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(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 8:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A dead man is seated at a computer desk. On the screen is an open e-mail with three pictures attached. The text reads “Eureka! I’ve done it!”. Each picture is a close-up of a steak, two featuring a raw steak, and one of a cooked steak.
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 8:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Well I'll kick it off...

The man is human, I take it?
Age matter? Body size matter? Type of clothing matter?
Is the computer desk at the man's home? At his place of work? At someone else's home? At another relevant place?
Was the man seated at the desk at the moment he died? Moved to that place after he died?
Did anyone else witness the man's death?
Did the man die suddenly? quickly? slowly?
Did he know the sender of the e-mail?
When the man read the message, did he know immediately what the "it" in "I've done it" meant?
Did the man open the e-mail himself? did someone else open it for him?
Does the time of the man's death matter?
If the e-mail had been text only and no pictures, would the man still have died? how about if it had only been pictures, no words?

Did another unrelated event cause the man's death?

If you or I walked in and found the body, would we know just by looking what had caused the man to die?

Any weapons near the body?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 8:17 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

These also were posted to the puzzle...

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 08:15 pm:

Relevant how the man died? natural causes? murder? accident? shock?
The steaks = beef? pork? lamb? something else?
Did the man see the email before he died?
Was the email the cause of his death?
Was the text the email title? or just stated within the content of the email?
Relevant who sent the email?
Is the text relevant?
Was the dead man the creator of the email?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 9:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 08:16 pm:

Well I'll kick it off...

The man is human, I take it? yes
Age matter? middle-aged adult Body size matter? no Type of clothing matter? no
Is the computer desk at the man's home? yesAt his place of work? At someone else's home? At another relevant place? no to these
Was the man seated at the desk at the moment he died? yes Moved to that place after he died? no
Did anyone else witness the man's death? no
Did the man die suddenly? this quickly? slowly?
Did he know the sender of the e-mail? yes
When the man read the message, did he know immediately what the "it" in "I've done it" meant? yes
Did the man open the e-mail himself?yes did someone else open it for him? no
Does the time of the man's death matter? no
If the e-mail had been text only and no pictures, would the man still have died? maybe how about if it had only been pictures, no words? maybe not

Did another unrelated event cause the man's death? no

If you or I walked in and found the body, would we know just by looking what had caused the man to die? yes

Any weapons near the body? yes

By (Stuccosalt) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 08:17 pm:

These also were posted to the puzzle... thanks

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 08:15 pm:

Relevant how the man died? yes natural causes? murder? accident? shock? no to all
The steaks = beef? this pork? lamb? something else?
Did the man see the email before he died? yes
Was the email the cause of his death? please rephrase
Was the text the email title? or just stated within the content of the email? this
Relevant who sent the email? yes
Is the text relevant? yes
Was the dead man the creator of the email? no
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 9:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the email the cause of his death? please rephrase

Did the fact that the man saw this email cause him to die? would he have died if he had not seen this email? Did he kill himself? with a gun?

Was the person who sent this male? relevant? were they a friend? collegue? reletive? someone he knew in person? met in a chat room?

Is the fact that these were beef steak as opposed to another type of steak relevant?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 9:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the man commit suicide? With the nearby weapon?
Did the e-mail let the man know that...
someone had made a discovery?
someone had done something evil?
he (the dead man) was in danger?
the dead man's family was in danger?

Did the sender of the e-mail want only to show the reader that two steaks were raw and one was cooked? Or was he sending another message with some kind of code, possibly a word-picture message (like a rebus, only not Rebus McIntyre the country singer)?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 9:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did "I've done it!" mean the person had made steaks? Cooked the steaks? Made a special type of steak? Did the pictures look like normal meat close-up? Was it three pictures of three different steaks or the same steak raw and cooked? Was there a significant difference between the two cooked steaks?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 10:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 09:18 pm:

Was the email the cause of his death? please rephrase

Did the fact that the man saw this email cause him to die? yeswould he have died if he had not seen this email? eventuallyDid he kill himself?yes with a gun? yes

Was the person who sent this male? yes relevant? no were they a friend?no collegue? not really reletive? no someone he knew in person? yes met in a chat room? no

Is the fact that these were beef steak as opposed to another type of steak relevant? no

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 09:21 pm:

Did the man commit suicide? With the nearby weapon? yes to both
Did the e-mail let the man know that...
someone had made a discovery? yes
someone had done something evil? no
he (the dead man) was in danger? no
the dead man's family was in danger? no

Did the sender of the e-mail want only to show the reader that two steaks were raw and one was cooked? not exactly... Or was he sending another message with some kind of code, possibly a word-picture message (like a rebus, only not Rebus McIntyre the country singer)? nice idea, but no

By Eliot (Eliot) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 09:25 pm:

