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John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 12:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Ian electronic? this is closest made of flesh? a cyborg? no to the rest
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 5:44 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Same questions for Oliver. ;)
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 1:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Same questions for Oliver. ;) Same answers... again. "Electronic" makes even more sense for Oliver than for Ian, but it's still not a plain yes.
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 1:20 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the movie Tron relevant?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 1:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the movie Tron relevant? I never saw it, so I assume it is not
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 11:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this occur in the real world at all? or just cyberspace/wherever?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, March 20, 2005 - 12:58 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does this occur in the real world at all? or just cyberspace/wherever? the "cyberspace" in which this occurs is, in a sense, a part of the real world. However, nothing relevant happens elsewhere in the real world. I hope that answers your question!
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 1:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a Matrix type situation?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 1:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a Matrix type situation? No, it's not that kind of virtual world. It's something much simpler.
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 12:03 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it simply a game?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 3:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it simply a game? no
Ian (Image)
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a simulation of some sort? Are Ian and Oliver self-aware? Sentient? Are the controlled by a computer? Do they themselves exist tangiably? Or are they created by some machine, ie a computer, as a string of 1s and 0s?

I died...? Why did no one tell me that...?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Monday, April 18, 2005 - 10:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a simulation of some sort? yesish
Are Ian and Oliver self-aware? yes
Sentient? yes
Are the controlled by a computer? yesish
Do they themselves exist tangiably? no
Or are they created by some machine, ie a computer, as a string of 1s and 0s? YES

I died...? Why did no one tell me that...? I'm telling you now, OK? :)
Ian (Image)
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 9:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are Ian and Oliver simulations of humans? Are they a program? Or something made by a program? Are they on the same computer? Could this occur in our present time with our present technology?
Did Ian die from what would be considered natural causes within the simulation? (ie. virtual starvation, virtual suffocation, etc?) Or did he die because of some error on the computer? Like a power outage? Or a crash?

Did Oliver know that Ian existed? Did he know that Ian had died? Did they communicate in any way? Did Ian know that Oliver existed?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 9:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are Ian and Oliver simulations of humans? no
Are they a program? yes
Or something made by a program? yope
Are they on the same computer? yes
Could this occur in our present time with our present technology? not that I know of
Did Ian die from what would be considered natural causes within the simulation? (ie. virtual starvation, virtual suffocation, etc?) FA - it's not that kind of simulation
Or did he die because of some error on the computer? Like a power outage? Or a crash? nothing like this

Did Oliver know that Ian existed? yes
Did he know that Ian had died? yes
Did they communicate in any way? not communicate exactly
Did Ian know that Oliver existed? irrelevant
Craig ATlas (Craiga)
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the term "Mind" key?

If Oliver has a mind he must be human, or controlled by a human?

Was Ian a deram and Oliver woke up?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 6:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

is the term "Mind" key? no but it is sort of a hint

If Oliver has a mind he must be human, or controlled by a human? no

Was Ian a deram and Oliver woke up? no but otrt
Ian (Image)
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 9:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are one of the two, or both, artificial intelligence? If Oliver hadn't existed in the first place, would Ian still have died?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, April 20, 2005 - 11:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are one of the two, or both, artificial intelligence? both, yes
If Oliver hadn't existed in the first place, would Ian still have died? no...
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 1:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this anything to do with the game of Life?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 1:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this anything to do with the game of Life? no
Ian (Image)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 8:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)


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If Oliver hadn't existed in the first place, would Ian still have died? no...



No because Ian wouldn't have been there? Wouldn't have existed? Or because whatever caused Ian to die wouldn't have been there, or wouldn't have occured? Did Oliver create Ian? Did Ian create Oliver?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, April 21, 2005 - 8:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

No because Ian wouldn't have been there? Wouldn't have existed? THIS Or because whatever caused Ian to die wouldn't have been there, or wouldn't have occured?
Did Oliver create Ian? YES Did Ian create Oliver? no
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 3:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could either Ian or Oliver live without an electrical power source? Are they stored on the hard disk, or RAM? Is Oliver the computer? He let his CPU wander to other tasks, and so the program "Ian" died? (Quit?) Or Oliver used his processing to other means, killing Ian? Does Oliver feel emotions? Does Ian? Would Oliver be upset that Ian died? Could Oliver easily 'create' another Ian to replace him? Is Oliver a Program? A file? An Operating system? A networking program? An application? Ditto for Ian? Is the entity that created Oliver relevant? Is Oliver a program for creating robots? Could Ian still exist if Oliver stopped existing?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Could either Ian or Oliver live without an electrical power source? no
Are they stored on the hard disk irrel, or RAM? yes
Is Oliver the computer? no but...
He let his CPU wander to other tasks, and so the program "Ian" died? (Quit?) not exactly
Or Oliver used his processing to other means, killing Ian? FA I think
Does Oliver feel emotions? yes but irrel
Does Ian? yes but irrel
Would Oliver be upset that Ian died? probably not
Could Oliver easily not necessarily 'create' another Ian to replace him? but yes
Is Oliver a Program? this A file? An Operating system? and this-ish A networking program? An application?
Ditto for Ian? program
Is the entity that created Oliver relevant? no
Is Oliver a program for creating robots? no but otrt
Could Ian still exist if Oliver stopped existing? NO
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 8:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Ian get deleted from RAM, because Oliver needed to store some other stuff there? Did Oliver start sending other tasks to the computers processor, thus eliminating any time spent on Ian, thus killing him? Did Oliver intentionnaly kill Ian? Was it a mistake? So Ian is like a macro within Oliver? That Oliver made? Do Ian and Oliver share the same consciencesness? (Xkuse my spelingg) Is Oliver unique? Is Ian?

What do we still need to figure out?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Ian get deleted from RAM, because Oliver needed to store some other stuff there? eventually, YES
Did Oliver start sending other tasks to the computers processor, thus eliminating any time spent on Ian, thus killing him? and YES, this first
Did Oliver intentionnaly kill Ian? no, but irrel
Was it a mistake? yes, but irrel
So Ian is like a macro within Oliver? somewhat, yes
That Oliver made? yes
Do Ian and Oliver share the same consciencesness? no
(Xkuse my spelingg) noo prbolem
Is Oliver unique? yes
Is Ian? yes

What do we still need to figure out? hmm... there was a little more but I think you're close enough :)
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 10:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***** SPOILER *****

Oliver is an advanced artificial intelligence. He imagines a computer, running a similar (but simpler) program named Ian. As Ian is essentially running in a virtual machine inside Ian's imagination, he is (almost) as much alive and real as Oliver. But when Oliver's mind wanders, Ian ceases to exist.


Well done Ian (the real Ian, that is) and thanks to everyone who played.
Ian (Image)
Posted on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 11:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hehehehe... good puzzle!
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, April 23, 2005 - 2:31 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

aargh... that should of course read "Oliver's imagination" :(
I was doing so well...

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