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Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 7:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Jeff, a hot-shot salesman, is hired into a position at a new company. Over his first few weeks there, he proves himself to be a valuable asset to the company. He even comes in one Saturday to finish some work from the past week, which results in a new sales account for the company. However, Jeff is fired just a few days later. Why?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 7:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the problem he came on Saturday? He shouldn't have to?

Were all Jeff's activities relevant to this puzzle strictly legal?
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 7:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant what the company sells?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 8:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the problem he came on Saturday? No
He shouldn't have to? It was entirely his choice to be there on Saturday

Were all Jeff's activities relevant to this puzzle strictly legal? Hmm...can you ask this another way?

Relevant what the company sells? No, just consider Jeff a widget-pusher
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 8:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK. Was Jeff dismissed as a result of doing something illegal?

As to the cause of his dismissal:
Did he break a law? Any internal guideline of the employer? Was he fired because of having done something unethical?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 8:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

OK. Was Jeff dismissed as a result of doing something illegal? Keep reading...

As to the cause of his dismissal:
Did he break a law? No
Any internal guideline of the employer? Yes
Was he fired because of having done something unethical? No
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the guideline related to the time spent in office?
Behaviour of the employees?
Was it special or would any average company have a similar one?
buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 9:10 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Do the specifics of the new sales account factor into his dismissal? if he had gotten a different sales account then the one he landed would he still have been fired?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the guideline related to the time spent in office? No
Behaviour of the employees? Yes
Was it special or would any average company have a similar one? I know that many companies have this guideline in place, it is not something that exists only at Jeff's company
Do the specifics of the new sales account factor into his dismissal? No
if he had gotten a different sales account then the one he landed would he still have been fired?
Yes
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 9:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Jeff violated some company policy which resulted in his being fired despite his performance, right? And it wasn't an ethical thing (other than the ethics of adhering to company policy), right?

Did the infraction occur on the Saturday?

Did he park in the Boss's spot? Wear casual clothing? Throw a recyclable into the wrong bin?
buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 9:29 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the behaviour:
rude?
crude?
involve the way he was dressed?

is it relevant that he was working on something from the *past* week, that is to say that working on something after a certain point is a no-no?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 9:34 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

So Jeff violated some company policy which resulted in his being fired despite his performance, right? Correct
And it wasn't an ethical thing (other than the ethics of adhering to company policy), right? Also correct

Did the infraction occur on the Saturday? No

Did he park in the Boss's spot? No
Wear casual clothing? He did, but this wasn't against policy
Throw a recyclable into the wrong bin? No
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the behaviour:
rude? To some people, yes
crude? No, I'd say not
involve the way he was dressed? In a way, yes, explore

is it relevant that he was working on something from the *past* week, that is to say that working on something after a certain point is a no-no? No, not relevant
buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you said he wore casual clothing but it wasnt against policy; but if he was not dressed casual, would he still have been fired?

his casual attire:
Is it relevant what type of casual attire he was wearing? shorts and tshirt vs jeans and sweatshirt have resulted in same result?

Jeff came in on a Saturday; could he just have likely been fired Monday morning as opposed to "a few days later"?

stab in the dark: does the word "hard" in the title refer to more then just describing his aggresive work ethic (ie coming in on the weekend)? might it involve a "hard hat"?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 9:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you said he wore casual clothing but it wasnt against policy; but if he was not dressed casual, would he still have been fired? Aha, no, he probably wouldn't have been fired, keep reading

his casual attire:
Is it relevant what type of casual attire he was wearing? Something about it is relevant, yes
shorts and tshirt vs jeans and sweatshirt have resulted in same result? This type of clothing isn't related to Jeff's being fired

Jeff came in on a Saturday; could he just have likely been fired Monday morning as opposed to "a few days later"? Well no, because of reasons outlined above it is very unlikely that he would have been fired on Monday

stab in the dark: does the word "hard" in the title refer to more then just describing his aggresive work ethic (ie coming in on the weekend)? No, there are not any clues in the title, but you may be able to pick up a very indirect clue to the puzzle's solution by reading the puzzle itself
might it involve a "hard hat"? No
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 9:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Something like a t-shirt with a message? Or logo? on it?
buzz visconti (Visconti)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 10:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

does it involve a hat?
does it involve his shoes?

you said "in a way, yes" to my question about how he was dressed; does this have more to do with the physical way he got dressed (as opposed to what he was wearing)?

is it relevant that you described Jeff as a hot-shot salesmen (as opposed to just calling him "great")?

is it relevant that this is a new company?

is Jeff related to the boss?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he dressed at all?
David Joshua Faber (Taliesintwo)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 1:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was he wearing a t-shirt (or other garment) given to him by the other company in the sale? thereby creating a conflict of interest? like he completed the sale because he got a t-shirt/hat out of the deal?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 3:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Something like a t-shirt with a message? Or logo? on it? Not these, but read on just a bit...
does it involve a hat? No
does it involve his shoes? Yes

you said "in a way, yes" to my question about how he was dressed; does this have more to do with the physical way he got dressed (as opposed to what he was wearing)? No, it had to do with what he wore

is it relevant that you described Jeff as a hot-shot salesmen (as opposed to just calling him "great")? If you are looking for the clue, then yes, this is relevant :)

is it relevant that this is a new company? No
is Jeff related to the boss? No

Was he dressed at all? Yes, this wasn't a "clothing optional" corporation :)

was he wearing a t-shirt (or other garment) given to him by the other company in the sale? No/irrelevant
thereby creating a conflict of interest? No, nothing like that
like he completed the sale because he got a t-shirt/hat out of the deal? Good thinking, but wrong track
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 6:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He was wearing thongs (the footwear kind, I mean)? Brikenstocks? Bare feet? Clogs? Hiking boots? Sneakers? Hightops?

Is it a safety thing?
miroac (Miroac)
Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 7:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He was fired on the same day that the wore the "footwear"? The only relevant motive for him being fired was this "footwear", correct?