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Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 6:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Back in the days before I attained my present spectacular level of sophistication, I asked Amenone what I naively considered a totally innocuous question. After all, it didn't invade her privacy, & she knew that I knew that neither a positive answer nor a negative one would reflect badly on her. Yet she was offended, & she was right to be offended. How come??
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 7:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was she offended because you should have known the answer? because it showed that you had not been paying attention to her?


she felt offended..
did she think you were casting aspersions on her honesty? her integrity? her intelligence? her appearance? her education? her health? her family? her romantic relationships? her physical abilities? her race? her nationality? her gender? her choice in clothing? her choice in residence? are any of these things relevant to the puzzle?

is it relevant how well you knew her? was she a close friend? a friend at all? a colleague? a stranger to you? a student of yours? a teacher?

did you ask her something about herself? about her actions? about her past? about her future?

if she had been a man would she have been offended by the same question? would many other women?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 07:06 pm:


was she offended because you should have known the answer? no because it showed that you had
not been paying attention to her? no


she felt offended..
did she think you were casting aspersions on her honesty? no her integrity? no her intelligence? yope her
appearance? no her education? no her health? noher family?yesish her romantic relationships? no her physical
abilities? noher race? no her nationality? no her gender? no her choice in clothing? no her choice in residence?no
are any of these things relevant to the puzzle? yes

is it relevant how well you knew her?yes was she a close friend? no a friend at all? yes a colleague? no a
stranger to you? no a student of yours? no a teacher? no

did you ask her something about herself? yes about her actions? no about her past? yes about her future? no


if she had been a man would she have been offended by the same question? yes would many
other women? yes
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 7:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did she misunderstand your question?

Was heredity involved?

Are any features of her as a person relevant?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 7:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you say yesish to family. Are any of these relevant:
her parents? her children? her extended family? her ancestors? her grandparents? her grandchildren?


does she have children? relevant?
did you ask her something about her attitudes to children? childbearing? childcare?

did you ask her about her childhood in any way? is she an adult? a child?
did you ask about her parents? about where she came from? about her name?

would you have asked the question if she had been a close friend? would you have known the answer then?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 8:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Alizon (Alizon) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 07:50 pm:


Did she misunderstand your question no

Was heredity involved? no

Are any features of her as a person relevant? yes

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 07:54 pm:


you say yesish to family. Are any of these relevant:
her parents? yes her children? no her extended family? no her ancestors? not beyond her parents her grandparents? no her
grandchildren? no


does she have children? irrel relevant? no
did you ask her something about her attitudes to children? nochildbearing? no childcare? no

did you ask her about her childhood in any way yes is she an adult? yes a child? no
did you ask about her parents?no about where she came from? no about her name? no

would you have asked the question if she had been a close friend?possibly would you have known the
answer then? possibly
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 8:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

so her parents are relevant but you did not ask about them - correct?
did you ask where she lived as a child? did you ask about anything that had happened to her as a child?
did you ask about anything that she had done as a child?
are the schools she went to relevant?
does she have any siblings? relevant?

was she offended on behalf of her parents? did she think you were being rude about them? about some choice they had made? about their actions? about their intelligence?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 08:33 pm:


so her parents are relevant but you did not ask about them - correct? yes
did you ask where she lived as a child? no did you ask about anything that had happened to her
as a child? no
did you ask about anything that she had done as a child? yope
are the schools she went to relevant? no
does she have any siblings? irrel relevant? no

was she offended on behalf of her parents? yope did she think you were being rude about them? yes
about some choice they had made? yhes about their actions? yope about their intelligence? yope
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 9:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did you ask her about anything she had owned as a child? childhood pets? imaginary friends? family holidays? childhood vaccinations? her health as a child?

did she think you were being rude about her parents' abilities at child rearing?

you said that she thought you were being rude about a choice her parents had made - did this choice concern health? jobs? hobbies? politics? childcare? money? housing? religion? their safety? the safety of their children?
did the choice concern her? her future?

is anything about her birth relevant? where it happened? how it happened?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 09:04 pm:


did you ask her about anything she had owned as a child? no childhood pets? no imaginary friends? no
family holidays? no childhood vaccinations? no her health as a child? no

did she think you were being rude about her parents' abilities at child rearing? noish

you said that she thought you were being rude about a choice her parents had made - did this
choice concern health? no jobs? no hobbies? no politics? no childcare? no money? no housing? no religion? yes their
safety? no the safety of their children? no
did the choice concern her? yes her future? yope

is anything about her birth relevant? no where it happened? no how it happened? no
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 10:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is it relevant what religion her parents were? christian? jewish? muslim? atheist?
relevant what her religion was? same list..

did you ask about her early experiences with religion? about any religious teaching she had had as a child? about church attendance? about baptism? about sunday school?

did she think you were accusing her parents of failing in their religious duties? of religious hypocrisy? of being narrow minded? of failing to understand their religion?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 12:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Saturday, January 15, 2005 - 10:37 pm:


is it relevant what religion her parents were? yes christian? possibly jewish? dotto muslim? dittoatheist? no
relevant what her religion was? yes same list.. same answers

did you ask about her early experiences with religion? yes about any religious teaching she had
had as a child? no about church attendance? no about baptism? no about sunday school? no

did she think you were accusing her parents of failing in their religious duties? no of religious
hypocrisy? no of being narrow minded? possibly of failing to understand their religion? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 1:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmmm...those are all mono-theistic, is that relevant? One book (or Book) relevant?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 1:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 01:05 am:


Hmmm...those are all mono-theistic, is that relevant? no One book (or Book) relevant? no
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 3:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you ask if she'd been raised in a religion vs. converting to it?
Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc)
Posted on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 5:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

did you ask if she was the same religion as her parents? was she? relevant?

did you ask her about religious rituals? whether she had taken part in any?

what you asked - did it follow on from something you had said earlier? were you already in a discussion with her? and this was just one further question?
did you ask this question in response to something she said?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Tuesday, January 18, 2005 - 7:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

y Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 03:15 pm:


Did you ask if she'd been raised in a religion vs. converting to it? no

By Hannah Kinghern (Kdoc) on Sunday, January 16, 2005 - 05:40 pm:


did you ask if she was the same religion as her parents?yope was she? yes relevant? yes

did you ask her about religious rituals? no whether she had taken part in any? no

what you asked - did it follow on from something you had said earlier? no were you already in a
discussion with her? yes and this was just one further question? yes
did you ask this question in response to something she said? yes
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 6:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you ask her opinion on some aspect of her parents' religion? Had you been discussing her parents' religion? If so, had you been discussing it as being her parents' religion (vs. discussing a particular religion which just happened to be that of her parents, I mean)?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 7:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you ask her opinion on some aspect of her parents' religion? no Had you been discussing her
parents' religion? yes If so, had you been discussing it as being her parents' religion yes (vs.
discussing a particular religion which just happened to be that of her parents, I mean) no?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 7:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BLOOOOOOPERRRR ALLEERTTTTTTTTT!!!Did you ask her opinion on some aspect of her parents' religion? no The answer should be yesish
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 7:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yope to asking if she was the same religion--did you ask if she wasn't?
Felicia Nimue Ackerman (Nimue)
Posted on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 9:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo) on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 07:44 pm:


Yope to asking if she was the same religion--did you ask if she wasn't? no