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Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 4:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Had the friend done something to a key previously? Not to a key, but keep going on this path
which meant it could no longer serve its purpose? No, nothing like this
did she have an accident involving a key? Yes-ish, still on the right track here
Was she scared of keys? To a degree, she probably was. She wasn't a "key-phobic", meaning she didn't have an aversion to keys themselves, but you're still on the right track...
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 4:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she scared or wary of something associated with keys? eg a lock? a door? a keyring?
Had the friend done something which is associated with keys? eg a lock? a door? a keyring?
Had she cut herself on one? She she have an accident involving something related to keys? eg a lock? a door? a keyring?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 4:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she scared or wary of something associated with keys? Yes, in a way
eg a lock? Yes
a door? Yes, this too
a keyring? maybe, but not primarily
Had the friend done something which is associated with keys? YES
eg a lock? a door? BOTH
a keyring? Maybe, but not primarily
Had she cut herself on one? No
Did she have an accident involving something related to keys? YES
eg a lock? a door? BOTH
a keyring? May have also been involved, but not primarily
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 4:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she hurt in the accident? did dhe get a key stuck in a lock? Did she somehow cause harm to someone else?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 5:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was she hurt No, but the potential was there
in the accident? "situation" is a much better word for it
did dhe get a key stuck in a lock?
Did she somehow cause harm to someone else?
No to both
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 5:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hmm am getting a little stuck, would you mind posting a recap!? :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 6:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she given to locking herself in? out? of places?

It's relevant which doors the key was to -- did all the outside doors on the house have the same key? was that key the one that Hank attached to Yani's collar? Did the doorlocks need a key from both sides, so that she could possibly lock herself in the hose and lock Hank and Maria out?

A friend of mine has that kind of locks, and she keeps the keys on a keyring hanging on a hook right beside the door, on the inside. Did the friend take the keys out of the locks? off the hook? and put them somewhere else? Hide them?

Did the friend dislike having doors locked? Insist on having the doors locked?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is she given to locking herself in? out? of places? No, locking isn't the problem...

It's relevant which doors the key was to -- did all the outside doors on the house have the same key? YES, safe to assume
was that key the one that Hank attached to Yani's collar? YES
Did the doorlocks need a key from both sides Yes
so that she could possibly lock herself in the house and lock Hank and Maria out? N/A

A friend of mine has that kind of locks, and she keeps the keys on a keyring hanging on a hook right beside the door, on the inside. Did the friend take the keys out of the locks? No, she never handled the key
off the hook? No
and put them somewhere else? Hide them? Neither

Did the friend dislike having doors locked? No - she probably wanted to be sure they were locked, at least during certain specific times
Insist on having the doors locked? Yes, she would have done this
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here's your recap, Pandora:

Maria's friend has come to stay at Hank and Maria's house for two weeks. Soon upon arrival, she has a discussion with Hank and Maria which leads Hank to the decision to get a collar for Yani. Hank later attaches the key to all the doors which enter/exit the house to Yani's collar. It is likely that the friend mentioned the yard and/or garden in the conversation. While the friend isn't afraid of keys themselves, she probably would have wanted to be sure that, at certain times, all the doors out of the house were locked. Yani is always free to roam the house and yard, and what Hank did with the key has nothing to do with the friend walking Yani or even spending time with him. After two weeks, the friend leaves and Hank throws the collar away.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the friend worried about intruders? about someone discovering this key? Did the friend ever leave the house within the two week period? was the friend a paranoid person?
So if locking isn't the problem, is unlocking the problem?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Hank take the key off the collar when he threw the collar away?
I may have asked this before or something similar but is it relevant why Hank threw the collar away rather than keeping hold of it? in case the friend came to stay again?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the friend worried about intruders? No, not at all
about someone discovering this key? YES - who?
Did the friend ever leave the house within the two week period? You mean of her own volition? If so, that's irrelevant. Other than this she didn't leave.
was the friend a paranoid person? YES, about one thing, and she had good reason to be paranoid about it
So if locking isn't the problem, is unlocking the problem? YES!
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:37 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh and thanks for the recap by the way :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the friend express dismay at where Hank normally hid the spare key to the house? (like under a rock in the garden?) Say that she didn't consider it a safe place? So he attached it to Yani's collar to make her feel better?

