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Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:27 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

A man lies dead on the ground. Bits of wood surround the body. The man who killed him died many years ago.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:37 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bits of wood: the fragments of a wooden coffin?

Did the man lying dead on the ground also die many years ago?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:39 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Bits of wood: the fragments of a wooden coffin? no

Did the man lying dead on the ground also die many years ago? no
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:46 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

a dead man killed him?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:53 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ok, I just thought I'd ask

Bits of wood:
pieces of a tree? or tree branches?
of boards?
of sheet lumber?
firewood?

DeadGuy:
freshly dead?
in the last few minutes?
hours?

Not so fresh?
a few days?
a week?
more than a week?

Apparent cause of death:

Something bloody?
stabbing?
bludgeoning?
gunshot?

Not bloody?
trampled to death by a herd of golden retriever puppies who only wanted to play?
suffocated?
poisoned?
garrotted?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:59 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

a dead man killed him? yessish

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 12:53 am:

Ok, I just thought I'd ask Always a good thing! ;)

Bits of wood:
pieces of a tree? yes or tree branches? that too
of boards?
of sheet lumber?
firewood?

DeadGuy:
freshly dead? yes
in the last few minutes? yes
hours?

Not so fresh?
a few days?
a week?
more than a week?

Apparent cause of death:

Something bloody? yes
stabbing?
bludgeoning?
gunshot? this

Not bloody?
trampled to death by a herd of golden retriever puppies who only wanted to play?
suffocated?
poisoned?
garrotted?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 1:05 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Any sort of "security system" relevant?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 1:57 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

no
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 9:45 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the dead man intend to kill him?
relevant?

Is the corpse/remains of the dead man relevant?
Was he shot with the dead mans gun?
Was there a booby trap?

Had something fallen from a tree?
The man (freshly dead) might be called Marmaduke okay?
Did the gun belong to Marmaduke?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 10:28 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Marmaduke know the long-dead man (to be further referred to as LDM)? Did LDM? Was Marmaduke alive when LDM died? Did LDM 'plant' the gun there? intending someone (maybe not necessarily Marmaduke) to die?

Did LDM kill him by action (e.g. planting the gun)? or by inaction (e.g. not removing the gun when he knew it would kill Marmaduke)?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 11:48 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did the dead man intend to kill him? yes
relevant? yes

Is the corpse/remains of the dead man relevant? no
Was he shot with the dead mans gun? no
Was there a booby trap? no

Had something fallen from a tree? no
The man (freshly dead) might be called Marmaduke okay? Okey doke.
Did the gun belong to Marmaduke? no

By Ed Mason (Logician) on Saturday, March 26, 2005 - 10:28 pm:

Did Marmaduke know the long-dead man (to be further referred to as LDM)? yes Did LDM? yes, he knew himself ;) and he knew Marmaduke too Was Marmaduke alive when LDM died? yes Did LDM 'plant' the gun there? no intending someone (maybe not necessarily Marmaduke) to die? no

Did LDM kill him by action (e.g. planting the gun)? more this, but even this is a yope} or by inaction (e.g. not removing the gun when he knew it would kill Marmaduke)?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 12:01 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDm plan the murder to take place after his death?

Or did he plan to commit it when he was still alive?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 12:04 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDm plan the murder to take place after his death?

Or did he plan to commit it when he was still alive? This
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 12:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was LDM laying in wait for Marmaduke?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 12:55 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was LDM actually dead? or was he presumed dead but not really dead?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 2:22 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was LDM laying in wait for Marmaduke? no

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab) on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 12:55 am:

Was LDM actually dead? he was very dead, stone dead, an ex-man, he had gone to meet his maker, he joined the choir invisible, he...ahem, sorry or was he presumed dead but not really dead?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 3:07 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You mean he wasn't just pining for the fijords? Ok, then.

Had Marmaduke shot himself? Because of something LDM had done? had deliberately left undone?

Had someone else (not Marm himself, and not LDM) shot Marmaduke because of something LDM had done? Had deliberately not done?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 3:09 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You mean he wasn't just pining for the fijords? Ok, then. He was also not resting! :)

Had Marmaduke shot himself? no Because of something LDM had done? had deliberately left undone?

Had someone else (not Marm himself, and not LDM) shot Marmaduke because of something LDM had done? no Had deliberately not done?
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDM somehow miss his target when alive? and the task was completed accidentally after his death?

Chainsaw relevant?
Simon Downham (Beroean)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 11:11 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is there anything supernatural here?
Is time travel relevant?
Is the type of gun relevant?
Is there anybody visible (apart from the corpse) at the scene of the crime?
Is it worth exploring anything about LDM?
e.g. His motive / his whereabouts?
Ed Mason (Logician)
Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 11:46 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did Marmaduke kill LDM?
Fred Z (Dref)
Posted on Monday, March 28, 2005 - 12:25 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did LDM somehow miss his target when alive? yes and the task was completed accidentally after his death? yes

Chainsaw relevant? no

By Simon Downham (Beroean) on Sunday, March 27, 2005 - 11:11 pm:

Is there anything supernatural here? Possibly, but could mislead
Is time travel relevant? no
Is the type of gun relevant? no
Is there anybody visible (apart from the corpse) at the scene of the crime? no
Is it worth exploring anything about LDM? yes
e.g. His motive / his whereabouts? but not those two items

By Ed Mason (Logician) on Sunday, March 27, 2005 -11:46 pm:

Did Marmaduke kill LDM? no