Did "I've done it!" mean the person had made steaks? noCooked the steaks?no Made a special type of steak? no Did the pictures look like normal meat close-up? yes Was it three pictures of three different steaks or the same steak raw and cooked? Same steak! Was there a significant difference between the two cooked steaks? FA, there were two pictures of Raw steak, and one cooked
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 10:54 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the man ill (the dead man)
Is is relevant how the man knew the sender of the email?
Was the email sender a neighbour?
An aquaintance?
Did the email sender know that the man would kill himself? by sending the email? was that his intention?
Did the pictures show anything other than steak? relevant?
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 10:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Oh, right. Significant difference between the two raw, then?
Was he commiting suicide to avoid a lengthy/painful death? Did the writer of the e-mail know he might commit suicide? Did the writer know he'd be upset?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 11:16 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 10:54 pm:

Was the man ill (the dead man)? no
Is is relevant how the man knew the sender of the email? yes
Was the email sender a neighbour? no
An aquaintance? no
Did the email sender know that the man would kill himself? by sending the email? was that his intention? "maybe" to these
Did the pictures show anything other than steak? no relevant? no

By Eliot (Eliot) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 10:57 pm:

Oh, right. Significant difference between the two raw, then? no
Was he commiting suicide to avoid a lengthy/painful death? no Did the writer of the e-mail know he might commit suicide? maybe Did the writer know he'd be upset? yes
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 11:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant why there were two raw steaks then?
Did the man commit suicide to avoid legal problems? Negative publicity?
Was the sender an enemy of the man's? A professional competitor?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 11:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the email sender hope the man might kill himself?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 11:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Eliot (Eliot) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 11:21 pm:

Relevant why there were two raw steaks then? yes
Did the man commit suicide to avoid legal problems? Negative publicity? no to these
Was the sender an enemy of the man's? yes A professional competitor? yes

By Sam Greene (Pandora) on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 11:24 pm:

Did the email sender hope the man might kill himself? maybe
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 12:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Whatever the sender had done; did the reciever want to do it first? Do they work in the same industry? A meat-related one?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 12:17 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

There are three pictures of the same steak - two raw, one cooked?
Does the steak look different in the two raw pictures?
Is there any significant difference between the pictures themselves? (as opposed to the steaks)
Are the two raw pictures copies of the same picture?
Do they show the steak at different times? from different angles? in different states or conditions?
Were the two raw pictures taken before the cooked picture?
Are they photographs of an actual steak?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 3:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the dead guy own a copy of "The Raw and the Cooked" on CD by the Fine Young Cannibals?

Seriously now, there were three pictures in the e-mail, right? And the same piece of steak appeared in all three? In two of the photos, the piece of steak was raw, and in one of the photos the piece of steak was cooked?

Did the dead guy (who I am sure someone will assign a name to before much longer) realize or know that all photos showed the same piece of steak, and not 3 different steaks?

Was the dead guy, at any time in his life, attempting to accomplish what had been done as shown by the photos in the e-mail?

Had the piece of steak come from a bull/steer? Fish? Wildlife/wild game? A (gulp) human? Something else?
Ixoye724 (Ixoye724)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 3:22 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Another thought: would the e-mail have had the same effect if, instead of steak, the photos had shown a pork chop? chicken breast? catfish? meat from another animal?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 7:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Eliot (Eliot) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 12:04 am:

Whatever the sender had done; did the reciever want to do it first? YES Do they work in the same industry? yes A meat-related one? yessish

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 12:17 am:

There are three pictures of the same steak - two raw, one cooked? yes
Does the steak look different in the two raw pictures? no
Is there any significant difference between the pictures themselves? no (as opposed to the steaks)
Are the two raw pictures copies of the same picture? no
Do they show the steak at different times? yesfrom different angles? no in different states or conditions? yes
Were the two raw pictures taken before the cooked picture? Yope...
Are they photographs of an actual steak? yes

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 03:21 pm:

Did the dead guy own a copy of "The Raw and the Cooked" on CD by the Fine Young Cannibals? no cannibalism involved

Seriously now, there were three pictures in the e-mail, right? yes And the same piece of steak appeared in all three? yesIn two of the photos, the piece of steak was raw, and in one of the photos the piece of steak was cooked? yes

Did the dead guy (who I am sure someone will assign a name to before much longer) realize or know that all photos showed the same piece of steak, and not 3 different steaks? YES

Was the dead guy, at any time in his life, attempting to accomplish what had been done as shown by the photos in the e-mail? YES

Had the piece of steak come from a bull/steer? this Fish? Wildlife/wild game? A (gulp) human? Something else?

By Ixoye724 (Ixoye724) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 03:22 pm:

Another thought: would the e-mail have had the same effect if, instead of steak, the photos had shown a pork chop? chicken breast? catfish? meat from another animal? YES
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 7:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What the sender had done: Did he do it directly to the steak?
If so, had it been done already in the first picture? Second? Third?
If not, had "it" been done directly to something?
Did a time lapse of a minute take place between each photo? An hour? A day? A week?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 7:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did either of one of these men work as butchers? chefs? scientists? Salesmen?
(Scarmiglione)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Eliot (Eliot) on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 07:46 pm:

What the sender had done: Did he do it directly to the steak? yes
If so, had it been done already in the first picture? Second? Third?this
If not, had "it" been done directly to something?
Did a time lapse of a minute take place between each photo?more An hour? less A day? A week?