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(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 9:35 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Joe did his work in triplicate, though he knew that two of the three things he produced would be discarded without being used.

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Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 11:08 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was it easier for him to do the work in triplicate than it would have been to make only the one item that would be used?

Was it regulations that he had to do it in triplicate?

"Did it in triplicate": made three identical somethings at the same time? did something three times in a row?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 1:11 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab):

Was it easier for him to do the work in triplicate than it would have been to make only the one item that would be used? No, in fact it was three times the work.

Was it regulations that he had to do it in triplicate? No.

"Did it in triplicate": made three identical somethings at the same time? did something three times in a row? Made three somethings, one after the other.
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 4:30 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is "used" used in the traditional sense where it fulfills it's original purpose, or could these other two be on display without being "used" as such and still fill the original criteria?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 2:00 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Benjamin Moore (Zenith):

Is "used" used in the traditional sense where it fulfills it's original purpose, Yes
or could these other two be on display without being "used" as such and still fill the original criteria?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 2:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were the discarded items faulty ?
were they being produced by a machine ?
was the machine faulty ?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 3:24 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Kapil Kapur (Dinkie):

were the discarded items faulty ? Not in the least. They're quite nice, in fact.
were they being produced by a machine ? No.
was the machine faulty ?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 4:32 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were they made of :-

paper
glass
stone
wood
metal
wax
water
Alizon (Alizon)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 6:53 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Were they alive?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 7:59 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

They weren't faulty, but was he dissatified with them for some reason? was someone else dissatified with them?

Did he need to make three?

Did he make three of them because someone else was going to have to pick one at random and use it, with the other two then being discarded?

Are there any other relevant people involved? any other relevant things?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 8:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Kapil Kapur (Dinkie):

were they made of :-

paper
glass
stone
wood
metal
wax
water None of these (primarily).

By Alizon (Alizon):

Were they alive? No, but interesting idea.

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab):

They weren't faulty, but was he dissatified with them for some reason? No
was someone else dissatified with them? Noish.

Did he need to make three? Yes

Did he make three of them because someone else was going to have to pick one at random and use it, with the other two then being discarded? No, but not entirely off-target.

Are there any other relevant people involved? any other relevant things? The end-user(s) of the product are the only other(s) really involved.
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 8:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Is Joe's profession relevant? a hobby?
His age? Were these things made of fabric? wool? plastic?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 8:49 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Sam Greene (Pandora):

Is Joe's profession relevant? Absolutely.
a hobby?
His age? Neither of these.
Were these things made of fabric? This.
wool? plastic?
Sam Greene (Pandora)
Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 9:20 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he making clothes? shoes? some type of accessory?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 1:32 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Sam Greene (Pandora):

Was he making clothes? Yes
shoes? some type of accessory?
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 4:24 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did he need to make three to cover a range of possible sizes? (frex, not knowing which model would be showing the item, he needed to make three different lengths?)
Did the three differ at all, or were they in fact completely identical?

If they did differ, was the difference in overall size (one was a size 4, one a 6, and one a 12, e.g.)? size in one specific dimension (sleeve length, leg length, width across shoulders, bust size, etc.)? color? shape? length? fabric? trim? detail (topstitching vs. none; snaps vs. buttons vs. velcro)?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 1:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab):

Did he need to make three to cover a range of possible sizes? (frex, not knowing which model would be showing the item, he needed to make three different lengths?) YES - good question. Except if it were for models, he could simply ask who would wear the clothes. However...
Did the three differ at all, or were they in fact completely identical?

If they did differ, was the difference in overall size (one was a size 4, one a 6, and one a 12, e.g.)? size in one specific dimension (sleeve length, leg length, width across shoulders, bust size, etc.)? Yes - size, in all dimensions I'd imagine.
color? shape? length? fabric? trim? detail (topstitching vs. none; snaps vs. buttons vs. velcro)? No to the rest - other than size, they are identical.
tricia harvey (Trixie)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 2:06 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was he making the clothes for just one person? Did he need to make three because this person was changing shape - e.g. through rapid weight loss or gain - and he didn't know what size would fit?
Benjamin Moore (Zenith)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 2:33 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Was these clothes made to a particular design, that'd be attached to the sale of the item - i.e you buy the clothes, you get the design, and no-one else could buy a copy, because now you OWN it: one of a kind.

Though this item is to be sold, it's not tailor made to anyone in particular, it's to be sold a member of the general public (who can afford it) through a designer clothes outlet, hence needing to be produced in multiple sizes?
Kapil Kapur (Dinkie)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 2:51 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

were all three bought by the same person ?
Can we call this person Sam
Did Sam throw away the garments ?
(Stuccosalt)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 4:07 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

By tricia harvey (Trixie):

Was he making the clothes for just one person? Yes
Did he need to make three because this person was changing shape - e.g. through rapid weight loss or gain - and he didn't know what size would fit? No

By Benjamin Moore (Zenith):

Was these clothes made to a particular design, that'd be attached to the sale of the item - i.e you buy the clothes, you get the design, and no-one else could buy a copy, because now you OWN it: one of a kind. No, though the design is fairly relevant.

Though this item is to be sold, it's not tailor made to anyone in particular, it's to be sold a member of the general public (who can afford it) through a designer clothes outlet, hence needing to be produced in multiple sizes? No

By Kapil Kapur (Dinkie):

were all three bought by the same person ? Yope
Can we call this person Sam ?
Did Sam throw away the garments ? One was used, the other two will not be.
Barbara Johannessen Bailey (Rabrab)
Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 9:42 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Yope on "Bought by the same person", hmm? Were they not bought by a single person? was it a company? a group of people?

Did Joe know who would be wearing the garment at the time that he made them?

Did Joe know which garment would be used when he was making them?

Were the three garments ordered in different sizes to keep Joe from knowing who would actually wear one? To maintain secrecy?

The design: is it a special-purpose garment?
a wedding dress? a costume for a TV show, movie or play?