The friend was paranoid about one thing, with reason: So, does she have a stalker?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the friend express dismay at where Hank normally hid the spare key to the house? She did not discuss this with Hank
(like under a rock in the garden?) N/A

Say that she didn't consider it a safe place? No, this wasn't what they discussed either

So he attached it to Yani's collar to make her feel better? Yes, this is why he put the key there, but it was not requested by the friend that he do this

The friend was paranoid about one thing, with reason: So, does she have a stalker? No

All relevant characters in this story have been revealed - no others are involved, not even indirectly :)
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Hank take the key off the collar when he threw the collar away? Yes - good q
I may have asked this before or something similar but is it relevant why Hank threw the collar away rather than keeping hold of it?
in case the friend came to stay again?
This had not been revealed yet, and is a good question - basically (to cut to the chase) the safe assumption here is that the friend lived a long way away, and it would be years at least if the friend ever visited again, but the friend probably told Maria that this would be a one-time visit.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this supposed one time visit relevant?
Did this friend at one time forget to lock a door/s which potentially could have caused her harm in some way?
Was she burgled previously?
Was she worried about Maria discovering the key? Yani? Herself? someone related to her past?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 8:04 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this supposed one time visit relevant? It was just a visit between old friends.
Did this friend at one time forget to lock a door/s which potentially could have caused her harm in some way? No, it's not that she forgot to lock the door (because locking isn't the problem), it's something else...
Was she burgled previously? No
Was she worried about Maria discovering the key? Yani? Not these, but
Herself? BINGO
someone Yes, herself
related to her past? ...and present! You're almost there!
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:12 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

She's got Multiple Personality Disorder and one of her alternate personalities has the problem with keys/locks/locked/unlocked doors? Steals things? is irresponsible about locking up at night?

More mundanely: She sleepwalks? And has, in the past, unlocked doors and wandered, while still asleep?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Forgive me for not posting your first question, but to get onto more important things:

More mundanely: She sleepwalks? And has, in the past, unlocked doors and wandered, while still asleep? ON THE NOSE!
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

***SPOILER***

Maria was hosting an old friend for two weeks. Shortly after arrival, the friend told Hank and Maria how she had, over time, become quite a sleepwalker. Recently, her nocturnal roaming had become dangerous, as she had been attempting to unlock doors and get outside. She was afraid this may happen at Hank and Maria's house. Hank's idea was to get Yani a collar and put the key on it. That way, no matter how determined Maria's friend was to let herself out, she would have to ultimately locate Yani to find the key. Yani was well-trained, and would not attack Maria's friend. He would merely bark or alert Hank that someone was approaching (this was the relevance of Yani not having a kennel, as he likely slept near Hank). Once the friend departed, so did the need for Yani's collar!


Great job on the final "key" to the puzzle, Barb. I know Pandora would have liked to be the one to tie it up, but you both did super sleuth work.

NOTE: I based this puzzle on a classic lateral thinking puzzle in which a man put his master key into a bucket of ice cold water every night because his wife had the same problem that Maria's friend had. Hopefully this shows that a classic never goes out of style!
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

As much as would love to have tied it up, it would have taken me longer to get the sleepwalking bit anyway! - I do love the classic style puzzles though, great puzzle idea! :)
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Truly a nice classic type, Ixoye. And I'm still trying to get a good feel for when to tie one up and when to e-mail; I'm sorry, Pandora.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 3:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm glad you guys enjoyed it.

The great thing about this forum is that there are various types of puzzles that different people enjoy. I've never been a big fan of puzzles that are two or three words long, or the ones where it takes 50 questions to figure out if the "they" in the sentence means the "they" in the other sentence, etc., etc. Another good thing about these puzzles is that you can read one, it sparks an idea, and a whole new puzzle is born.

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