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Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

He thwarted the murder attempt with one sentence.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:41 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't suppose by any chance he said "Watch out you're about to be murdered!" :)

Failing that
He = adult human male?
Murder of him? a person? more than one person?
Sentence as in speech?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:44 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I don't suppose by any chance he said "Watch out you're about to be murdered!" I have to torture you as much as possible, you know! ;)

Failing that
He = adult human male? yes
Murder of him? no a person? yes more than one person? no
Sentence as in speech? yes
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he involved in the murder?
Did he intend to thwart it?
was he the murderer?
did he know the potential victim?
How the victim was going to be murdered relevant?
Did he know the potential murderer?
was there more than one potential murderer involved?
Did he speak this sentence? write it? relevant how many words are in the sentence?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 9:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he involved in the murder? no
Did he intend to thwart it? yes
was he the murderer? no
did he know the potential victim? personally, no
How the victim was going to be murdered relevant? yes
Did he know the potential murderer? yes
was there more than one potential murderer involved? no
Did he speak this sentence? this write it? relevant how many words are in the sentence? no
Eliot (Eliot)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:05 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the potential victim famous? Relevant where he/she was? Were pot-victim, pot-murderer, adn sentence-sayer in the same place? (these people need names :D)
Did the speaker try to veil his warning? Once he spoke, did the victim know he/she was about to be killed?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 - 10:47 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the potential victim famous? yes Relevant where he/she was? yes Were pot-victim, pot-murderer, adn sentence-sayer in the same place? (these people need names :D) No, and as for names...any volunteers?
Did the speaker try to veil his warning? FA Once he spoke, did the victim know he/she was about to be killed? FA
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 12:29 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FA - that the sentence was a warning? Was it a question? An answer to a question? A statement of fact? Conjecture? Opinion? A demand?

Other FA - that the victim was going to die directly after the words? How long was there between the sentence and the planned-death - nanoseconds? seconds? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? years?

Is a conspiracy involved?

Is a major event relevant? (Maybe the sentence-sayer had had a premonition about the event, and warned someone off being in the proximity?)
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 3:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FA - that the sentence was a warning? yes, that was the FA Was it a question? An answer to a question? A statement of fact? Conjecture? Opinion? this is closest A demand?

Other FA - that the victim was going to die directly after the words? Correct How long was there between the sentence and the planned-death - nanoseconds? seconds? minutes? hours? days? weeks? months? years? Hmmm...I'd say between days and weeks, but not quite a month

Is a conspiracy involved? no

Is a major event relevant? (Maybe the sentence-sayer had had a premonition about the event, and warned someone off being in the proximity?) no
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:08 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant who this famous person was? Was the sentence spoken face-to-face? via telephone?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 11:15 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the sentence spoken to the potential victim? to the potential murderer? to him/herself? to someone else?
Are the sentence speaker, potential victim and potential murderer three different people?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:27 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Relevant who this famous person was? yes, but really only for era dating purposes Was the sentence spoken face-to-face? yes via telephone? no

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 11:15 am:

Was the sentence spoken to the potential victim? to the potential murderer? this to him/herself? to someone else?
Are the sentence speaker, potential victim and potential murderer three different people? yes
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 8:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Century relevant? 14th 15th 16th 17th 18th 19th 20th 21st? before 13th C?

Was the pot. victim going to be hung? shot? stabbed? burnt at stake? stranggled? stoned?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 10:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Century relevant? yes 14th 15th 16th 17th 18th this 19th 20th 21st? before 13th C?

Was the pot. victim going to be hung? shot? stabbed? burnt at stake? stranggled? stoned? none of these
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 10:23 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the pot.victim have a relevant occupation?
Is the century relevant because of how he would have died? where he would have died?
Was the sentence in form of a statement? a quetion?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 10:50 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the murder actually attempted after the sentence was spoken?
Was it thwarted because the murderer had been talked out of it? lost his/her motive? means? alibi?
or did s/he have a mistaken belief? if so, regarding the potential victim's identity? their schedule? when they would be at a certain place? where they would be at a certain time?
Thwarted: nobody was murdered? or the wrong person was murdered?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 4:10 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the pot.victim have a relevant occupation? no
Is the century relevant because of how he would have died? noish where he would have died? no
Was the sentence in form of a statement? yes a question?

By John Morahan (Wunderland) on Thursday, March 17, 2005 - 10:50 pm:

Was the murder actually attempted after the sentence was spoken? yes
Was it thwarted because the murderer had been talked out of it? lost his/her motive? means? alibi? none of these
or did s/he have a mistaken belief? yes if so, regarding the potential victim's identity? their schedule? when they would be at a certain place? where they would be at a certain time? sorry, none of these
Thwarted: nobody was murdered? this or the wrong person was murdered?
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 3:25 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the sentence a statement of "fact" which happened to be false? Did the pot.murderer believe it? Did the speaker believe it?
Was the pot.murderer trying to poison someone? with a substance they were told was poisonous, but which actually wasn't?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Friday, March 18, 2005 - 7:38 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the sentence a statement of "fact" which happened to be false? no Did the pot.murderer believe it? Did the speaker believe it?
Was the pot.murderer trying to poison someone? yes with a substance they were told was poisonous, but which actually wasn't? yope to noish, but OTRT
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 2:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the poison intended to kill the victim directly?
Did the pot.murderer have a mistaken belief about the effectiveness of the poison? or did s/he mix up two phials or something like that?
Did s/he put the poison in something? food? drink? medicine? something to be consumed? or was it injected? otherwise inserted into the body?

or... did the pot.murderer think the speaker would deliver the poison? or otherwise participate in the murder?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 5:40 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the poison intended to kill the victim directly? yes
Did the pot.murderer have a mistaken belief about the effectiveness of the poison? yes or did s/he mix up two phials or something like that? no
Did s/he put the poison in something? food? this drink? medicine? something to be consumed? or was it injected? otherwise inserted into the body?

or... did the pot.murderer think the speaker would deliver the poison? no or otherwise participate in the murder? yes, he wrongly thought the speaker was sympathetic to his aims
John Morahan (Wunderland)
Posted on Saturday, March 19, 2005 - 12:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was the sentence true? false? misleading? did it have a double meaning? did the pot.murderer misunderstand it? did it mention poison?

Did the speaker commit to doing something? such as making the poison? or making it stronger? and thwarted the murder attempt by not doing it?

Or did he give the pot.murderer some bad advice? if so, regarding the effectiveness of the poison? how much would be needed? how it should be prepared? delivered?

The pot.murderer's mistaken belief was a result of hearing the sentence, right? directly?