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(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 1:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sadie was miles away from the finish line at the end of a very long race when the rest of the competitors arrived, yet she won the race over the next closest finisher by a foot.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 1:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sadie: human? adult? female?
miles away: literally a long distance? or just daydreaming?
finish line: an actual line? on a race track? road?
race: competition? the objective of which is to cross the finish line first? last? or cause something else to do so?
was Sadie running? walking? driving? riding a horse?
arrived: at the finish line?
foot: twelve inches?

Relativity relevant?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 1:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland):

Sadie: human? adult? female? Yes to all, but gender really irrel.
miles away: literally a long distance? or just daydreaming? Literally a distance of miles away.
finish line: an actual line? on a race track? road? Not on a race track, but there is a line.

race: competition? the objective of which is to cross the finish line first? Yes to these - a competition to cross the finish line first
last? or cause something else to do so? see above

was Sadie running? walking? driving? riding a horse? Some running/walking, also something not mentioned.

arrived: at the finish line? Yes

foot: twelve inches? Not exactly

Relativity relevant? No
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 1:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the length of a person's foot? something else's foot? a measurement of distance at all? or does "by a foot" mean "using a foot" or something along those lines?

"Sadie was miles away from the finish line at the end of a very long race...":
she was miles away when the race ended? or the finish line was simply where the race ended?

Was the race on a circular course?
Does this happen on land?
Is the finish line moving?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 2:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was this a biathlon? Combination of speed plus accuracy and the others failed the accuracy bit which gave her time to catch up? (I'm thinking of the skiing/rifle range combo in Rupolding)
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 2:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland):

the length of a person's foot? Yes, small -ish
something else's foot? a measurement of distance at all? or does "by a foot" mean "using a foot" or something along those lines? The ish is along these lines.

"Sadie was miles away from the finish line at the end of a very long race...":
she was miles away when the race ended?
or the finish line was simply where the race ended? Kind of tricky to answer.. when the race officially ended, she was miles away. The finish line is where the race ended.

Was the race on a circular course? No
Does this happen on land? Yes
Is the finish line moving? No

By Lynne (Lynne):

Was this a biathlon? Combination of speed plus accuracy and the others failed the accuracy bit which gave her time to catch up? (I'm thinking of the skiing/rifle range combo in Rupolding) No - good thinking though.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 2:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Er, was she miles from reaching the finish line? Or miles past it?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 3:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo):

Er, was she miles from reaching the finish line? Or miles past it? Suffice it to say she was miles away, could be in any direction.

To presume your next question (and what I think this question is asking) - Yes, she had been to the finish line. But no, she was not there when the race ended, nor was she declared the winner until the race ended and she was far away.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 3:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Triathlon? Marathon? That famous race in, I think it's Antwerp but I'm not really sure, but you know, the one where you've got to pilot a chicken on a skateboard for 33.8 miles over cobblestones and...anyhow, it took a long time for the last person to finish? And by that time the winner was miles from the finish line?

Iditarod?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 3:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo):

Triathlon? Marathon? That famous race in, I think it's Antwerp but I'm not really sure, but you know, the one where you've got to pilot a chicken on a skateboard for 33.8 miles over cobblestones and...anyhow, it took a long time for the last person to finish? And by that time the winner was miles from the finish line? None of these..those chickens of Antwerp are the poor man's bulls of Pomplona

Iditarod? No
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 4:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was there only one finish line? Did she run the same course as the rest of the competitors? Was she running "virtually"?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 4:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd (Bodo):

Was there only one finish line? Yes
Did she run the same course as the rest of the competitors? More or less - possible FA
Was she running "virtually"? No-it was real,physical movement.
Tim A. Dowd (Bodo)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 4:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I didn't mean necessarily via computer, but possibly running on a treadmill while watching a video in some kind of coordinated effort--that kind of thing? Was everyone running at the same time?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 4:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Tim A. Dowd:

I didn't mean necessarily via computer, but possibly running on a treadmill while watching a video in some kind of coordinated effort--that kind of thing? Oh, I see. Still no. Was everyone running at the same time? Yes, though as mentioned above, not always running.
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 11:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did everyone start the race at the same time? Did Sadie cross the finish line first, then go home?
Did she know that she would be declared the winner?
Was the finish line hidden? so the next closest competitor was only a foot away, but didn't know it?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 3:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the race set up like the Tour de France, in timed legs over a number of days, and the overall winner is the person with the best combined time (who might not be the first person across the final finish line if they had built up enough of a time lead in earlier legs)?

