of the
Saving of man,
Gazed at the world with a
Teleological
Sigh, and said "Father, I'll
Do what I can."

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