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Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 3:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yes, Eliot is the right name. But seeing that I somehow must have missed this particular episode.... Actually, the main point of the puzzle (that Marina/Olivia was being stupid) was something I realised only after seeing the episode, so even if you had seen it, it wouldn't give everything away

Did Marina think of something stupid, which lead her to say something and do something? this - in the course of her detective work, she jumped to a conclusion that was inconsistent with the evidence. She then acted upon this conclusion. Or did Marina say something and do something, and the result of that made her think of something stupid? see above

The order in which Una did her assaults/murder relevant? it is relevant that she assaulted Stanley before she committed the murder If yes, was Stanley Una's first victim? see above

The "act" that Stanley committed: Was it something he said? Something he did? this, mostly Both? Was it a one time event? yes If yes, how long did it take? on the order of an hour or two
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 3:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bianca feel that whatever Stanley did, it contributed to Vic's untimely demise? Did Stanley's "act", in fact, contribute directly or indirectly to Vic's death?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 3:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Bianca feel that whatever Stanley did, it contributed to Vic's untimely demise? no Did Stanley's "act", in fact, contribute directly or indirectly to Vic's death? no, the act for which Bianca became upset with Stanley took place after Vic's death. However, something Stanley did did contribute to Vic's death.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 3:43 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry, but I'm slightly confused. So we have two acts by Stanley: 1) The act which made Bianca upset, and 2) The act that somehow contributed to Vic's death. Are 1) and 2) the same act? If not, is 2) even relevant to the puzzle?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 5:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sorry, but I'm slightly confused. So we have two acts by Stanley: 1) The act which made Bianca upset, and 2) The act that somehow contributed to Vic's death. Are 1) and 2) the same act? no - (2) occurred before Vic's death, and (1) occurred afterwards If not, is 2) even relevant to the puzzle? very much so
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 7:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Stanley covering up for Una? If act 2) (as described above) did not happen, would it have been possible for act 1) to occur?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2005 - 8:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Stanley covering up for Una? no If act 2) (as described above) did not happen, would it have been possible for act 1) to occur? no - at least, it would not have been possible for Stanley to have performed it
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 4:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The reason why Bianca was angry at Stanley's action, was it because it insulted her? sullied her reputation? exposed some dark secret of hers? implied that Stanley stole something from her?

Was Stanley's act dependant on Mariska's stupidity (i.e. Would Stanley have gone ahead with the act that made Bianca upset if Marina didn't do her stupid action)?

Was Stanley trying to cover up the fact that something he did earlier contributed to Vic's death? If yes, was that what Bianca was upset about?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 5:15 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The reason why Bianca was angry at Stanley's action, was it because it insulted her? thisish sullied her reputation? and thisish exposed some dark secret of hers? implied that Stanley stole something from her? but not these

Was Stanley's act dependant on Mariska's stupidity yes (i.e. Would Stanley have gone ahead with the act that made Bianca upset if Marina didn't do her stupid action)? i.e. no

Was Stanley trying to cover up the fact that something he did earlier contributed to Vic's death? no If yes, was that what Bianca was upset about?
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 3:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Maybe it's because I'm juggling too much at once, but I'm outta ideas for the moment. May we please have a recap/re-focus?

Marina's stupidity: Did her false conclusion imply something false about Bianca? Something false about Stanley? Something false about Una? Something false about male escorts in general? Something false about the escort service "industry" as a whole?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 4:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

May we please have a recap/re-focus? I'll write one when I get home from work. :)

Marina's stupidity: Did her false conclusion imply something false about Bianca? this Something false about Stanley? Something false about Una? Something false about male escorts in general? Something false about the escort service "industry" as a whole?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 10:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

******** RECAP ********

Bianca runs a male escort agency. Over the period of a couple of weeks, a series of violent crimes are committed against men who work for Bianca. First, Stanley is assaulted. Then, another escort is assaulted. Then, Vic is murdered. The guilty party in all cases is one Una, who was operating under false identities when she committed the crimes. Prior to Vic's murder, Stanley performed an act X. Had he not performed X, Vic would not have been killed. (But Stanley did not know this at the time, so he was in no way an accessory to the murder.)