Some running/walking, and something else --a triathlon? running, cycling, and swimming?

She had been to the finish line, but was miles away when the race ended. Was the race not officially ended until the final competitor to cross the finish line had done so? Were there a lot of competitors, so that the last one was quite some time behind Sadie, and she had already gone home before they got to the finish line?
carmen ungureanu (Karmena)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 8:23 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

was it like a cross country competition on bycicle or even a rally? then there are stages spanning over more days and all are measured in some units, mainly time based. so then she would be far from the finish line and yet the winned as her total time is lower than the others scored.
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 1:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By John Morahan (Wunderland):

Did everyone start the race at the same time? Yes
Did Sadie cross the finish line first, then go home? Not quite.
Did she know that she would be declared the winner? No. She hoped so, but she wasn't positive.
Was the finish line hidden? so the next closest competitor was only a foot away, but didn't know it? The finish line did end up being hidden, but No to rest.

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab):

Is the race set up like the Tour de France, in timed legs over a number of days, and the overall winner is the person with the best combined time (who might not be the first person across the final finish line if they had built up enough of a time lead in earlier legs)? No.

Some running/walking, and something else --a triathlon? running, cycling, and swimming? No, and neither swimming nor cycling were involved.

She had been to the finish line, but was miles away when the race ended. Yes.
Was the race not officially ended until the final competitor to cross the finish line had done so? No, it would have been over when she crossed under normal circumstances.
Were there a lot of competitors, so that the last one was quite some time behind Sadie, and she had already gone home before they got to the finish line? No.

By carmen ungureanu (Karmena):

was it like a cross country competition on bycicle or even a rally? No, shorter than that.
then there are stages spanning over more days and all are measured in some units, mainly time based. so then she would be far from the finish line and yet the winned as her total time is lower than the others scored. No, the race was continuous from start to finish.

Some good questions there (and good leads!)
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 3:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the race linear (along a ground route)? Vertical (climbing a mountain or something)?
Underwater?
So when Sadie was miles away from the finish line, was she horizontally miles away? Vertically? Above/below the finish line?

Was someone declared the winner of the race by physically crossing the finish line? Was any participant of the race disqualified for any reason?

How long was the race course - less than 100 feet? less than 1 mile? less than 5 miles? less than 10 miles? does the length of the course matter?

Was it a one way race? Or round trip, necessary to start and return to the same point at the end of the race?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 3:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724):

Was the race linear (along a ground route)? Not entirely
Vertical (climbing a mountain or something)? Mostly, Yes. Good work!
Underwater? No
So when Sadie was miles away from the finish line, was she horizontally miles away? Vertically? When she was miles away, mostly horizontally, although there most likely was some vertical difference as well. Suffice it to say she was in a different location altogether. Above/below the finish line?

Was someone declared the winner of the race by physically crossing the finish line? Yes.
Was any participant of the race disqualified for any reason? No

How long was the race course - less than 100 feet? less than 1 mile? less than 5 miles? less than 10 miles? does the length of the course matter? It was quite long - it took several days to finish.

Was it a one way race? Yes.
Or round trip, necessary to start and return to the same point at the end of the race?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 8:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

CLARIFICATION THAT WILL LIKELY ONLY MAKE THINGS LESS CLEAR: In a lateral way, Sadie was at the finish line at the race's conclusion. It also is true that she was in a different place altoghether.
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 9:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does it make sense to say "this race was x miles long?"

Does the race involve climbing? diving? flying?