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Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 7:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

In Cologne, Germany, there is an area where you can get fined for something that is regarded completely normal everywhere in the world and done by billions of people every day. What is it?

Category: Local color.
Level: Easy.
Hint: Has nothing to do with carneval.
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 7:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the title relevant? Watching TV? digging?
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 7:19 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is the title relevant? Remotely, as usually in my puzzles.
Watching TV? No.
digging? Neither.
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 7:21 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is it something usually done indoors? outdoors?
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 7:39 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the fines be high?
Is this because it's an old law that has not been changed to "modern standards"? religous reasons?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 8:02 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Taking a major stab in the dark here
Coughing? (coffin?)
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 8:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Fred
Is it something usually done indoors? outdoors? Outdoors.

Tommy
Would the fines be high? I did not attempt to find it out, yet.
Is this because it's an old law that has not been changed to "modern standards"? No, it's a rather new rule.
religous reasons? No.

Barbara
Coughing? (coffin?) No.
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 9:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If people break the rule, would something be damaged?
Is it a sensible rule? or ridiculous?
Is it a temporary measure? or will this rule likely stay in effect?
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 9:30 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eating? Drinking?

At least at the end of this puzzle Samuel Taylor Coleridge will have been proved wrong when he wrote, on leaving Cologne (a city he held in no great esteem):

As I am a rhymer,
And now at least a merry one,
Mr. Mumm's Rudesheimer
And the church of St. Geryon
Are the two things alone
That deserve to be known
In the body and soul-stinking town of Cologne.
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 9:31 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If people break the rule, would something be damaged? Not really.
Is it a sensible rule? or ridiculous? The rule as such is ok, though there might be more sensible things done instead of imposing this rule.
Is it a temporary measure? or will this rule likely stay in effect? Possibly later some measures will be taken to make this rule unnecessary, but at the moment it seems it will stay in effect for some years at least.
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 9:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Eating? Drinking? Neither.

At least at the end of this puzzle Samuel Taylor Coleridge will have been proved wrong when he wrote, on leaving Cologne (a city he held in no great esteem). He wasn't from Düsseldorf, was he?
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

It's Altbier against Kölsch...
David Burn (Woubit)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He wasn't from Düsseldorf, was he?

No, but the weightless poem above was written when he left Cologne. When he arrived, he wrote:

In Köln, a town of monks and bones,
And pavements fanged with murderous stones
And rags, and hags, and hideous wenches,
I counted two and seventy stenches,
All well defined, and several stinks!
Ye Nymphs that reign o'er sewers and sinks,
The river Rhine, it is well known,
Doth wash your city of Cologne -
But tell me, Nymphs, what power divine
Shall henceforth wash the river Rhine?


Is it possible to incur this fine without being accompanied by some other person? without the presence of some tangible object?
Lynne (Lynne)
Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2005 - 11:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Walking on the grass?
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 12:01 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tommy
It's Altbier against Kölsch... No. Though you may expect that your wish to order an Altbier in a pub in downtown Cologne will be answered with ignorance, if not other forms of public disapproval, you won't get fined for it. Yet.

Woubit
Is it possible to incur this fine without being accompanied by some other person? Yes.
without the presence of some tangible object? No, strictly speaking, some tangible object is involved.

-- thanks for contributing the necessary quantity of poetry to this puzzle. Any people from Cologne here??

Lynne
Walking on the grass? No.

And please don't miss my other puzzle. It's just one step away from being solved.
Tommy Petersson (Tommyp)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 1:26 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the rule be equally sensible (or unsensible) in e.g. Hamburg? or is there something local that makes this rule more applicable in Cologne?
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2005 - 2:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Would the rule be equally sensible (or unsensible) in e.g. Hamburg? Given the same circumstances, it would not matter whether Hamburg or Cologne or any other city.
or is there something local that makes this rule more applicable in Cologne? There is something local that makes this rule applicable here, but this something is nothing specific to Cologne. It could be in many other places in the world, but, as a matter of fact, it happens to be in Cologne.
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 12:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is this a recreational activity? (i.e. hiking?)
carmen cristoloveanu (Karmena)
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2005 - 8:41 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

outdoors - is it a garden, park (ordinary or botanical), macdrive :), zoo?
Jens Weber (Sundowner)
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 10:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dref
Is this a recreational activity? Not necessarily. (i.e. hiking?) No, nothing like this.

Karmena
outdoors - is it a garden, park (ordinary or botanical), macdrive :), zoo? Nothing like this. You may best think of this area as ordinary downtown streets/squares.
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 1:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Panhandling?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 1:54 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Some tangible object is required, strictly speaking... Is this a particular object? one of a general type?

An easily portable object?
something you could put in
your shirt pocket?
a coat pocket?
a purse?
a backpack?

A supposedly portable object that isn't really terribly portable at all? (I'm thinking of some of the bigger boom-boxes, here; you can carry them around if you really want to, but most folks wouldn't, since they weigh 10 or 15 pounds.)