Marina is the detective in charge of investigating the case. She knows about Bianca and the escort agency, but has not yet tracked down Una. In the course of her investigation, she drew a conclusion (which implied something false about Bianca) that was inconsistent with the available evidence. If she were a competent detective, she would have realised this, but since it would not have made for good TV, she didn't. Having drawn this conclusion, she persuaded Stanley to perform an act Y, which lasted on the order of an hour or two, and which required Stanley to be in Bianca's presence but not Marina's. This greatly upset and offended Bianca, to the point where she physically attacked Stanley.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 11:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Merci beaucoup for the recap. Much obliged.

Did Marina come to the erroneous conclusion that Bianca was trying to have her own male escorts assaulted? If yes, did she try to get Stanley to uncover "evidence" to support this supposition?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Marina come to the erroneous conclusion that Bianca was trying to have her own male escorts assaulted? YES!! :) If yes, did she try to get Stanley to uncover "evidence" to support this supposition? YES!!! again :) :) (She had him wear a microphone during his next dealing with Bianca. Bianca discovered the microphone, and was none too pleased.)

Now, why was this a very stupid conclusion for her to draw? (In order to answer this, you need to work out what act X was.)
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 3:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ooooo....a double YES!! I believe that's a first for me in one of your puzzles. Anyway, plodding along with some basic questions...

The act that Stanley did that contributed to Vic's death: Was it before his own assault? after his own assault? During his own assault? How long did it take to perform this act? Was something said? Some action performed?

Was Una present with Stanley during this act? Bianca? Vic? Marina? Someone else relevant?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 4:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The act that Stanley did that contributed to Vic's death: Was it before his own assault? after his own assault? this During his own assault? How long did it take to perform this act? Either about a minute or several hours, depending on what is included in "this act". Was something said? this, for about a minute Some action performed? this, for several hours

Was Una present with Stanley during this act? Bianca? Vic? Marina? Someone else relevant? Vic was present during the minute-long speaking portion. Stanley was not in the company of any of the relevant characters during the several-hour-long acting portion.
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 6:36 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Stanley speaking to Vic in person? Over the phone or cellphone? Was he talking to Vic about his assault at Una's hands? If yes, was there anything else relevant exchanged between Vic and Stanley during their one minute conversation?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was Stanley speaking to Vic in person? Over the phone or cellphone? This does not matter. Was he talking to Vic about his assault at Una's hands? no If yes, was there anything else relevant exchanged between Vic and Stanley during their one minute conversation? yes
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:40 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Stanley speak to Vic before his hours long "action"? Or was it after? Or during?

How long after Una's assault did Stanley's act (action and speaking with Vic) take place?

Did Vic already know that Stanley had been a victim of assault before the conversation with Stanley? After the conversation with Stanley?

Did Stanley ask Vic for a favour?

Alternate line of questioning: Was Stanley, Vic, and the other man assaulted/murdered while carrying out their, um, duties as male escorts?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 7:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Stanley speak to Vic before his hours long "action"? this Or was it after? Or during?

How long after Una's assault did Stanley's act (action and speaking with Vic) take place? a couple of weeks

Did Vic already know that Stanley had been a victim of assault before the conversation with Stanley? irrel After the conversation with Stanley? irrel

Did Stanley ask Vic for a favour? yesish

Alternate line of questioning: Was Stanley, Vic, and the other man assaulted/murdered while carrying out their, um, duties as male escorts? yes indeed - good question. And there need not be any "um" about it, if it makes you feel uncomfortable. :)
Haenlomal (Haenlomal)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:58 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Who, me? Uncomfortable? Nah....

Did Stanley ask Vic to take his place in his escort duties?
Johanna (Buzzard)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Stanley ask Vic to take his place in his escort duties? YES :)